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House v. NCAA/NIL/Revenue sharing/Roster caps/Scholarship limits

kind of off topic: for the 30 wrestler cap. What will happen with the extra 10-12 wrestlers. Will they be cut or left go? Added to NLWC.

Just thought of this with psu having such a big roster this could get interesting. Who would be cut and how would the coaches decide.
 
kind of off topic: for the 30 wrestler cap. What will happen with the extra 10-12 wrestlers. Will they be cut or left go? Added to NLWC.

Just thought of this with psu having such a big roster this could get interesting. Who would be cut and how would the coaches decide.
Good question, and adding to NLWC is an interesting idea.

The issues I see are:
(1) They'd have to train with no opportunity to compete except maybe as unrostered at some Opens, paying their own way. NLWC is not spending any money on former varsity backups, and they'd be ineligible for NIL since not on the varsity roster.
(2) It could be seen as a naked end run around the roster limit. PSU typically avoids such appearances.
(3) Insurance, liability, etc.?

So IMO it's unlikely, and if it does happen, it would be strictly temporary until the roster reaches 30 via graduation/attrition. Cael will not recruit extra HS kids and stuff them on the freestyle roster.

Also FYI it's more like 7 wrestlers -- the roster has typically been around 37.

I wish the NCAA would allow a 1-year grace period to get down to those limits. Immediate roster cuts seem unnecessary. Then again, NCAA.
 
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They are bureaucrats.

From Bureaucracy by Mises: (1944)

The terms bureaucrat, bureaucratic, and bureaucracy are clearly invectives. Nobody calls himself a bureaucrat or his own methods of management bureaucratic. These words are always applied with an opprobrious connotation. They always imply a disparaging criticism of persons, institutions, or procedures. Nobody doubts that bureaucracy is thoroughly bad and that it should not exist in a perfect world.


The abusive implication of the terms in question is not limited to America and other democratic countries. It is a universal phenomenon.
Opprobrious. Now that is a word you rarely if ever see anymore. It is interesting how words come into and out of fashion or their original meaning gets replaced to where using the word in its original meaning is almost impossible. I was recently reading an older book on an archaeological excavation at Masada where they used the then current word for a bundle of sticks. That word meaning has sure changed!
 
You know that is why these boards exist... to share news, ideas, thoughts, opinions, etc.

I'm sure you have expressed yours in a post or two.

What makes yours any different than anyone else's?
I got confused by the title of this board. Football ...
Not NCAA politics board, congressional over site board, my cousin that played jr high football and his wife had a baby board. Richie, could you change the board name to be the everything including football board. I won't get so confused that way.
 
Coming to an NCAA football stadium near you, hyper-inflation of ticket prices even for students. Just watch

PSU base season tickets have increased from $224 to $693 over the past 20 seasons. Let’s be quiet about it because that makes our wrestling season tickets look like an unbelievable bargain. I was up in State College for a few days this summer and caught up with some fellows who donate to PSU because they love the place. Based on what I heard, the cocktail circuit is in full bloom with NIL activity. Access to athletes very much helps squeeze money out of the mahogany. I also talked with a university fund raiser that told me that the sucking sound we hear is money that used to go to academic scholarship's and capital
Projects are being vacuumed into the NIL combine. My main point being here that athletics is ramping up its finances in a serious way (reference what’s happening at tOSU) and that this is going to result in “unanticipated consequences” to other aspects of the University. The essential nature of the University as we know it is changing. As media empires like ABC, CBS, and NBC transitioned 25 years ago from news organizations to entertainment companies …… so too will universities transition largely to an “entertainment model”.
 
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What? Now I do agree that not everyone needs a 4 year degree and there are a decent amount of kids going to school for useless degrees, but to say employers don't care about it is just wrong. Unless you go into the trades(which more people should do) most well paying careers still require a 4 year degree.
The generation now and before got feed that line of BS ( you need a degree), now we have 2 generations of people with degrees that don’t apply to what a lot are doing and being hand feed on the job for multiple yrs just to do their job on a basic level. I would guess half the kids 🧒 n college now do not get into a job that directly correlates to their degree.
 
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The generation now and before got feed that line of BS ( you need a degree), now we have 2 generations of people with degrees that don’t apply to what a lot are doing and being hand feed on the job for multiple yrs just to do their job on a basic level. I would guess half the kids 🧒 n college now do not get into a job that directly correlates to their degree.
https://www.cbsnews.com/moneywatch?ftag=CNM-16-10abg0d


"More than half of Americans who earned college diplomas find themselves working in jobs that don't require a bachelor's degree or utilize the skills acquired in obtaining one. What's worse, they can get stuck there for the entirety of their careers."
 
