Hey Dem, what say you after today's disgraceful display

[roswelllion]

Dem,
You are a man a passion and would never knowingly roll over like the A9 did today. Why did they let themselves get bitch slapped like that? Can you comment freely?

 

[demlion]

Dem,
You are a man a passion and would never knowingly roll over like the A9 did today. Why did they let themselves get bitch slapped like that? Can you comment freely?

I can comment freely, but I don't know anything. Been ib Canada all week. Fried my laptop Monday, basically blinding myself using this phone. Have not spoken to Anthony, but I would counsel patience. He will speak when he can, and in the important stuff he will always be with us.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

I can comment freely, but I don't know anything. Been ib Canada all week. Fried my laptop Monday, basically blinding myself using this phone. Have not spoken to Anthony, but I would counsel patience. He will speak when he can, and in the important stuff he will always be with us.

My guess is Anthony wanted to do the right thing - and I do have some empathy for him, and respect for past actions - - - but - for whatever reasons - he allowed himself to be part of this .........and it is an INEXCUSABLE failure and betrayal

It is what it is

Btw Dem - thanks for taking the time to chime in with your thoughts. Truly

 

[roswelllion]

I can comment freely, but I don't know anything. Been ib Canada all week. Fried my laptop Monday, basically blinding myself using this phone. Have not spoken to Anthony, but I would counsel patience. He will speak when he can, and in the important stuff he will always be with us.

Thanks for responding. Didn't mean to interrupt vacation. Go catch some dinner.

 

[fairgambit]

I can comment freely, but I don't know anything. Been ib Canada all week. Fried my laptop Monday, basically blinding myself using this phone. Have not spoken to Anthony, but I would counsel patience. He will speak when he can, and in the important stuff he will always be with us.

Patience is indeed the key. Mr. Lubrano has earned the benefit of the doubt. I am not going to condemn his actions until I hear his reasons for taking them.

 

[richie83]

Dem can you at least say when the review will be complete

 

[wensilver]

In my dreams - Ira Lubert calls for a press conference and invites the national media. At this press conference he clearly states the following:

1. He REFUTES the Freeh Report and tells the nation that it's not worth the paper it's written on and that the Board will be asking for a REFUND.

2. He submits an APOLOGY to Sue Paterno and her family for the disgusting, despicable way the denizens in Old Main and on the Board have treated Joe. He BEGS for her forgiveness.

3. He demands an APOLOGY from the national sports media for using the Paterno name to flame and defame - all done for cheap web hits, clicks and ad dollars.

4. He demands a FULL INVESTIGATION into Second Mile & Centre County CYS for employing and empowering a preferential child sexual offender and ascribing to a Code of Silence these past 4 plus years - letting this all burn on Penn State's doorstep.

5. He APOLOGIZES to Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley & Gary Schultz on behalf of the university (a la the Freeh Farce) for allowing them to be found guilty in the Court of Public Opinion and asks that the Office of Attorney General DROP the remaining bogus charges.

6. He calls for the RESTORATION of the Players Wall and offers an APOLOGY to all those Lettermen who happen to be fathers, grandfathers, uncles, sons and brothers, for the torching of their legacy.

Did I forget anything?

 

[Fayette_LION]

Patience is indeed the key. Mr. Lubrano has earned the benefit of the doubt. I am not going to condemn his actions until I hear his reasons for taking them.

Better to fight a battle you can win than to fight and be slaughtered.Anthony has the knowledge and experience to know when to make hay and when to lay back. I trust he knows what he is doing.

 

[fairgambit]

Better to fight a battle you can win than to fight and be slaughtered.Anthony has the knowledge and experience to know when to make hay and when to lay back. I trust he knows what he is doing.

Exactly right.

 

[LeatherHelmets]

I am seriously questioning Lobrano. Similar to my disappointment from James Comey. Did they lose their resolve OR did were they given no other options.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

As REPRESENTATIVES of US......after campaigning, and asking US to entrust them with those seats:

EVERY MEMBER of the Alumni Elected Trustees expressed a vote in favor of electing IRA LUBERT to the Board Chair.

