How must Jim Harbaugh feel today?
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A bit of a choke by his offensive coordinator and a sudden display of nerves by a young QB.
Don't totally understand why Michigan's OLine couldn't dominate TCU but Georgia's could. Matchups are a funny thing sometimes. And psychology. TCU just looked lost on both sides of the ball, Pressure finally got to them.
Don't totally understand why Michigan's OLine couldn't dominate TCU but Georgia's could. Matchups are a funny thing sometimes. And psychology. TCU just looked lost on both sides of the ball, Pressure finally got to them.
Horrible, hopefully - that smug, self righteous bleep can’t feel bad enough, as far as I’m concerned. And I hope the Big Ten powers-that-be feel even worse! Never hope for success for UM and OSU - never! The implicit (and explicit) bias from this conference for both of them will not end unless the conference is shown unequivocally that their favoritism hurts the conference in general. The first sign of this will be the conference finally moving “the Game” from the last weekend of the regular season - this MUST happen - it is explicit bias that this game is elevated above all others in the conference - it is bad and must end.
IMO Jimma set the wrong tone on the first possession when he didn't kick a chip shot FG and then called a trick play on 4th and short. Totally uncharacteristic for him. Couldn't be happier about smug Harbaugh and arrogant Michigan losing to TCU.
Depth.
TCU was probably still worn out from the Michigan game. They generally played the same 6 in their 3-3 front.
Still, UGA was firing on all last night. Buzz. Saw.
Agree depth may have had a big part to play but GA got really beat up versus tOSU. That was a physical game.
I think two things happened. I think UM came out tentative and crapped the bed vs TCU. When things started going TCU's way, UM choked and couldn't respond to a higher level of play. Last night, TCU just couldn't man up physically or athletically. it kind of rolled up on them when they turned the ball over, their starting RB couldn't play and their starting LT got hurt. TCU just isn't in the same class of football.
No input from OleTed??? He's turned into Guy Incognito since the Meatchicken loss. Honestly, should we send the authorities to his house for a wellness check???
What a piece of crap. It's one thing to participate on other teams boards. His posting if that of an ásshole, no less.
Jimmy is probably wondering if his 2 hr interview went well enough yesterday to make the plunge back to the league
Michigan football's Jim Harbaugh a 'top candidate' after interview with Denver Broncos
Michigan football coach Jim Harbaugh spoke with the Denver Broncos during a two-hour virtual interview, according to NFL Network's Tom Pelissero.
www.freep.com
This is from 3:07pm today. The Meatchicken implosion countdown clock is ticking...
I would be shocked if he was back at UM. He desperately wants to get back into the nfl, and who can blame him with the portal, nil, year round recruiting. The NFL is an easier gig in many respects.Michigan football's Jim Harbaugh a 'top candidate' after interview with Denver Broncos
Michigan football coach Jim Harbaugh spoke with the Denver Broncos during a two-hour virtual interview, according to NFL Network's Tom Pelissero.www.freep.com
This is from 3:07pm today. The Meatchicken implosion countdown clock is ticking...
This honestly--he's likely trying to figure out which NFL job he wants. Jimmy isn't at all upset today--he's in great shape whether he returns to Michigan or goes to the NFL. They just went 12-1. Does anyone really think he's devastated?
To H with Jim Harbaugh - whatever he’s feeling, I hope it’s bad. I’m glad UM lost to TCU and I hope it is psychologically devastating to their team. They are o’fer 6 in their last 6 bowl games, and we all know why.
The Big Ten is embarrassed, hopefully. There is only one way to end the implicit (and explicit) bias of the conference for UM and OSU, and that is for the conference panjandrums to figure out that it is bad for the conference as a whole. Then, finally, they will end the ridiculous emphasis on “the Game” - which is nothing more than explicit bias, reschedule it for earlier in the season, thus eliminating the implicit bias to try to get both UM and OSU to that game with as few losses as possible, and actually start supporting EVERY team in the conference.
Until that happens, the Big Ten b.s. continues - and UM(21-29) and OSU’s( 26-28) crappy bowl game performance will, as well.
Bowl records aren't an issue--losing playoff games is. Especially Michigan losing to a team that shouldn't have even been in the playoff. I agree with the "to hell with Jim Harbaugh" part as I don't care what he decides to do but pretending this is going to hurt Michigan or change anything is delusional. "The Game" is huge for the conference which includes Penn State. Now we just have to get better so us playing Michigan and Ohio State is on that level. You have to stop with the whole "the conference helps them" nonsense. The rest of the Big Ten would say that about us. It's what weaker fan bases use as an excuse to losing to better teams--can't be our lack of talent or poor coaching....blame the refs.
