I am not sure which thread had discussion about top stalling and double boots. But interestingly enough Drew got 4 near fall points from double boots Friday night before he took out the boots and switched to the half nelson for the pin.
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What did he turn him with - a 1/2 or 3/4 Nelson, power 1/2??? My problem with many (most really) that use a double-legs ride is that they use it to flatten the bottom wrestler with no intention of attempting a a turn and never, in fact, attempt a turn.... they merely put outward pressure on the bottom wrestler's legs and downward pressure on bottom wrestler's mid- & upper-back.... and just lay on the bottom wrestler in this position with no attempt to turn them. Classic riding for no other reason than to collect riding time while never attempting to turn. It is stalling as defined in rulebook - it certainly isn't stalling on bottom wrestler who is completely immobilized including the top wrestler barring their arms in some manner.
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First of all I totally agree, many top wrestlers just put in double boots and do nothing, I was just showing that it doesnt have to be that way.
Secondly, I am not that good with moves, plus he is facing away from the camera and his body blocks a bit, but he turns him twice, first it is maybe a one count so of course no points, secondly he gets two swipes, the MD guys gets back some, then goes over again for the four count, though the ref stops swipes and instead is looking for pin. It seems like he starts with a half and ends up getting the guys arm trapped behind his body at the end.
Someone with more technical knowledge watch and give the official breakdown.
3/4 Nelson is a half with one arm and wrestler would reach under same armpit and connect up with half on opposite side of neck. Did he reach under same armpit that he had the 1/2 Nelson on?
It was a simple half nelson. Hate to say it, but that Md kid is what many would call a “fish.”
No boots at the time of the fall though.
If I am not mistaken, we rarely see 3/4 nelson at this level. Or any level.
I think Kerk used it against this year in his first match against Sacred Heart.
I was there. But can be hard to tell with floor seats and a raised mat.
It went this way. SH wrestler chose bottom or Kerk chose top. Then I saw the typical 3/4 nelson setup...trap a leg, one arm over (half), one arm under, clamp down and roll.
FYI: I never wrestled. I helped our local club team for 2 years when my 23 year old was 5 and 6 years old. We taught the 3/4 because a local club taught it as a go-to move. We taught a counter (get big/get flat).
I think Kerk used it against this year in his first match against Sacred Heart.
I was there. But can be hard to tell with floor seats and a raised mat.
It went this way. SH wrestler chose bottom or Kerk chose top. Then I saw the typical 3/4 nelson setup...trap a leg, one arm over (half), one arm under, clamp down and roll.
FYI: I never wrestled. I helped our local club team for 2 years when my 23 year old was 5 and 6 years old. We taught the 3/4 because a local club taught it as a go-to move. We taught a counter (get big/get flat).
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Typical half with legs nothing fancy. Stretched him out extended the arm, once he got it deep he let go of legs and pinned him.
Correct, but prior to the pins he got 4 NF while boots were still in. For the pin he jumped to the side.
just a half. started with the classic wrist roll bait. inside wrist, when your opponent tries to clear by rolling his wrist, you use that motion to get elbow to elbow. he reached over and reinforced it with his free hand once he got elbow to elbow. t'ed off for the fall after turning him.
also of note, the overtie shrug to a single he scored his takedown with is his sister's signature attack. pretty cool.
also of note, the overtie shrug to a single he scored his takedown with is his sister's signature attack. pretty cool.
Yea, was going to say that Hildy is either incredibly strong, or MD kid very weak, if he was able to turn him from a 2legs in position which has virtually zero leverage.
Yes, that's a classic pin-combo.... hook near ankle with your inside leg, forward pressure with chest driving bottom wrestler's shoulders & head down as you also attack with half reach under locking up 3/4 as he pushes back into 4-point stance and pull down wrestler's far shoulder and head under. Basically a cradle using 3/4 Nelson on upper-half (head) and hooked leg on lower half.
This. I think I said in the other thread that even Fix will turn not good guys with double boots. I know good guys don’t get turned much at all, but guys like Fix sure as heck often don’t make much progress with the double boots.
