Hunting Hitler. In search of the truth.

[Cosmos]

I am skeptical by nature. I am not naive. Any world leader worth his salt would have an escape plan. Fact: forty some German U-boats were unaccounted for at war's end. Fact: public sightings of German U-boats in Argentina post WWII, and not always off some remote beach. Regarding Misiones, Argentina, why would a two-story structure with 4 foot reinforced walls have windows!? It makes no sense. And why would china uncovered on site by archeologists bear the mark "Made in Germany" if it weren't made for export? Things that make you go hmmm. That said, it's entirely possible Hitler escaped Berlin via aircraft and received temporary asylum from Franco. And if he made it that far then it's probable he could hide from society until his natural demise some years later. After all, the world is a big place in which to hide, particularly before the advent of satellite surveillance. Exhibit A: Osama bin Laden. It's worthy of skeptical consideration. I thank you.

 

[psu00]

When does the second season of that show start?

 

[Lemmus]

When does the second season of that show start?

i think it debuted last night

 

[psu00]

i think it debuted last night

Thanks. I'll have to search for that episode.

 

[Fush Yumeng]

I am skeptical by nature. I am not naive. Any world leader worth his salt would have an escape plan. Fact: forty some German U-boats were unaccounted for at war's end. Fact: public sightings of German U-boats in Argentina post WWII, and not always off some remote beach. Regarding Misiones, Argentina, why would a two-story structure with 4 foot reinforced walls have windows!? It makes no sense. And why would china uncovered on site by archeologists bear the mark "Made in Germany" if it weren't made for export? Things that make you go hmmm. That said, it's entirely possible Hitler escaped Berlin via aircraft and received temporary asylum from Franco. And if he made it that far then it's probable he could hide from society until his natural demise some years later. After all, the world is a big place in which to hide, particularly before the advent of satellite surveillance. Exhibit A: Osama bin Laden. It's worthy of skeptical consideration. I thank you.

He died in Berlin. Hitler's dentist was captured after the war by the Americans. Two of his dental techs were captured by the Russians. Each independently reconstructed the details of Hitler's dental work from memory. Their reconstructions meshed completely, and they fit with the details of the dental work on the jaw fragments attributed to Hitler AND to the skull X-rays taken of him by his doctor after the July 20 bomb attempt. Bottom line, there is solid forensic proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Hitler died in Berlin. For a detailed account of the forensic exam go to http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf

 

[Thus Spake Mainer]

Saw that series, that show was complete BS. Spoiler alert, they did not come up with any firm 'evidence' or conclusions. AH was very sickly at the end, on a high cocktail of drugs, and would have dead in a few years regardless if he had escaped. He was also scared shitless of being caught, especially by the Russkies.

 

[psuro]

I think he is still among us. In different forms.

 

[Woodpecker]

I think he is still among us. In different forms.

On the BOT?

 

[lionlurker]

Or at one of competitor institutions? In the Big Ten front office? The possibilities are endless.

Perhaps he is a Big Ten referee.

 

[NittPicker]

Saw that series, that show was complete BS. Spoiler alert, they did not come up with any firm 'evidence' or conclusions. AH was very sickly at the end, on a high cocktail of drugs, and would have dead in a few years regardless if he had escaped. He was also scared shitless of being caught, especially by the Russkies.

I don't claim to be a historian of any sort but I watched some of that show last season and found their "evidence" to be extremely subjective and unconvincing. In one instance they found an old photograph about which they jumped to a number of wild conclusions which they assumed were true even though there was nothing else to support them. And remember the isolated house in Argentina which could only be approached by water? And how they acted like they were landing at Omaha Beach on D-Day just to have access? Check out the below link. Today a highway goes right past the house. But no, those guys had to do a dramatic water assault for the drama of it all.

I don't doubt there may have been plans to smuggle Hitler out of Europe but there's no real evidence to prove it happened. It wouldn't be shocking to learn there was infrastructure built to help facilitate the plan. History has proven other high ranking Nazis fled to South America, however, so there had to be plans made ahead of time. Fortunately Hitler was never able to take advantage of them.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-40.7153166,-71.7001001,400m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

 

[psuro]

On the BOT?