It isn’t nonsense, but historical fact. Why are their bowl game/post season game records either lousy or mediocre? Why? I know why - calls are actually made against them, and phantom calls are not made for them out of conference. “The Game” is not the be all, end all as far as the bowl games are concerned.
The following games were DIRECTLY taken from PSU by Big Ten Officials:
UM - 1993, 1999, 2002, 2005
OSU- 1995, 2003, 2014
You might not care, but as an alum, I do. Never forget, never forgive. Bleep them both, and the Big Ten as well. I will never route for any Big Ten team out of conference (except my beloved alma mater PSU). I will never route for OSU or UM, unless their in-conference win helps us. I hope the BIG Ten crashes and burns to ash, and then I hope PSU pi$$es on the ashes. Delaney openly disparaging us and campaigning against us after we won the conference in 2016 was the last straw.
F the Big Ten! Penn State Forever!
The following games were DIRECTLY taken from PSU by Big Ten Officials:
UM - 1993, 1999, 2002, 2005
OSU- 1995, 2003, 2014
You might not care, but as an alum, I do. Never forget, never forgive. Bleep them both, and the Big Ten as well. I will never route for any Big Ten team out of conference (except my beloved alma mater PSU). I will never route for OSU or UM, unless their in-conference win helps us. I hope the BIG Ten crashes and burns to ash, and then I hope PSU pi$$es on the ashes. Delaney openly disparaging us and campaigning against us after we won the conference in 2016 was the last straw.
F the Big Ten! Penn State Forever!
You realize of course we are the Big Ten right?
As an alum calls are missed--that's reality. Again, every single fan base, including Michigan and Ohio State, will ramble off games that refs cost them. The difference is that they, primarily Ohio State, win so often because they're better than the rest of the conferences you don't care and enjoy it when a call goes against them.
In 2016 Ohio State was a clear option over us as the committee also indicated. The only thing Delaney should have done differently was to try to push us ahead of Washington. Penn State-Ohio State wasn't even debated by the committee as it wasn't close. We lost to Michigan and Pitt. And do you remember the Michigan score? Ohio State lost to us on what must people saw as a fluke (In reality it was poor coaching by Ohio State)
I remember most but not all. 2014 was especially awful and we should have considered moving on to the acc at that point. What happened in 1993? I have no recollection.
Then Delaney should have kept his mouth shut. He didn’t - he openly disparaged us, and promoted Ohio State. We were the conference champions. We beat OSU. This isn’t debatable. I detest the Big Ten - it must be brought low in order for it to be cleansed of its bias and resurrected as a bias-free conference that promotes ALL of its teams, not just 2 of them.
until that happens, and the damn OSU vs UM game is rescheduled as a in-season game like any other conference game (every CFB tradition is being jettisoned - why not this one? Why? Because it benefits the 2 teams the conference shills for, that’s why), I hope for the Big Ten’s demise - let it burn to the ground, as long as Penn State becomes king of the ashes!
Being the Big Ten champ isn't relevant to picking 4 teams as we weren't comparable to Ohio State. We should have been in as the 4 seed but people still complaining about Ohio State (clearly more deserving) getting in over us needs to stop. It honestly makes us look pathetic.
You can detest (or anything else) the Big Ten but we need the Big Ten. Once other teams get to the level of Ohio State and Michigan they'll get that respect.
Do you need a list of rivalry games at the end of the year? It benefits the Big Ten--what was the college football game this year with the highest TV ratings before the playoff?
You honestly need to accept that we're in the Big Ten and that's never going to change unless college football blows up as we know it--which I think you'd hate that as well. Times change--we're not an Independent. The Big Ten money is more than we'd ever make without them. Hate them, love them, be indifferent towards them but the Big Ten is the best thing that ever happened to Penn State.
“The Game” benefits UM and OSU, and because the interests of the Big Ten have been in EXACT parallel to UMs and OSUs, many are bamboozled to think that it benefits the conference. It doesn’t - it fuels the implicit bias of getting UM (ask Illinois this season) and OSU to the damn game with as few losses as possible. This must end!
I unequivocally state that it is in PSU football‘s interest to see the Big Ten humiliated on the national stage (not including PSU, of course) as often as possible until the conference power brokers realize that the despicable implicit and explicit (Delaney) bias towards UM and OSU is a net negative and they start supporting ALL conference teams, not just the 2 golden children.
Ending “the Game”‘s sacrosanct status, or at least scheduling it like any other conference game, would be a good start.
I unequivocally state that it is in PSU football‘s interest to see the Big Ten humiliated on the national stage (not including PSU, of course) as often as possible until the conference power brokers realize that the despicable implicit and explicit (Delaney) bias towards UM and OSU is a net negative and they start supporting ALL conference teams, not just the 2 golden children.
Ending “the Game”‘s sacrosanct status, or at least scheduling it like any other conference game, would be a good start.