Not run against him.......
Not vociferously "oppose"....
Not "oppose quietly".....
Not even an Adam Talieferro "abstention"......
Not even a whispered "Aye"

VOTED FOR IRA LUBERT......after singing praises to him.

Acting on OUR authorization.

Just let that sink in for a moment.............

How much more "not right" can you get?

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Better to fight a battle you can win than to fight and be slaughtered.Anthony has the knowledge and experience to know when to make hay and when to lay back. I trust he knows what he is doing.

Ridiculous premise

 

[Bobpsu]

Dem,
You are a man a passion and would never knowingly roll over like the A9 did today. Why did they let themselves get bitch slapped like that? Can you comment freely?

Been said before....it's over
Moving on!

 

[bdgan]

In my dreams - Ira Lubert calls for a press conference and invites the national media. At this press conference he clearly states the following:

1. He refutes the Freeh Report and tells the nation that it's not worth the paper it's written on and that the Board will be asking for a refund.

2. He submits an APOLOGY to Sue Paterno and her family for the disgusting, despicable way the denizens in Old Main and on the Board have treated Joe. He begs for her forgiveness.

3. He demands an APOLOGY from the national sports media for using the Paterno name to flame and defame - all done for cheap web hits, clicks and ad dollars.

4. He demands a FULL INVESTIGATION into Second Mile & Centre County CYS for employing and empowering a preferential child sexual offender and ascribing to a Code of Silence these past 4 plus years - letting this all burn on Penn State's doorstep.

5. He apologizes to Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley & Gary Schultz for the university (a la the Freeh Farce) to be found guilty in the Court of Public Opinion and asks that the Office of Attorney General drop the remaining bogus charges.

6. He calls for the restoration of the Players Wall and offers an APOLOGY to all those men who happen to be fathers, grandfathers, uncles, sons and brothers, for the torching of their legacy.

Did I forget anything?

Yes. You forgot that your dream was pure fantasy. There's not a snowball's chance that Lubert would do any of those things.

 

[PSUEngineerx2]

Stink...this is how I feel right now re 34-0 vote.

 

[lionlurker]

Maybe this is where we want Lubert: front and center, the spokesperson for the BOT, once the shit hits the fan. He won't be able to run if that day comes.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

I can comment freely, but I don't know anything. Been ib Canada all week. Fried my laptop Monday, basically blinding myself using this phone. Have not spoken to Anthony, but I would counsel patience. He will speak when he can, and in the important stuff he will always be with us.

Spitballs Dem. Every last one of them is fighting with SPITBALLS. Meanwhile the OGBOT has AK's

 

[StinkStankStunk]

I am seriously questioning Lobrano. Similar to my disappointment from James Comey. Did they lose their resolve OR did were they given no other options.

As REPRESENTATIVES of US......after campaigning, and asking US to entrust them with those seats:

EVERY MEMBER of the Alumni Elected Trustees expressed a vote in favor of electing IRA LUBERT to the Board Chair.

Not run against him.......
Not vociferously "oppose"....
Not "oppose quietly".....
Not even an Adam Talieferro "abstention"......
Not even a whispered "Aye"

VOTED FOR IRA LUBERT......after singing praises to him.

Acting on OUR authorization.

Just let that sink in for a moment.............

How much more "not right" can you get?

 

[nits74]

Maybe this is where we want Lubert: front and center, the spokesperson for the BOT, once the shit hits the fan. He won't be able to run if that day comes.

If this is all we have to hang our hats on, we're truly down to grasping at straws. When we see a 34-0 vote complete with compliments directed Lubert's way by the alumni trustee side, I think the writing is clearly on the wall. For those calling for patience, I have to ask what that has achieved to date. It's time to move on. Not move on with, but move on out of here. No way to spin this one.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

If this is all we have to hang our hats on, we're truly down to grasping at straws. When we see a 34-0 vote complete with compliments directed Lubert's way by the alumni trustee side, I think the writing is clearly on the wall. For those calling for patience, I have to ask what that has achieved to date. It's time to move on. Not move on with, but move on out of here. No way to spin this one.