One of the places where Hitlerism has shown it's ugly face. But there are others.

 

[sluggo72]

I am skeptical by nature. I am not naive. Any world leader worth his salt would have an escape plan. Fact: forty some German U-boats were unaccounted for at war's end. Fact: public sightings of German U-boats in Argentina post WWII, and not always off some remote beach. Regarding Misiones, Argentina, why would a two-story structure with 4 foot reinforced walls have windows!? It makes no sense. And why would china uncovered on site by archeologists bear the mark "Made in Germany" if it weren't made for export? Things that make you go hmmm. That said, it's entirely possible Hitler escaped Berlin via aircraft and received temporary asylum from Franco. And if he made it that far then it's probable he could hide from society until his natural demise some years later. After all, the world is a big place in which to hide, particularly before the advent of satellite surveillance. Exhibit A: Osama bin Laden. It's worthy of skeptical consideration. I thank you.

well they found the U-869 off the coast of NJ when the German's had it lost near Madagascar. Pretty interesting reads. FWIW the Rouse's from Quakertown were lost diving on this wreck. The are in the book the "last Dive". This book talks about finding the U-869 http://shadowdivers2010.blogspot.com/

 

[jennjeffjoe]

He died in Berlin. Hitler's dentist was captured after the war by the Americans. Two of his dental techs were captured by the Russians. Each independently reconstructed the details of Hitler's dental work from memory. Their reconstructions meshed completely, and they fit with the details of the dental work on the jaw fragments attributed to Hitler AND to the skull X-rays taken of him by his doctor after the July 20 bomb attempt. Bottom line, there is solid forensic proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Hitler died in Berlin. For a detailed account of the forensic exam go to http://www.nl-aid.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Sognnaes.pdf

Thanks, good post. Its inconceivable to change or rewrite history as we know it,....especially when it involves the demise of one of histories most ruthless leaders.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

I am skeptical by nature. I am not naive. Any world leader worth his salt .

The thing is, he wasn't worth his salt.

 

[manatree]

I watched the entire season last year just to give it a fair chance. To me, their two biggest sources of evidence are nothing new. Yes, the US and other Allies intelligence agencies recorded and investigated leads and rumors about a Hitler escape. Just like they tracked down and actually captured many top Nazis. Yes, there is a sizeable German presence in Argentina. Germans have been immigrating to Argentina since the 1800s. And yes, it has been a widely known, if overlooked fact that the Perons had deep ties to the Nazis as well as many other charming people like Franco. But hey, it still made for a charming musical.

If you watch this series (at least the first season) with any objectivity, you will see that their leaps of faith and assumptions of proof are so large as to rival the folks on the Ancient Aliens show.

Lastly, consider how long it takes to film their exploits, edit, package and market it for the current/next season. If they had actually found any credible evidence of Hitler's escape, do you really think that news of that magnitude would not have leaked out?

 

[psu00]

I watched the entire season last year just to give it a fair chance. To me, their two biggest sources of evidence are nothing new. Yes, the US and other Allies intelligence agencies recorded and investigated leads and rumors about a Hitler escape. Just like they tracked down and actually captured many top Nazis. Yes, there is a sizeable German presence in Argentina. Germans have been immigrating to Argentina since the 1800s. And yes, it has been a widely known, if overlooked fact that the Perons had deep ties to the Nazis as well as many other charming people like Franco. But hey, it still made for a charming musical.

If you watch this series (at least the first season) with any objectivity, you will see that their leaps of faith and assumptions of proof are so large as to rival the folks on the Ancient Aliens show.

Lastly, consider how long it takes to film their exploits, edit, package and market it for the current/next season. If they had actually found any credible evidence of Hitler's escape, do you really think that news of that magnitude would not have leaked out?

It would have leaked out except the aliens helped them to keep it quiet.

I saw part of the episode and they insinuate they have a picture in Argentina post war of Hitler that is a very close match with facial recognition. I can tell already that it will be inconclusive from a technicality but close enough to get season 3!

 

[LionDeNittany]

Any world leader worth his salt would have an escape plan.