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The Game is important for the Big Ten. Hopefully when USC joins the conference we play them on the same day so the best 4 teams play.
Auburn-Alabama and countless other rivalries are played on the last weekend. It's not special treatment.
Yes, it’s important for the Big Ten - but only BECAUSE it’s important to UM and OSU. And that is why it must be rescheduled/de-emphasized. The bias/ rot will never be wrung out of this cesspool of a conference unless the interests of UM and OSU are either decoupled from the conference, or lessened to the same as any other conference team.
as long as the conference’s interests are the exact same as the 2 favored children’s interests, the implicit and explicit bias towards those favored children will continue. And that is unacceptable - bleep this conference, and it’s golden children!
as long as the conference’s interests are the exact same as the 2 favored children’s interests, the implicit and explicit bias towards those favored children will continue. And that is unacceptable - bleep this conference, and it’s golden children!
It's important to Penn State because it's part of what drives the TV money. I don't know why this is a difficult concept for so many here. We need the Big Ten far more than they need us. Reality not an opinion.
I understand the TV money - and I don’t think that matters nearly as much as wringing the bias out of the conference. You need to understand this: I care about Penn State. And only Penn State. I couldn’t care less about the Big Ten, or any team therein. In fact, I want the Big Ten to be humiliated to the point where it begs for restructuring/change. It is a miasma of greed and bias towards 2 schools.
People can try to deny that, but the evidence is overwhelming. Thus, unless it changes of its own volition (highly doubtful, since it’s been a UM-OSU satrap for 80 years or so), something outside the conference must be the catalyst. I hope that something is every conference team other than PSU losing every non conference, bowl game, and/or playoff game until the conference is so humiliated that they stop the b.s. and support ALL conference schools - not just 2 of them.
People can try to deny that, but the evidence is overwhelming. Thus, unless it changes of its own volition (highly doubtful, since it’s been a UM-OSU satrap for 80 years or so), something outside the conference must be the catalyst. I hope that something is every conference team other than PSU losing every non conference, bowl game, and/or playoff game until the conference is so humiliated that they stop the b.s. and support ALL conference schools - not just 2 of them.
I'd say Harbaugh feels like he was shot at and missed and sh*t at and hit.
Hating the Big Ten and wanting their demise isn't caring about Penn State. The bias is largely in your head because you only care about Penn State. A weak Big Ten is awful for Penn State as the playoff expands
Most people saw PSU winning the 2016 OSU game as a fluke? You’re buying into the Herbstreit propaganda narrative that he foisted upon all of the sports media for the rest of the 2016 season.
A few facts about that game:
1. While true that OSU had 90+ more yards of total offense, keep in mind that PSU lost over 50 yards on 3 shotgun victory formation plays and a devastating 30+ yard snap over our punter’s head resulting in a cheap safety.
2. Penn State also missed a FG after totally dominating the first quarter.
3. Penn State had similar rushing yards (160+ for both teams) on fewer carries, even though OSU ripped off a long TD run in Q3.
4. Penn State had 6 Sacks to OSU’s 1.
I contend that it would have been a fluke if PSU lost that game
Again--"people saw Penn State beating Ohio State as a fluke"--no stats from the game alter perception. The key is the committee (the only people that matter) didn't even compare us to Ohio State because they deemed it wasn't close. Had we beat Pitt or Michigan we would have been compared to them. We should have been in over Washington but there's not a single person that can look at Penn State and Ohio State in 2016 and truly say they don't understand the decision.
Is reffing the be all/ end all that many make? No, but it’s not totally nothing either.
It’s unacceptable to have officials doing games with Michigan, (or that directly affect Michigan), who have Michigan shrines in their home. At the very least it’s the appearance of impropriety and should never occur.
There’s a real lack of professionalism in the Big Ten. It’s the Midwest version of the southern ‘good ole boy’ network.
That said, I think why the Big Ten has failed so badly on the national scene, in general, is that it’s a very weak conference. It is organized to promote and live off of OSU and Michigan. There’s a Stockholm syndrome learned over the decades.
Schools like Illinois, Minny, Purdue, Northwestern, etc don’t really care about football. The players there do their best but, in general, expectations are low. There’s no real push or desire to be national champs. They’re happy with 6-7-8 wins as long as the money keeps coming in.
Compare that to the SEC which is cut throat. Just about every team is trying to win a national title, (minus Vandy, South Carolina, and Kentucky who just cares about basketball titles). They fight to improve and get to the top every year. The Big Ten teams (outside of OSU and UM)- not so much.
So while it’s blade sharpening blade in the SEC it’s traditionally a ‘whatever’ attitude by most in the Big Ten and a focus on ‘the game’ between OSU and Michigan to see who is going to the Rose bowl. For years in the Big Ten it was the Rose Bowl that was important, not the national title.
