Horse Racing's Triple Crown
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Better drug testing and enforcement.
great point. But will all of the tech and training techniques, we haven't really improved (nor dropped) for three year old horses for 60 years?
Four legged animals, unlike humans, are already optimized for running.
Especially with selective breeding. Is surprising there is improvement.
Are jockeys heavier now? No lard asses but perhaps taller, more muscular?
Also a bunch of safety changes for both jockeys and horses.
No one wants to see a horse put down on race day.
I don’t understand this thread. Secretariat obliterated the Triple Crown races and Big Red’s achievement was more than a decade past 1960.
Secretariat won the Triple Crown in 1973. He was the greatest thoroughbred in history. Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs in 154 games in 1927 without performance enhancing drugs. He was the greatest slugger in history. What point is that?
Babe played in a totally different era in terms of pitching and stadiums. He also had a guy backing him up that was just as good so you couldn't pitch around him, the way stars are pitched around today. Secretariat is the outlier, if you look at the times. Generally, the ability of a horse to run around Churchill Downs has stagnated since the 60's. So with the drugs, diet, technology, training, rehab, and understanding we have today, why haven't horses improved? Someone brought up drugs but we certainly had better drugs in the 70s ~ 2010 so why the stagnation?
- In 1964, Bob Hayes broke the 100m dash record with a time of 10.17. Today, that record is 9.58.
- Roger Bannister was the first to run a mile in under 4 minutes in 1954. Today that world record is 3:43.
- In 1963 Valeriy Brumel broke his own high jump record with a height of 7 ft 5+3⁄4 in. Today that record is 8 ft 1/4 inches.
What progress have we made in breeding? You're talking about an animal that physically hasn't changed one iota. The only thing that has changed in breeding is AI, collection and storage.
I wonder if people know, AI is not allowed for race track horses, only live cover is allowed for Thoroughbreds by the Jockey Club.
There's also been changes in many track surfaces over the years. Artificial, which absolutely sucks for horses, and deeper bases like at Churchill Downs. Furthermore, toe grabs have been drastically reduced to 2mm or not allowed at all.
Maybe breeding for horses has changed. Are horses being bread for more speed than distance?
Study concludes that racehorses are getting faster
Despite a general consensus among scientists and in the racing industry that racehorse speed has plateaued, a new study from the University of Exeter has found that racehorses are getting quicker. Further research is required to determine whether the increased speeds have a genetic basis or are...
phys.org
You should have added that AI in this case is artificial insemination and not artificial intelligence.
It is not permitted on racehorses which severely limits the number of foals a stud racehorse may sire
good information and stuff I didn't know. On breeding, I would think that we've got better knowledge of genetics and how to bring out different attributes. For example, leg length to body length, front leg length to back leg length. Knee hoof versus knee-to-body length. body weight. height...etc. Which of these attributes makes a better race horse and how to you breed them to get the ideal combinations?
Good find.Maybe breeding for horses has changed. Are horses being bread for more speed than distance?
Study concludes that racehorses are getting faster
Despite a general consensus among scientists and in the racing industry that racehorse speed has plateaued, a new study from the University of Exeter has found that racehorses are getting quicker. Further research is required to determine whether the increased speeds have a genetic basis or are...phys.org
Here's a funny by true story regarding breeding, and how unscientific it really is. Unless you're using genome editing, which isn't allowed in TB's, also ungodly expensive, nothing has changed other than knowing possible color characteristics of the resulting breeding.
Now, that said, the most famous racehorse in the world, Secretariat, is pretty much the worst breeding champion in history. For years, folks wanted his babies, and the vast majority of them had a bad case of the slows, and absolutely horrible feet. He was euthanized due to laminitis. Of his get, of which there were 660, only 54 won stakes races. Racing is a crap shoot.
Every time man messes with Mother Nature, he usually messes things up. From Quarter Horses, to Arabs, to off the track Thoroughbreds. Throw in dogs and produce that has no taste.
All one has to do is look at the Impressive line in Quarter Horses, and the genetic disease that is HYPP.
Regarding weather this weekend. It will be interesting. Rain always affects the track, and certain horses just don't do well on wet tracks. Not heavy rain, but steady from today on. Looks like the heaviest rain will be around race time at the 150th Kentucky Derby. Wow, 150 years. That’s amazing.
I'm not so sure. Both had plenty of fun times. Secretariat was in a very bad way at the end.
At least no idiots have torn down his statue. Yet.
Secretariat preakness
I swear thar Secretariat gave the field a head start. His burst through them on the 1st turn is amazing. Normal horses pass like this at the end of the race when the others are tiring.
I swear thar Secretariat gave the field a head start. His burst through them on the 1st turn is amazing. Normal horses pass like this at the end of the race when the others are tiring.
Weather, weather, weather impacts times as do the rabbits or lack of them. Every year is different so hard to compare because conditions are so different. But a horse is a horse of course of course!
I absolutely love the call at Belmont. “He is moving like a tremendous machine!”
Actually in 1985 spend a buck set records for the first 3 quarters and was eased or he would have set a new record at Church Hill Downs.
If it's sloppy tomorrow, might want to take a look at Mystik Dan. Doesn't always translate to next out but he seemed unfazed by the wet at Oaklawn. Also Kenny McPeek trained and ridden by Brian Hernandez....same duo who took down the Oaks today. Just sayin!
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