Here's your issue. He wasn't worth his salt unless you're talking bath salts.

He was completely drugged out in the end.

LdN

 

[Cletus11]

Hitler had to have an escape plan and an elaborate one. I would bet he had at least 3 separate plans that he had planned out since the first days of the war. One via North and the Baltic Sea via U-boat, one through Switzerland assuming he was in the South of Germany, and a third via aircraft through wherever. It is only logical. And South America is where he would have had to have gone as he wasn't going to Asia as he would stick out. Same with Africa. Cannot stay in Europe, North America, or Russia. So he goes to South America where there is a large European population, they weren't really in WWII, and was generally sparsely populated. Did he ever get there, nobody will ever know and at this point I am not really sure it matters.

 

[crm114psu]

I am skeptical by nature. I am not naive. Any world leader worth his salt would have an escape plan. Fact: forty some German U-boats were unaccounted for at war's end. Fact: public sightings of German U-boats in Argentina post WWII, and not always off some remote beach. Regarding Misiones, Argentina, why would a two-story structure with 4 foot reinforced walls have windows!? It makes no sense. And why would china uncovered on site by archeologists bear the mark "Made in Germany" if it weren't made for export? Things that make you go hmmm. That said, it's entirely possible Hitler escaped Berlin via aircraft and received temporary asylum from Franco. And if he made it that far then it's probable he could hide from society until his natural demise some years later. After all, the world is a big place in which to hide, particularly before the advent of satellite surveillance. Exhibit A: Osama bin Laden. It's worthy of skeptical consideration. I thank you.

For a moment let us assume that Hitler successfully escaped to Argentina. I would seriously doubt that a person of his ego would be willing to maintain an underground existence. We are talking about a former head of state, not some rebel cave dweller like bin Laden. Hitler thrived in the mode of building a world empire, he wasn't going to be satisfied sitting around in a basement playing Risk as a substitute.

 

[Cletus11]

For a moment let us assume that Hitler successfully escaped to Argentina. I would seriously doubt that a person of his ego would be willing to maintain an underground existence. We are talking about a former head of state, not some rebel cave dweller like bin Laden. Hitler thrived in the mode of building a world empire, he wasn't going to be satisfied sitting around in a basement playing Risk as a substitute.

That is true. Maybe he died en route. Maybe he died within a short period of time of arriving and was so sick he couldn't get out. who knows. I don't think it matters as i am 100% sure he is dead now.

 

[preshlock]

Actually Hitler considered relocating his headquarters to Bavaria. But decided to fight to the end in Berlin. Well established that he committed suicide by poison and pistol as the Red Army was approaching the Bunker. As for the U-Boats the Third Reich and Argentina had fairly good diplomatic relations. Also early in the war the Panzerschiffe Graff Spee was scuttled off the River Platte and the crew were interned in Argentina. Much was made of the good treatment the sailors received. When the conflict ended there were over 30 U-Boats at sea and several made for the supposedly friendly waters of Argentina.

 

[Nitt1300]

By the time he would have left Berlin, it was surrounded by Allied armies. The Allies also had air supremacy all over Germany by that point. It just seems unlikely to me that he could have escaped at that time. Had he left Berlin a couple of months earlier- sure, it would have been possible- maybe even easy. But he was known to have been in Berlin very near the end- he was trapped.

 

[Cletus11]

By the time he would have left Berlin, it was surrounded by Allied armies. The Allies also had air supremacy all over Germany by that point. It just seems unlikely to me that he could have escaped at that time. Had he left Berlin a couple of months earlier- sure, it would have been possible- maybe even easy. But he was known to have been in Berlin very near the end- he was trapped.

To think that Hitler could not have figured out a plan to get from Berlin to Baltic sea is ludicrous with 2+ years to plan it and unlimited resources. It was still Germany and although the Allies obviously occupied it, they didn't have every square foot covered. Only need a few safehouses (or underground bunkers that were hidden in the woods specifically for this purpose) to stay at along the way. Talking 140 miles to the coast, like going from Lancaster, PA to the Jersey shore. Could have been done in 3 nights by foot easy.