Michigan and Ohio St generally weren’t tested much in conference over the decades. Then they go to bowl games and tend to come up short.
It’s unacceptable to have officials doing games with Michigan, (or that directly affect Michigan), who have Michigan shrines in their home. At the very least it’s the appearance of impropriety and should never occur.
There’s a real lack of professionalism in the Big Ten. It’s the Midwest version of the southern ‘good ole boy’ network.
That said, I think why the Big Ten has failed so badly on the national scene, in general, is that it’s a very weak conference. It is organized to promote and live off of OSU and Michigan. There’s a Stockholm syndrome learned over the decades.
Schools like Illinois, Minny, Purdue, Northwestern, etc don’t really care about football. The players there do their best but, in general, expectations are low. There’s no real push or desire to be national champs. They’re happy with 6-7-8 wins as long as the money keeps coming in.
Compare that to the SEC which is cut throat. Just about every team is trying to win a national title, (minus Vandy, South Carolina, and Kentucky who just cares about basketball titles). They fight to improve and get to the top every year. The Big Ten teams (outside of OSU and UM)- not so much.
So while it’s blade sharpening blade in the SEC it’s traditionally a ‘whatever’ attitude by most in the Big Ten and a focus on ‘the game’ between OSU and Michigan to see who is going to the Rose bowl. For years in the Big Ten it was the Rose Bowl that was important, not the national title.
Michigan and Ohio St generally weren’t tested much in conference over the decades. Then they go to bowl games and tend to come up short.
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That’s the point. The “fluke” narrative was pushed by Herbstreit in his typical “aw..golly shucks” attitude which caused that perception by the committee by year’s end. Penn State’s DLine dominated that game for 3 of the 4 quarters.
As I said in a prior post…if the roles were reversed, the committee would’ve considered Herbie’s “teams should be rewarded for improvement during the year”, “head to head win over PSU”, and “Conference champion“ narrative.
It wasn't a Herbie narrative. It was how the large majority of people saw the game because if how we won.
No 2 loss team getting blown out by Michigan and losing to Pitt in 2016 wasn't getting in over Ohio State. If you didn't believe that then every year since has shown that they're consistent with that. The roles being reversed changes nothing. If we were 11-1 with a close loss to Ohio State in 2016 we'd have been a lock and you know it.
Stop playing the victim. The decision was correct.
It was definitely a Herbie narrative. I specifically remember listening to Sirius XM the next morning on the college sports talk station, and the host was discussing his conversation with Herbie after the game. Mentioned the “fluke“ narrative that he was fed…and every time Herbie appeared on any sports show, he would slip that in…in his most earnest Herbie voice, of course.
Alabama had more than 100 yards of offense than Auburn in 2013, but after Auburn returned the last second field goal for a TD, did the media consider that Kick Six game a ”fluke”?
So ask yourself…Why not?
It wasn't a Herbie narrative. Herbie doesn't control the world. Literally every non-Penn State fan said that from day one. Blaming Herbie explains why this board nonsensically doesn't think he's hold and claims he's biased when he's the best in the business by far--including Blackledge.
Yes, the Kick Six was considered a fluke as well.
Column: How a missed call in Illinois’ loss to Michigan may have led to the most lopsided national title game ever
It’s clear TCU was not remotely in the same area code as Georgia in the Horned Frogs’ 65-7 loss Monday in the College Football Playoff national championship game at SoFi Stadium. The ma…
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Figured I'd put this here. Some outside PSU land perspective.
No…the kick six game was considered as amazing…great game…great play…great battle between two bitter rivals. Never heard the talking heads call it fluky.
KH…Best in the business?!? Constant, non-stop yammering, with the most mind-numbing, superficial, state-the-obvious, never-take-a-breath “analysis”.
YIkes! If you think Herbie is great, you must be young.
I don't think there is a single person more influential to college football right now other than Herbie. I mean, did you see his schedule the last several months? Between his studio shows, the NFL on Amazon and his college football it is amazing. He did a national championship playoff game on Saturday and the Rose on Monday.
Ugly non call. 4th and 12 would have been the result….Column: How a missed call in Illinois’ loss to Michigan may have led to the most lopsided national title game ever
It’s clear TCU was not remotely in the same area code as Georgia in the Horned Frogs’ 65-7 loss Monday in the College Football Playoff national championship game at SoFi Stadium. The ma…
Figured I'd put this here. Some outside PSU land perspective.
Impossible to miss that call, unless you want to. You can even decide the front part of a foot is a separate limb from the back part.
Great game can still have a fluke winner
Almost 50...Herbie is widely considered the best in the business not just by me. And if you respond that 50 is young you're even more delusional. The NFL didn't hire him as well randomly.
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