I got confused by the title of this board. Football ...
Not NCAA politics board, congressional over site board, my cousin that played jr high football and his wife had a baby board. Richie, could you change the board name to be the everything including football board. I won't get so confused that way.
Well, this is the wrestling forum and we mostly talk about bike racing. it's easy to get confused.
 
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https://www.cbsnews.com/moneywatch?ftag=CNM-16-10abg0d


"More than half of Americans who earned college diplomas find themselves working in jobs that don't require a bachelor's degree or utilize the skills acquired in obtaining one. What's worse, they can get stuck there for the entirety of their careers."
Psalm 1 - I know someone who got his degree at UCSD which is a good school. After graduating, he decided to go into plumbing and is doing very well for a guy his age. I’m not sure what prompted him to go that route rather than choosing a career path that requires a college degree, but overall, I think he made a smart choice. He likes the work and he’s able to take good care of his family.
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/moneywatch?ftag=CNM-16-10abg0d


"More than half of Americans who earned college diplomas find themselves working in jobs that don't require a bachelor's degree or utilize the skills acquired in obtaining one. What's worse, they can get stuck there for the entirety of their careers."
Psalm 1 - I know someone who got his degree at UCSD which is a good school. After graduating, he decided to go into plumbing and is doing very well for a guy his age. I’m not sure what prompted him to go that route rather than choosing a career path that requires a college degree, but overall, I think he made a smart choice. He likes the work and he’s able to take good care of his family
 
Psalm 1 - I know someone who got his degree at UCSD which is a good school. After graduating, he decided to go into plumbing and is doing very well for a guy his age. I’m not sure what prompted him to go that route rather than choosing a career path that requires a college degree, but overall, I think he made a smart choice. He likes the work and he’s able to take good care of his family.
I have an engineering degree and an MBA. (Yep, not evidenced by most of my posts :))

I work in high tech and have had my job under constant threat of workforce reduction for the past 20 years. The work is high pace, high demand, and high stress. Of the 10 guys in my work Fantasy Football league from the 2000 era, I am the sole survivor still at the company, nearly all left involuntarily.

When I hired we had profit sharing, 2 shares for 1 employee stock purchase, a retirement plan, generous stock grants and options, bonus, retiree medical, and the list goes on... Today, I have my 401k and that is it for retirement. I haven't had a raise in 3 years, but we still can earn bonus and some limited grants. Cascading CEOs eliminated virtually every really nice perk. Retirement is 67 or later for me.

1-2 days a month during the summer I take a weekday off to golfing. The courses are chock full of state workers, cops, firemen all retired at 50 with 80-90% pay. Some on their second career laughing all the way to the bank. Almost all retired cops are on stress related disability tax free retirement. I see a fair amount of tradesmen - electricians, plumbers, ... One thing they all seen to have in common? They are happy and have virtually no real stress.

My advice for kids today. Seriously consider not going to college if you have a vision for your future in one of the trades or entrepreneurship, and if you do go, take your time and work while going, and avoid accumulating any debt. Student loans are for suckers and the impatient, and a poor ROI especially in the arts and humanities.

Had I the option to do it all over again, knowing what I know now. Pass on the MBA, and get a public sector job with a retirement plan (that isn't going bankrupt :) ) leveraging my engineering degree.
 
Psalm 1 - I know someone who got his degree at UCSD which is a good school. After graduating, he decided to go into plumbing and is doing very well for a guy his age. I’m not sure what prompted him to go that route rather than choosing a career path that requires a college degree, but overall, I think he made a smart choice. He likes the work and he’s able to take good care of his family
Mike Rowe has been beating this drum for years now. For those with a good work ethic there are well paying blue collar jobs out there. UCSD is a highly rated school, but it does sound like your friend made a good decision for himself. I know you have to be bright to get accepted into UCSD, but my police interactions with some of those students made me question their common sense!
 
I have an engineering degree and an MBA. (Yep, not evidenced by most of my posts :))

I work in high tech and have had my job under constant threat of workforce reduction for the past 20 years. The work is high pace, high demand, and high stress. Of the 10 guys in my work Fantasy Football league from the 2000 era, I am the sole survivor still at the company, nearly all left involuntarily.

When I hired we had profit sharing, 2 shares for 1 employee stock purchase, a retirement plan, generous stock grants and options, bonus, retiree medical, and the list goes on... Today, I have my 401k and that is it for retirement. I haven't had a raise in 3 years, but we still can earn bonus and some limited grants. Cascading CEOs eliminated virtually every really nice perk. Retirement is 67 or later for me.

