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I think you are all wrong on the last play

oh well. It's one play and it's a bad loss.

In all honesty, we are far better than where we were under Paterno. Franklin has truly gotten the program to a top 10 level, where it has not consistently been since the early 1990s.

It's frustrating to see the OSU game fall apart like that two years in a row. But, the program is still in a better place than we have seen it in a long, long time.
 
I liked the call. But of course you can criticize it because it didn’t work. They were keying on Trace and expected him to run it. There were probably 10 plays on offense alone that cost us the game including the missed field goal, the offensive pass interference, the pass that was batted down to stop our drive on 4th down, etc. And when OSU needed two scores we couldn’t stop them. That was the bigger reason for the loss.
 
oh well. It's one play and it's a bad loss.

In all honesty, we are far better than where we were under Paterno. Franklin has truly gotten the program to a top 10 level, where it has not consistently been since the early 1990s.

It's frustrating to see the OSU game fall apart like that two years in a row. But, the program is still in a better place than we have seen it in a long, long time.
Nailed it. Really exciting and entertaining game. A team that can compete with anyone. Relentless recruiters across the board. Boys that play with fire. Amazing stadium experience. It's a good time to be a fan. Stop the petty whining over minutiae
 
Your correct, and OSU disguised their front. DE crashed on Trace and the stunted the back side to take out Sanders.

The call wasn't and RPO , there was no pass option. It was a designed run play. I think what everyone is upset about is Trace killed them all night taking one pass read and running when it wasn't there. Personally, I'd have went with wh as t worked all night. They just over thought the situation imho.
 
I agree, he could have pulled it to run or throw. Perhaps the coaches were giving him the option to read it. But as others have said, people will criticize because it didn’t work.
 
I am excited to have a coach who is willing to pass between the hash marks. Half of our B1G losses under Paterno were caused by allowing the sidelines to be the twelfth and thirteenth defenders by not passing between the hash marks. I am thrilled with coach Franklin. We are losing to better teams. We will get better.

Osu wasn’t better tonight.
 
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In the RPO, it was Trace’s decision to leave the ball in Sanders hands.

Watch the replay, Trace was handing the ball off to Sanders all the way. The staff made use of the three timeouts to call a designed run on 4th and 5 with Sanders being handed the football 5 yards deep in the backfield (i.e., 10 yards away from the 1st down marker).
 
Your correct, and OSU disguised their front. DE crashed on Trace and the stunted the back side to take out Sanders.

The call wasn't and RPO , there was no pass option. It was a designed run play. I think what everyone is upset about is Trace killed them all night taking one pass read and running when it wasn't there. Personally, I'd have went with wh as t worked all night. They just over thought the situation imho.
It probably would have worked IF #71 Will Fries made his block. However, once again Fries failed to "block down" and allowed the defender to shoot the inside gap... If you replay that last play, you'll notice that he initially blocks to the outside and then gets caught twirling in the hole and almost attempts to grab the defender who's slicing in for the kill. Disguised or not... the dude gets fooled way too often on those reads when it's something taught in junior high school... BLOCK DOWN for cripes sakes!!! OR, he just doesn't have the speed/agility to make that critical block?
 
It probably would have worked IF #71 Will Fries made his block. However, once again Fries failed to "block down" and allowed the defender to shoot the inside gap... If you replay that last play, you'll notice that he initially blocks to the outside and then gets caught twirling in the hole and almost attempts to grab the defender who's slicing in for the kill. Disguised or not... the dude gets fooled way too often on those reads when it's something taught in junior high school... BLOCK DOWN for cripes sakes!!! OR, he just doesn't have the speed/agility to make that critical block?
He got the ball ten yards from a first down against one of the elite defenses in the country.
 
He got the ball ten yards from a first down against one of the elite defenses in the country.

But... ALL of their running plays start 5 yards in the backfield by the nature of their offense... They don't take snaps from under center... I'm all for developing a more powerful formation for short yardage purpose.
 
