How do you feel about #22 being retired at Penn State?
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Do people see the irony in the thing? Stop living in the past, laser focus on the future, the past is gone, it's a new day...that only applies when we're talking about certain people, or removing players' images on banners from the concourses. But then this is what happens when you lie so much you can't keep all your stories straight.
How about a compromise? Display the "retired" numbers at the stadium, but continue to allow the players the honor of wearing them.
About the banners, we still have pictures of past greats under the west stands. There is even a picture of JoePa there (after winning the 1983 Sugar Bowl). Shocking, I know.
That's an interesting point that I was about to make. There is no "22" displayed in the stadium as you would expect for a retired number. I wonder if Cappelletti didn't want it displayed.
Un retire #22, put numbers on the helmets, take names off jerseys, repaint the end zone with the diamonds, hand out marshmallows to the student section during home games, make the players wear suits and ties on road trips, shave all beards, wear mesh jerseys on warm days go to class, get to study hall, get your degree, and be a productive citizen.
It's not complicated people.
It's not complicated people.
Excellent points, but you had me laugh at "hand out marshmallows to the student section during home games".
Unfortunately, I'm not sure that mandating suit and tie and shaving beards would play well with recruits today.
I think Dave Joyner is a piece of shit and I can still see him making a mockery of the history of this program with this dick move. To be in the stadium at halftime that afternoon was torture watching Dave parade around.
Gutless total boot licking lackey.
Gutless total boot licking lackey.
My respect for Cappy is huge, however it would be even greater if he would decline the offer at the ceremony and thank everyone for the consideration.
No. It should NOT be retired.
People in positions of power think/believe others need hero's. Was this voted upon by the alumni? Was it voted upon by the lettermen? Is there a business gain, here? I don't know? What is the criteria to have a number retired? We all feel the same about Joey. But, is any other GREAT player any less deserving b/c they didn't have a "Joey" in their family? What about a former football player that wins the Congressional Medal of Honor? Should we then retire their number?
It's a farce. That's how I feel.
Exactly right. I was at the game a couple years ago when they honored Cappy and the rest of that team at half time. As you said, it was done to placate the fans who were angry about the admins treatment of the program's past. Not surprisingly, it looks like they got it wrong again. As good as Cappy was, I don't think most fans want to single out one player over the rest of the team. And of course, at the ceremony, they introduced the whole team but never mentioned who the coach was.
No disrespect to John. However, I too am opposed to retiring any player's number as the issue is about team and not the individual.
What makes this decision so incindiary for me is the manner in which it was made.
Dave Joyner decided this almost on his own. He made no effort to survey the letterman. Moreover, he convinced Rod that this was a common practice at other schools. But this decision was motivated by factors I cannot enumerate here.
Of course, Rod's connection to athletics was virtually non-existent even after he was elevated to President.
One day I will share my emails to Rod regarding this matter so that you get a better sense of the administration of athletics under Dave Joyner.
What makes this decision so incindiary for me is the manner in which it was made.
Dave Joyner decided this almost on his own. He made no effort to survey the letterman. Moreover, he convinced Rod that this was a common practice at other schools. But this decision was motivated by factors I cannot enumerate here.
Of course, Rod's connection to athletics was virtually non-existent even after he was elevated to President.
One day I will share my emails to Rod regarding this matter so that you get a better sense of the administration of athletics under Dave Joyner.
Couldn't agree with you anymore rod - Cappy was a class player and our only Heisman trophy winner but you could be opening up a can of worms that would be hard to close.
Anthony, thanks very much for weighing in here. Given that the names have come off the jerseys as part of the healing process (per Coach Franklin), do you think there is a possibility of #22 being unretired? Do you know how John Cappelletti feels about it?
Probably because it's still an active number.
It's certainly not a huge deal for me either way, but my preference would also be for us not to retire any numbers. Part of the tradition I love is knowing the players in the past that wore a particular number. IMO, seeing a number on a current player makes me remember those former players much more than a retired number does.
Yeah, I was wondering if they planned to display 22 in the stadium after Lynch graduates.
Tell that to a Yankee fan.
Bottom line, I think the advisability of retiring numbers has a whole lot to do with a given team's tradition. The tradition at PSU is no names on the jerseys, and not to retire numbers. The school should probably have used another way to honor players like Cappy. Ring of honor, plaque, or something else.
A new coffee flavored ice cream -"Cappyccino".
Benito Joyner is somebody else's problem now, and the messes he attempted to make for us can be unmade.
Thankfully.
Thankfully.