1-2 days a month during the summer I take a weekday off to golfing. The courses are chock full of state workers, cops, firemen all retired at 50 with 80-90% pay. Some on their second career laughing all the way to the bank. Almost all retired cops are on stress related disability tax free retirement. I see a fair amount of tradesmen - electricians, plumbers, ... One thing they all seen to have in common? They are happy and have virtually no real stress.

My advice for kids today. Seriously consider not going to college if you have a vision for your future in one of the trades or entrepreneurship, and if you do go, take your time and work while going, and avoid accumulating any debt. Student loans are for suckers and the impatient, and a poor ROI especially in the arts and humanities.

Had I the option to do it all over again, knowing what I know now. Pass on the MBA, and get a public sector job with a retirement plan (that isn't going bankrupt :) ) leveraging my engineering degree.
This is good advice.
Even the government retirement plans are getting changed. As an example in PA the state and school pensions for people hired 2 or 3 years ago are basically half of the benefit that they once were. Still a little better than 401k, but not like the 80-90% retirement that it once was. (For better or worse).
 
Opprobrious. Now that is a word you rarely if ever see anymore. It is interesting how words come into and out of fashion or their original meaning gets replaced to where using the word in its original meaning is almost impossible. I was recently reading an older book on an archaeological excavation at Masada where they used the then current word for a bundle of sticks. That word meaning has sure changed!

I used to work for the now sold Prudential Retirement Services with an English woman who pretty much said what was on her mind and enjoyed interspersing her conversation with authentic English references, especially ones that might produce a grimace or nervous laughter (i.e, bangers instead of sausages).

Part of our job was to explain the byzantine and counterintuitive pension rules to customer contact staff. One day one of our CSR's approached and we a chat about a matter but with a little more friendliness than normal. After "Dee" left, Rosemary said "I know what you're thinking, but don't even think about going out with her", to which I said "sorry, but that train left about a year and a half ago". Her loud response "oh come on, you too? Is there a guy in the building she hasn't gone out with?"

Now relevant to your story the word for a bundle of sticks also means (meant) cigarette in England. Prudential's reaction to the prohibition on indoor smoking that was enacted in 1990ish was first to let the smokers go out, but when sick time went up, they built a green house looking shelter, which the employees either called "the butt hut" or the name of one of the Nazi death camps.

So just to get a rise out of people, she would announce that "I'm going to Au^***tz, to have a *fa*****".

Unfortunately, the habit killed her. I can't even imagine her acerbic wit surviving a day without a summons to the bureau of contrived and exaggerated indignities, "HR".

I am glad I'm getting close to pulling the pin. Where others show pictures of themself in a vanilla pose, my picture is me hanging out of a locomotive cab window. Instead of "pronouns", I quote Til Tuesday's "Voices Carry".

"...in the dark, I'd like to read his mind
But I'm frightened of the things I might find",

I have a niece in college; they can't even imagine the spirited rebelliousness of Tom Sawyer.
 
I used to work for the now sold Prudential Retirement Services with an English woman who pretty much said what was on her mind and enjoyed interspersing her conversation with authentic English references, especially ones that might produce a grimace or nervous laughter (i.e, bangers instead of sausages).

Part of our job was to explain the byzantine and counterintuitive pension rules to customer contact staff. One day one of our CSR's approached and we a chat about a matter but with a little more friendliness than normal. After "Dee" left, Rosemary said "I know what you're thinking, but don't even think about going out with her", to which I said "sorry, but that train left about a year and a half ago". Her loud response "oh come on, you too? Is there a guy in the building she hasn't gone out with?"

Now relevant to your story the word for a bundle of sticks also means (meant) cigarette in England. Prudential's reaction to the prohibition on indoor smoking that was enacted in 1990ish was first to let the smokers go out, but when sick time went up, they built a green house looking shelter, which the employees either called "the butt hut" or the name of one of the Nazi death camps.

So just to get a rise out of people, she would announce that "I'm going to Au^***tz, to have a *fa*****".

Unfortunately, the habit killed her. I can't even imagine her acerbic wit surviving a day without a summons to the bureau of contrived and exaggerated indignities, "HR".

I am glad I'm getting close to pulling the pin. Where others show pictures of themself in a vanilla pose, my picture is me hanging out of a locomotive cab window. Instead of "pronouns", I quote Til Tuesday's "Voices Carry".