The possibility of achieving responsible stewardship and governance from the existing cast of characters is, indeed, deader than roadkill




Questions remain as to whether or not this avenue (the elected seats on the BOT) CAN be made into a viable weapon - with different participants......

or

Is it time to abandon all hope for this avenue entirely, and focus on other venues (legislative, etc) through which to affect change.

(or, of course, to simply abandon ship.....which is, of course, a terrible option - but one that a lot of folks might justifiably take)

 

[Bobpsu]

Maybe this is where we want Lubert: front and center, the spokesperson for the BOT, once the shit hits the fan. He won't be able to run if that day comes.

The A9 is way overrated

 

[roswelllion]

Better to fight a battle you can win than to fight and be slaughtered.Anthony has the knowledge and experience to know when to make hay and when to lay back. I trust he knows what he is doing.

Well with the vote 25-9 what can they win. Nothing. Listen I am so desperate for good news I am sure AL will say something in the next few days meant to reassure us progress is being made. I will probably swallow it hook line and sinker, but in reality someone remind me what the A9 have accomplished in the past 5 years? Access to documents? So what what did they do with them. At some point win lose or draw make a principled vote.

 

[Agoodnap]

Well with the vote 25-9 what can they win. Nothing. Listen I am so desperate for good news I am sure AL will say something in the next few days meant to reassure us progress is being made. I will probably swallow it hook line and sinker, but in reality someone remind me what the A9 have accomplished in the past 5 years? Access to documents? So what what did they do with them. At some point win lose or draw make a principled vote.

They just got the documents douche bag. There are a lot of documents and they need to study the documents and most likely request many more in order to put any clarity to the situation.

Now, you may have asked why they blatantly supported the criminals? This was clearly within scope and is inexcusable from every angle I can see. I pray for more angles...

 

[Western PA]

Lubrano spent time on this board in recent weeks laying out cases for Ira's conflict of interest and breach of fudiciary responsibility.
He set up the anticipation that finally somebody on the BOT was going to publicly question the malfeasance of another trustee and demand accountability and transparency.
Alas. Ira says a few magic words in a closed to the public session and Anthony and the Alumni9 roll just as they did on the NCAA settlement.
It has been 4 1/2 years and the Alumni9 (with mainly Lubrano as the public voice) has been all bark on the message board and no bite on the Trustee board.
Four and a half years and little, if any progress, has been made toward publicly revealing the truth or reforming the BOT's lack of transparency.
Four and a half years. The public at large has cemented their view and assigned blame for all of Sandusky to Penn State and Penn Staters.
Four and a half years of patience has produced nothing to change the narrative or the direction of the board.
Produced nothing. Kinda like the Alumni9.

 

[91Joe95]

Why didn't they nominate someone against Lubert? How can you campaign and ask for change when you don't offer an alternative?

 

[Victor E. Bell]

I only wish I had a seat at the table or was connected. But I trust the people who are connected to do the right thing. We are!!!

 

[StinkStankStunk]

I only wish I had a seat at the table or was connected. But I trust the people who are connected to do the right thing. We are!!!

God bless ya'.....and no offense intended (and I hope none taken)....but that is an attitude that is at least partially responsible for what happened today.

We most certainly do not have the people in those seats that we need to have there.....as has been proven time and again (if we still need further proof of that - after today - there is no hope).
And some of those folks NEVER should have been placed there....and others for damn sure NEVER should have been re-elected after we got a first look.

That doesn't even have to mean we have NONE of the right people, or even necessarily that some of the people are "bad" or "evil" (though there are certainly a few I wouldn't trust)......
But what even a deaf, dumb, and blind man should now realize is that we - no way in hell - have the right group of folks in place for the challenge we have in front of us......
and we are not even close.

Of course, that is the easy part of the riddle....the tougher part is "Where do we find the right people to identify, promote, and elect".......I so wish I had that answer

 

[psu00]

Well with the vote 25-9 what can they win. Nothing. Listen I am so desperate for good news I am sure AL will say something in the next few days meant to reassure us progress is being made. I will probably swallow it hook line and sinker, but in reality someone remind me what the A9 have accomplished in the past 5 years? Access to documents? So what what did they do with them. At some point win lose or draw make a principled vote.

