Hope springs eternal - Jake Ryan and Nolf
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Coolest wrestling mat in the country. Big Edinboro fan here.
In light of recent results, I can see why some fans are crowing a little extra. Mostly all in good fun-Just hope they remember that what goes around, eventually comes around. Think that is the problem with a part of Iowa's (and our) fan bases, they have forgotten how they acted on top.
I do see the term "haters" thrown out a lot. Think there are very few "haters" among wrestling fans toward PSU, or Iowa, or OSU (maybe the Bucknuts, but not sure about that). But sometimes the "over the top" fans can draw out some bad response....
He didn't give up any NF there (it was close, but in fact he never even gave up the TD). Zain gave up 2 to Stieber as a Freshman, so I believe the total for the 4 of them is 10:
EDIT: Per BobA's post below, the total should be 12:
Nolf and Suriano: 0
Zain: 2 (to Stieber)
Bo: 8 (4 to Martin at NCAAs, 2 to Martin in Feb. 2016 dual, 4 to Jackson)
I think that's all of them, but maybe I missed some.
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Actually the opposite they are giving PSU props and trying to figure how to get there. The thread about keeping it close is on the Ohio St board and their fans being that just fans. Not once posted here. But that is what fans do same as when big tens were lost fans here were jumping off bridges but the realists knew it was just one weekend and next weekend proved true. That is what makes this sport so good you can talk all you want but come scrap time chalk usually wins. And Penn st has one damn big piece of chalk
He could've given up zero, by giving in to the pain.
incorrect
Final: Nolf had a TF 25-10 over Mazziah Bethea (Penn)
the 10 points came from 10 escapes
Semis: Nolf had a TF 19-4 over Jake Wentzel (Pitt)
the 4 points came from 2 escapes and 1 reversal
Quarters: Nolf had a pin at 3:45 over Zac Carson (Eastern Michigan)
Carson got the initial TD, and 5 escapes, for 7 points, before getting pinned
Round of 16: Nolf had a pin at 1:16 over Zeth Dean (Harvard)
Dean had 3 escapes, for 3 points, before getting pinned
Round of 32: Nolf had a pin at 1:27 over Mike Marano (F&M)
Marano had 2 escapes, for 2 points, before getting pinned
Those Tom Brands quotes are beautiful. And not just because they paint Penn State so colorfully; for me, Brands' candor & originality is what's so beautiful.
"When I was a sophomore in high school, I went to a camp and there were college coaches in that camp and they repeatedly were saying wrestling is being ruined by (former Iowa legendary coach) Dan Gable,'' Brands said.
"Now you hear that argument that Penn State is making wrestling boring. ... Pre-determined this or pre-determine that. Ask (Oklahoma State coach) John Smith what he thinks about that.
"Actually it's good for wrestling,'' Brands said. "It's a barometer. You know they (Penn State) have guys who wrestle hard and we have guys who wrestle hard and that's where maybe one or the other ... something's gonna break. We want to be in that conversation and we have to perform at that level or excel at that level, so I think it's great for wrestling.''
There's nothing wrong with high-level mentality and a winner that's consistent, consistent, consistent,'' he said.
"Cael Sanderson knows how to promote the sport and he has an idea in his head and he believes in it. He put an entertaining team on the mat and the fans will come and he's proven that.
"Cael Sanderson did it right and it's right along my way of thinking. Fans will come if you have an entertaining product. Our job is to be entertaining and be dominant.
"Now you hear that argument that Penn State is making wrestling boring. ... Pre-determined this or pre-determine that. Ask (Oklahoma State coach) John Smith what he thinks about that.
"Actually it's good for wrestling,'' Brands said. "It's a barometer. You know they (Penn State) have guys who wrestle hard and we have guys who wrestle hard and that's where maybe one or the other ... something's gonna break. We want to be in that conversation and we have to perform at that level or excel at that level, so I think it's great for wrestling.''
There's nothing wrong with high-level mentality and a winner that's consistent, consistent, consistent,'' he said.