 

[kgilbert78]

To think that Hitler could not have figured out a plan to get from Berlin to Baltic sea is ludicrous with 2+ years to plan it and unlimited resources. It was still Germany and although the Allies obviously occupied it, they didn't have every square foot covered. Only need a few safehouses (or underground bunkers that were hidden in the woods specifically for this purpose) to stay at along the way. Talking 140 miles to the coast, like going from Lancaster, PA to the Jersey shore. Could have been done in 3 nights by foot easy.

That's almost 50 miles--on foot--per night.

For a healthy person, maybe. Hitler was not, at the end.

 

[preshlock]

To think that Hitler could not have figured out a plan to get from Berlin to Baltic sea is ludicrous with 2+ years to plan it and unlimited resources. It was still Germany and although the Allies obviously occupied it, they didn't have every square foot covered. Only need a few safehouses (or underground bunkers that were hidden in the woods specifically for this purpose) to stay at along the way. Talking 140 miles to the coast, like going from Lancaster, PA to the Jersey shore. Could have been done in 3 nights by foot easy.

After Hitler committed suicide several groups of Nazi higher ups, senior officers, and staff attempted to breakout of the Bunker. None made it more than a couple of blocks. Berlin was swarming with Soviet troops.

 

[Ian]

How do you think all the brilliant German scientists came to America? There was a deal with the Allies knew the Germans were very close. Scary to even think about but they almost had it. The Germans did not want the soviets to have it so they did a deal with the allies in exchange for their safety. An awful lot of Nazi war criminals escaped and it is very plausible Hilter was one of them. If he did, he didn't live long but it would seem that a very active Nazi community was in South America and was living very well.

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

The series is complete BS. Hitler was found many years ago, so why isn't the series called "We Already Found Hitler". Linked is proof that is more legitimate than anything in the crap the History Channel shows..



Seriously, if you believe anything on The History Channel, please send me your e-mail so I can score some bank with some phishing schemes.

 

[Nitt1300]

To think that Hitler could not have figured out a plan to get from Berlin to Baltic sea is ludicrous with 2+ years to plan it and unlimited resources. It was still Germany and although the Allies obviously occupied it, they didn't have every square foot covered. Only need a few safehouses (or underground bunkers that were hidden in the woods specifically for this purpose) to stay at along the way. Talking 140 miles to the coast, like going from Lancaster, PA to the Jersey shore. Could have been done in 3 nights by foot easy.

Sure, anyone could have figured out a plan.

To think that it would be easy- or even possible- to execute such a plan when surrounded by literally millions of enemy troops and with no air cover or the ability to use any road, now that IS ludicrous

 

[manatree]

If anyone likes satire, I highly recommend this book:

Look who's back
Vermes, Timur. New York : MacLehose Press, Quercus, 2015.

He's back. Berlin, Summer 2011. Adolf Hitler wakes up on a patch of ground, alive and well. Things have changed - no Eva Braun, no Nazi party, no war. Hitler barely recognizes his beloved Fatherland, filled with immigrants and run by a woman. And he's führious. People certainly recognize him, albeit as a flawless impersonator who refuses to break character. The unthinkable, the inevitable happens, and the ranting Hitler goes viral, becomes a Youtube star, gets his own T.V. show, and people begin to listen. But the Führer has another programme with even greater ambition - to set the country he finds a shambles back to rights.


Review: In ‘Look Who’s Back,’ Hitler Returns and He’s Amusing
Books of The Times
By JANET MASLIN APRIL 26, 2015

 

[manatree]

Rumors that he escaped to Scotland, as well.... NSFW

 

[Fush Yumeng]

Hitler had to have an escape plan and an elaborate one. I would bet he had at least 3 separate plans that he had planned out since the first days of the war. One via North and the Baltic Sea via U-boat, one through Switzerland assuming he was in the South of Germany, and a third via aircraft through wherever. It is only logical. And South America is where he would have had to have gone as he wasn't going to Asia as he would stick out. Same with Africa. Cannot stay in Europe, North America, or Russia. So he goes to South America where there is a large European population, they weren't really in WWII, and was generally sparsely populated. Did he ever get there, nobody will ever know and at this point I am not really sure it matters.