This. Just now hearing this news. If true, and the A9 voted for Lubert then I want to hear a hell of an explanation as to why they did this. Voted for him and then praised him publicly? Holy God. I think I'm now close to officially done with this mess. I understand the A9 aren't going to win these big votes against the old guard but is it asking too much to show some opposition?

EDIT- I know the A9 have enough trouble getting any media to listen and actually look into their concerns but how does action like this today do anything but shoot themselves in the foot? Nothing like complaining how incompetent and ridiculous Erickson was during the crisis..........and then all go on the record to vote him honors and name a building after him. Spend all this time talking about lack of fiduciary responsibility and how bad Lubert is.......then unanimously vote for him as BoT chair and praise him in the press? Is there any wonder why no one in the media takes the A9 concerns or point of view seriously?

 

[wensilver]

 

[Victor E. Bell]

God bless ya'.....and no offense intended (and I hope none taken)....but that is an attitude that is at least partially responsible for what happened today.

No, I take no offense, I posted that with tongue planted firmly in cheek. There's no trust there, I expect them to do the exact opposite of anything rational or forthright.

 

[joeparules]

Maybe this is where we want Lubert: front and center, the spokesperson for the BOT, once the shit hits the fan. He won't be able to run if that day comes.

Alas, this isn't a movie where you know the bad guys will get theirs in the end. I've been waiting for over four years for the "shit to hit the fan" and discovery of the "smoking gun" that will prove to the world JVP and PSU did nothing wrong. I am now coming to the realization that this has as much of a chance as ALL of Wendy's dream items coming to fruition!

In real life, sometimes the bad guys win.

 

[NittPicker]

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"Leadership - Only true leadership leads to real change." Can anyone tell me what has really changed since November 2011??

 

[StinkStankStunk]

I have been thinking the same thing. Keep him in front of you at all times. That goes for Dambly and Silvis too.

I understand people being desperate to find something "good"........but that's one of the GD dumbest, most desperate, hypotheses in the history of forever

 

[Achowalogan]

In my dreams - Ira Lubert calls for a press conference and invites the national media. At this press conference he clearly states the following:

1. He REFUTES the Freeh Report and tells the nation that it's not worth the paper it's written on and that the Board will be asking for a REFUND.

2. He submits an APOLOGY to Sue Paterno and her family for the disgusting, despicable way the denizens in Old Main and on the Board have treated Joe. He BEGS for her forgiveness.

3. He demands an APOLOGY from the national sports media for using the Paterno name to flame and defame - all done for cheap web hits, clicks and ad dollars.

4. He demands a FULL INVESTIGATION into Second Mile & Centre County CYS for employing and empowering a preferential child sexual offender and ascribing to a Code of Silence these past 4 plus years - letting this all burn on Penn State's doorstep.

5. He APOLOGIZES to Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley & Gary Schultz on behalf of the university (a la the Freeh Farce) for allowing them to be found guilty in the Court of Public Opinion and asks that the Office of Attorney General DROP the remaining bogus charges.

6. He calls for the RESTORATION of the Players Wall and offers an APOLOGY to all those Lettermen who happen to be fathers, grandfathers, uncles, sons and brothers, for the torching of their legacy.

Did I forget anything?

Add:

7. He successfully leads a campaign to COLLECT for our university 100's of millions of dollars from Surma, Peetz, Erickson, Frazier, Masser, Corbett, and all the other old guard cronies,

8. He calls all the media trucks to University Park to air the removal of Erickson's name from OUR creamery.

 

[Corabi94]

In my dreams - Ira Lubert calls for a press conference and invites the national media. At this press conference he clearly states the following:

1. He REFUTES the Freeh Report and tells the nation that it's not worth the paper it's written on and that the Board will be asking for a REFUND.

2. He submits an APOLOGY to Sue Paterno and her family for the disgusting, despicable way the denizens in Old Main and on the Board have treated Joe. He BEGS for her forgiveness.