"Cael Sanderson knows how to promote the sport and he has an idea in his head and he believes in it. He put an entertaining team on the mat and the fans will come and he's proven that.
"Cael Sanderson did it right and it's right along my way of thinking. Fans will come if you have an entertaining product. Our job is to be entertaining and be dominant.
All very true, no doubt the guys work hard on and off the mat and deserve the lion's share of the credit. They stay out of trouble and do well in the classroom.
Cael seems to have a knack identifying those types of wrestlers and getting them to come to PSU. In the 8 years Cael has been here, very few issues for the wrestlers that keeps them from wrestling. With 9.9 scholarships missing on a kid because he can't stay eligible for whatever reason can really hurt the team.
Yeah, saw that...completely unexpected consequence of using the word. Been around horses a good bit in my life, so "horse hooey" sort of where it comes from in my vernacular.
Very good point, it is amazing that the team has overcome major injuries to important cogs the last few seasons...Suriano,cortez this season, Nevills last season but if he missed on the character of even 1 of these recruits/coupled with the injuries I doubt we would be National Champions these last 2 seasons. Cael deserves a lot of credit for understanding what it takes to be successful in this sport not only physically but mentally as well!!
Good stuff. Not sure how to read this bit. Is he saying Smith would agree with him or is Brands throwing shade here?
it was against the Eastern Michigan kid (as Tom states below) and i do believe he gave up the TD. If it wasnt a TD, then it was a horrible non call by the ref, because it absolutely should have been
John would definitely agree. Not that it should be Penn State OR Iowa, but that making someone catch a frontrunner helps the sport as a whole.
Didn't Martin get a couple swipes at the 2/5/16 dual against Nickal? I know the final was 11-5, but I thought I remember Martin starting on top in the 2nd and turning Bo?
The sequence starts about 20 seconds into this video:
Carson got a takedown earlier in the match, but he never gets one on that throw (whether or not it should have been awarded).
thanks for the video
I was sitting on the opposite side of the exposure
I agree it wasnt NF, but it was a TD IMO
and the rest of the video is insane. Jason is a real special talent. We left after semi's, so I didnt get to see his flip against the Penn kid live. i regret that bigly!!
I believe parity is great for our sport. It is important different schools have a shot.
If I could have it my way there would be a different school finishing second to Penn State every year with no repeats for say 7 or 8 years.
Pletch- Not sure if you are the father of the young man for tOSU, but in any case that young man is a fantastic wrestler. Moving up a weight class as a true frosh in Division I? Are you kidding me? Color me impressed!
I read it as pertaining to a team being, supposedly, Predetermined to be the Champ. At the time of the article/quotes/PSU-Iowa dual, OkSt was looking pretty beast. I could picture Brands meaning: 'we certainly don't think Penn State is predetermined to be this year's champ, and I doubt John Smith does either.'
I've been to a lot of the old PSAC schools for a wrestling match but never been to Edinboro, that is the coolest mat I've seen.
So bizarre. We just went an entire dual season losing no more than 3 matches in any dual. We are going to return the same, if not better, lineup....and now we are going to lose 6?
That said, I think there are some epic battles on tap for VJ with Massa and IMar. Hall's offense will open up more next year (except maybe vs Valencia...too much familiarity) Gonna be fun In any event.
I really enjoyed watching your team at NCAA's a few years back (except when Port was beating Zain and Schopp was pinning Gulibon!). Edinboro is definitely good for wrestling!
I must admit I was excited when Mitchell was hired as an assistant. Thank goodness they made him cut his hair, though!
I hope Tim stays. Although we only had 1 AA this year, I think our future is bright.
Appreciate it but no it's my brothers son. I'm just the proud uncle. Thanks for the kind words though
Why are you hoping your nephew doesn't redshirt? Redshirts are usually good for the kid...gives them a year to make the weight and adjust, gives them another year of maturity, and helps their career?
Well his weight is good and the hoping he doesn't redshirt is more on the uncle side of wanting to see him compete lol But if doesn't go at his weight would rather see him shirt a year then have 3 years at his weight instead of trying to bulk up like this year just gave up too much weight
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