Hitler saw himself as the central figure in a real-life grand Wagnerian opera. If the Reich couldn't emerge triumphant, then he and Germany would go down together in a great flaming spectacle.

 

[Fush Yumeng]

How do you think all the brilliant German scientists came to America? There was a deal with the Allies knew the Germans were very close. Scary to even think about but they almost had it. The Germans did not want the soviets to have it so they did a deal with the allies in exchange for their safety. An awful lot of Nazi war criminals escaped and it is very plausible Hilter was one of them. If he did, he didn't live long but it would seem that a very active Nazi community was in South America and was living very well.

Nobody was going to make any kind of deal with Hitler, he was too toxic to touch. The tech they developed was all there for the taking. We helped ourselves as did the Russians.

 

[Fush Yumeng]

For a moment let us assume that Hitler successfully escaped to Argentina. I would seriously doubt that a person of his ego would be willing to maintain an underground existence. We are talking about a former head of state, not some rebel cave dweller like bin Laden. Hitler thrived in the mode of building a world empire, he wasn't going to be satisfied sitting around in a basement playing Risk as a substitute.

Exactly. He spent 12 years as one of the greatest megalomaniacs in human history. You don't just shut that off, like throwing a switch.

 

[dawgduice]

Hitler, got to love him

 

[manatree]

Nobody was going to make any kind of deal with Hitler, he was too toxic to touch. The tech they developed was all there for the taking. We helped ourselves as did the Russians.

We would have cut a deal with Hitler if he had something we wanted badly enough. Look at the deal we cut with Stalin for crying out loud. Could the Western Allies won without him? Who knows, but we made a deal with one devil to defeat another.

 

[Fush Yumeng]

We would have cut a deal with Hitler if he had something we wanted badly enough. Look at the deal we cut with Stalin for crying out loud. Could the Western Allies won without him? Who knows, but we made a deal with one devil to defeat another.

What would we have needed Hitler for that couldn't be gotten without him?

 

[Still in State College]

The series is complete BS. Hitler was found many years ago, so why isn't the series called "We Already Found Hitler". Linked is proof that is more legitimate than anything in the crap the History Channel shows..

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Seriously, if you believe anything on The History Channel, please send me your e-mail so I can score some bank with some phishing schemes.

 

[Cletus11]

So what you are saying is there is no chance that in the 2+ years Hitler had that he didn't construct a secret tunnel out of Berlin central to the outskirts. And that he wouldn't have known the Allies were closing in an left through said tunnel a couple of days before the Allies (Russians) stormed Berlin such that he could get out into the German countryside. Then he has to get the 140 miles from the Berlin outskirts to the coast. Once he is at the coast, he has a secret bunker set up with a transmission at a certain time each night when his personal U-Boat would surface waiting for him to call. All of those are not only plausible, but not sure how Hitler would not have done them. So it would be could Hitler get from the Berlin outskirts to the Northern Coast without being detected.

 

[Fush Yumeng]

So what you are saying is there is no chance that in the 2+ years Hitler had that he didn't construct a secret tunnel out of Berlin central to the outskirts. And that he wouldn't have known the Allies were closing in an left through said tunnel a couple of days before the Allies (Russians) stormed Berlin such that he could get out into the German countryside. Then he has to get the 140 miles from the Berlin outskirts to the coast. Once he is at the coast, he has a secret bunker set up with a transmission at a certain time each night when his personal U-Boat would surface waiting for him to call. All of those are not only plausible, but not sure how Hitler would not have done them. So it would be could Hitler get from the Berlin outskirts to the Northern Coast without being detected.

Bear in mind that Hitler was still totally confident of victory until the final weeks of the war. He likely wouldn't have planned an escape route because he didn't think he would need one. When you believe that you are a Man of Destiny and that God has chosen you to restore greatness to your people you don't need a backup plan.

 

[AZCat]

If anyone likes satire, I highly recommend this book:

Look who's back
Vermes, Timur. New York : MacLehose Press, Quercus, 2015.

The movie is also very well done. The actor who played Hitler got flipped out by the large number of Germans who gave him the NAZI salute while they were filming in public.