3. He demands an APOLOGY from the national sports media for using the Paterno name to flame and defame - all done for cheap web hits, clicks and ad dollars.

4. He demands a FULL INVESTIGATION into Second Mile & Centre County CYS for employing and empowering a preferential child sexual offender and ascribing to a Code of Silence these past 4 plus years - letting this all burn on Penn State's doorstep.

5. He APOLOGIZES to Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley & Gary Schultz on behalf of the university (a la the Freeh Farce) for allowing them to be found guilty in the Court of Public Opinion and asks that the Office of Attorney General DROP the remaining bogus charges.

6. He calls for the RESTORATION of the Players Wall and offers an APOLOGY to all those Lettermen who happen to be fathers, grandfathers, uncles, sons and brothers, for the torching of their legacy.

Did I forget anything?

This seems like the PS4RS agenda.

 

[wensilver]

 

[step.eng69]

In my dreams - Ira Lubert calls for a press conference and invites the national media. At this press conference he clearly states the following:

1. He REFUTES the Freeh Report and tells the nation that it's not worth the paper it's written on and that the Board will be asking for a REFUND.

2. He submits an APOLOGY to Sue Paterno and her family for the disgusting, despicable way the denizens in Old Main and on the Board have treated Joe. He BEGS for her forgiveness.

3. He demands an APOLOGY from the national sports media for using the Paterno name to flame and defame - all done for cheap web hits, clicks and ad dollars.

4. He demands a FULL INVESTIGATION into Second Mile & Centre County CYS for employing and empowering a preferential child sexual offender and ascribing to a Code of Silence these past 4 plus years - letting this all burn on Penn State's doorstep.

5. He APOLOGIZES to Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley & Gary Schultz on behalf of the university (a la the Freeh Farce) for allowing them to be found guilty in the Court of Public Opinion and asks that the Office of Attorney General DROP the remaining bogus charges.

6. He calls for the RESTORATION of the Players Wall and offers an APOLOGY to all those Lettermen who happen to be fathers, grandfathers, uncles, sons and brothers, for the torching of their legacy.

Did I forget anything?

The irony of your list Wendy.....these are very, very simple issues to accomplish.

The entire bucket list can be accomplished by Lubert in a 30 minute public addressment to Sue and family and the university alumni.

 

[fairgambit]

If this is all we have to hang our hats on, we're truly down to grasping at straws. When we see a 34-0 vote complete with compliments directed Lubert's way by the alumni trustee side, I think the writing is clearly on the wall. For those calling for patience, I have to ask what that has achieved to date. It's time to move on. Not move on with, but move on out of here. No way to spin this one.

As it applies to Mr. Lubrano, I am not suggesting that he be given a lifetime pass, but I do believe we should hear the reasons for his actions directly from him. If an explanation is not forthcoming, or is unsatisfactory, I may change my opinion of the man, but given his track record, I think there is more here than meets the eye. We shall see.

 

[coveydidnt]

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Delusional onevery point

 

[AWS1022]

This. Just now hearing this news. If true, and the A9 voted for Lubert then I want to hear a hell of an explanation as to why they did this. Voted for him and then praised him publicly? Holy God. I think I'm now close to officially done with this mess. I understand the A9 aren't going to win these big votes against the old guard but is it asking too much to show some opposition?

EDIT- I know the A9 have enough trouble getting any media to listen and actually look into their concerns but how does action like this today do anything but shoot themselves in the foot? Nothing like complaining how incompetent and ridiculous Erickson was during the crisis..........and then all go on the record to vote him honors and name a building after him. Spend all this time talking about lack of fiduciary responsibility and how bad Lubert is.......then unanimously vote for him as BoT chair and praise him in the press? Is there any wonder why no one in the media takes the A9 concerns or point of view seriously?

This^^^ They have officially thrown away any ability to complain and be heard about all that's been done in the past four and a half years. Each of their votes is about a lot more than just electing a chairman...it shows the media and the public who you think is the right choice. It's not about trying to beat them, it's about appearance and image and the A9 just gave away their right to make anyone hear what's really going on.