But... ALL of their running plays start 5 yards in the backfield by the nature of their offense... They don't take snaps from under center... I'm all for developing a more powerful formation for short yardage purpose.
4th and 5 isn’t short yardage. It was a crap call and worse execution.
 
But... ALL of their running plays start 5 yards in the backfield by the nature of their offense... They don't take snaps from under center... I'm all for developing a more powerful formation for short yardage purpose.

We can "develop a more powerful formation for short yardage purpose" but with our offensive line it's going nowhere.
 
oh well. It's one play and it's a bad loss.

In all honesty, we are far better than where we were under Paterno. Franklin has truly gotten the program to a top 10 level, where it has not consistently been since the early 1990s.

It's frustrating to see the OSU game fall apart like that two years in a row. But, the program is still in a better place than we have seen it in a long, long time.
This is exactly right! We are not a perennially a top 10 program. It will take another great effort and more athletes and experience to move from top 10 program into top 5 program as we are going against programs that have been at that level for years.
 
Yes the last play was bad, but even worse to me was the sight of our back seven looking totally incapable of bringing down OSU in the open field
 
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OSU sacked us four times and had 11 tackles for loss... And Miles Sanders only had four runs over five yards... So any idea of an RPO or slow-developing run in that play should be considered one of the worst calls in the history of college football... Ryan Bates and that entire group got abused all night... We had no business running the football there under any down and distance
 
But... ALL of their running plays start 5 yards in the backfield by the nature of their offense... They don't take snaps from under center... I'm all for developing a more powerful formation for short yardage purpose.
Absolutely agree. When your fourth and the length of a football away we have no sneak play.
 
I liked the call. But of course you can criticize it because it didn’t work. They were keying on Trace and expected him to run it. There were probably 10 plays on offense alone that cost us the game including the missed field goal, the offensive pass interference, the pass that was batted down to stop our drive on 4th down, etc. And when OSU needed two scores we couldn’t stop them. That was the bigger reason for the loss.
Right on many but pass interference was inconsequential. Trace was over the line of scrimmage.
 
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A much better play would have been a pass and to line up Stevens at WR. Stevens would have drawn attention away from someone else and it would have been legitimately confusing for OSU.

It appeared that Franklin called the exact same play both before and after he called the second time out.
 
Yes the last play was bad, but even worse to me was the sight of our back seven looking totally incapable of bringing down OSU in the open field
On the OSU TD to get within 5 TCF made a brutal tackle attempt. It was a wrap up play and he tried for a blunt force takedown. Really bad technique.
 
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I liked the call. But of course you can criticize it because it didn’t work. They were keying on Trace and expected him to run it. There were probably 10 plays on offense alone that cost us the game including the missed field goal, the offensive pass interference, the pass that was batted down to stop our drive on 4th down, etc. And when OSU needed two scores we couldn’t stop them. That was the bigger reason for the loss.
Oh sure...you with your fancy facts and reason. Now, knock it off and grab your damn pitchfork!
 
oh well. It's one play and it's a bad loss.

In all honesty, we are far better than where we were under Paterno. Franklin has truly gotten the program to a top 10 level, where it has not consistently been since the early 1990s.

It's frustrating to see the OSU game fall apart like that two years in a row. But, the program is still in a better place than we have seen it in a long, long time.
We played for the FG inside their ten in Columbus last year late in the game. We will learn.
 
Not sure what you were watching, but that play had zero chance. Nada.
Neither the give to Sanders, nor any possible “keep” for McSorley.

Zip

Wouldn’t have mattered if Superman was in the backfield

Yep. I described the play/situation to my wife this morning (she was smart and in bed, I woke her up, sorry honey...) and she was incredulous why you'd do a straight hand-off run play with 5 yards to go (more than "short yardage" certainly). Her only explanation was that maybe PSU was hoping OSU wasn't expecting it and PSU thought it'd work. I am something of a contrarian by nature but that's getting close to pretzel logic.

As I said in the other thread, take the FG and go for the 1 point and not two and all this conversation this morning would not be happening.
 
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