"...in the dark, I'd like to read his mind
But I'm frightened of the things I might find",

I have a niece in college; they can't even imagine the spirited rebelliousness of Tom Sawyer.
@Pitchfork Rebel Do you happen to work for the company that bought that division? In the WB area? I ask because I have a friend that made the change. I could be more specific but wanted to leave it to your discretion.
 
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When it comes to working for the Federal Government, you guys have no idea about the amount of waste. My brother in law works as a computer programmer for a Federal agency in DC, first he has no employee's under him, yet he is making more than the head of the IT Department at the large company I just retired from. His department is so over staffed that the 40 employees, in his department, take all of one hour each day to get their work work done. There are no set rules show up at 9am or 11am whatever, leave at whatever time you like or quote work from home at anytime. Four years ago he spend the entire summer overseeing workers putting in a pool for him and during the entire 3 months, never went once to work or did anything work related while at home. And this is just the tip of the iceberg on stories I could tell you on the topic.
Ditto - same deal with a family member. Works from home for about 2-3 hours and works his farm all afternoon. He’s bad 3 bosses in the last 2 years and has never met is current boss in person. On the other hand, he claims his performance appraisal rates him as excellent. Of course there are many hard working federal ee’s, but, there’s a lot of hanky banky too.
 
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The generation now and before got feed that line of BS ( you need a degree), now we have 2 generations of people with degrees that don’t apply to what a lot are doing and being hand feed on the job for multiple yrs just to do their job on a basic level. I would guess half the kids 🧒 n college now do not get into a job that directly correlates to their degree.
That's fair, I knew a lot of kids, mostly from wealthy families, that were pretty much only at college for the experience. I washed dishes all through college, which wasn't anywhere close to enough to make a dent on my school expenses mostly just spending money for while I lived there, and took out loans for the rest. But, I got an Enigneering degree, have a pretty comfortable salary in my early 30s especially for where I live, and get probably 10+ cold calls/emails from recruiters a week. So if I had the choice I would definitely do it over again. I book a lot of tradesmen at my job and while yeah they definitely get paid well, a lot of that can be physically demanding work. I don't want to be in my 50s sweating my ass of outside rebuilding a 400 ton chiller in July. Pretty much 100% of them complain about back problems, knee replacements, etc. It's good pay with a low cost to entry, but the wear and tear those jobs put on your body can't be ignored.
 
It would be interesting to know if in fact the PSU team has upped their scholy limit from 9.9, and if so, to what? My understanding is this is optional and many schools will do nothing of the sort. Has there been any official comms on this front? I think 20 is a nice number, 2 deep at every weight.
 
It would be interesting to know if in fact the PSU team has upped their scholy limit from 9.9, and if so, to what? My understanding is this is optional and many schools will do nothing of the sort. Has there been any official comms on this front? I think 20 is a nice number, 2 deep at every weight.
PSU will increase scholarships when more scholarships are endowed.
 
That $22M is just the first year. It will go up every year. Our brainy acts in charge just approved a $700M renovation to renovate HALF of Beaver Stadium.
it would have costed 2 billion or more for a new stadium. spending 700 to make it more functional is okay
 
Looking at the Iowa mens wrestling roster, they have 37 wrestlers listed, does that mean that they are redshirting at least 7 to get to the 30 person limit!
 

@Pitchfork Rebel Do you happen to work for the company that bought that division? In the WB area? I ask because I have a friend that made the change. I could be more specific but wanted to leave it to your discretion.


No, I left Prudential in 1999 and over the years, most everybody I worked with either moved on or passed on. Sometime in the 2000's Pru merged with Principle and when I ran into somebody I knew I was told that "you should be glad you left when you did".


The last person that was I knew and was in contact with that was employed by Prudential when I was there was told by Empower that they could remain in permanent telecommute status or move to HQ in Colorado, but was let go last year.

If your friend was there during the time 1989 (the Moosic office opened October 1989) to 1999, might know him or her.
 
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Eventually at the D1 level, the non-revenue sports that have very low attendance are going to get the axe. Sad, but a new reality with pay to play. Athletic Departments are going to make it a priority for fund football and hoops since they can make money.

At the D2 and D3 level, sports are used to bring students to campus, most paying near full freight in tuition and housing. Have 30 people on your D3 soccer team, that is close to 30 kids who would not have attended your school.
 
Many of you have probably already seen that Campbell is cutting scholarships. This, after they very recently invested in new facilities. Times are changing fast.

Seems like this shifting landscape will just further consolidate elite recruitment in the PSUs, Iowas, and Okie States of the world given their superior staying power.
 
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