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Do you guys think Franklin needs to address the situation a bit? I get it, coaches leave all the time, but with 2 years under Franklin's direction:
1. The O-coordinator fired
2. The D-Coordinator leaves for a lateral basically
3. The O-line coach leaves for a lateral basically

For a guy that talks about being fiercely loyal to his staff, they don't seem to be returning the favor. I am not saying this is cause for hysteria, just would it be professional for Franklin to call a quick presser or offer an interview and say something to the effect of "Look, some of these guys thought they had better opportunities elsewhere, or had personal reasons to leave, we feel more than confident that we can replace them and maintain our wonderful recruits." Just something besides crickets. Maybe not?
 
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We had two years of the worst offensive line performance in PSU history. Why would you think that Hand's job would be secure? Why would you be concerned about Herb leaving, whether he was pushed out or not. Talk about hot seats. That line had a bunch of guys with 20 plus starts on it, and they still looked like dog crap against Georgia. At some point, you need to try a different approach.
 
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Herb needed to get out!! He saw the writing on the wall if there was no improvement next year! Better to get out now, than be fired next season. Obviously he was a liability, and HE knew what was eventually coming.

Love the good news coming out of PSU!!
 
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We had two years of the worst offensive line performance in PSU history. Why would you think that Hand's job would be secure? Why would you be concerned about Herb leaving, whether he was pushed out or not. Talk about hot seats. That line had a bunch of guys with 20 plus starts on it, and they still looked like dog crap against Georgia. At some point, you need to try a different approach.
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Oh, I am not excusing his performance in anyway nor do I think his job should have been safe necessarily, but then fire him. I mean, we can agree that there is at least a mild PR hit to Penn State under the direction of Franklin, one that recruits have to feel a bit and for all of his faults, supposedly Hand did have some good relationships with recruits.
 
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ram2020 said:
Do you guys think Franklin needs to address the situation a bit? I get it, coaches leave all the time, but with 2 years under Franklin's direction:
1. The O-coordinator fired
2. The D-Coordinator leaves for a lateral basically
3. The O-line coach leaves for a lateral basically

For a guy that talks about being fiercely loyal to his staff, they don't seem to be returning the favor. I am not saying this is cause for hysteria, just would it be professional for Franklin to call a quick presser or offer an interview and say something to the effect of "Look, some of these guys thought they had better opportunities elsewhere, or had personal reasons to leave, we feel more than confident that we can replace them and maintain our wonderful recruits." Just something besides crickets. Maybe not?
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If he does leave - which I think is nothing but internet/social media chatter - PSU will still have a lot less turnover the last two years than the average D1 program.

But we have Drama Queens hyperventilating :)
 
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ram2020 said:
Do you guys think Franklin needs to address the situation a bit? I get it, coaches leave all the time, but with 2 years under Franklin's direction:
1. The O-coordinator fired
2. The D-Coordinator leaves for a lateral basically
3. The O-line coach leaves for a lateral basically

For a guy that talks about being fiercely loyal to his staff, they don't seem to be returning the favor. I am not saying this is cause for hysteria, just would it be professional for Franklin to call a quick presser or offer an interview and say something to the effect of "Look, some of these guys thought they had better opportunities elsewhere, or had personal reasons to leave, we feel more than confident that we can replace them and maintain our wonderful recruits." Just something besides crickets. Maybe not?
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No offense but it's not really Franklin's job to make sure the fans or general public have a warm and fuzzy feeling 24/7 about the program if they want to overreact to every hiccup on social media or worst case scenario their mind can dream up. Change is constant in college football today.

I think when you look back at the past month, Franklin has been prepared for staff shakeups and I doubt he was bending over backwards to keep Shoop given his yearly demand and having Pry in waiting.... nor Hand given the criticism the OL has had over the past 2 years. This isn't really a knock on Shoop or Hand as much as to say "look, both sides can benefit from exploring other options".
 
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New OFF Co is a huge step up and a move that needed to be made

New Def Co is a replacement for a guy who is a known job hopper and has been looking to leave for a while. At worst this is a push and perhaps a step up

Our O Line has been awful. I think Moorhead has a system he wants to run and Hand can not coach it. Again a step up.

Add to the above the class Franklin is bringing in and the young players who started to step up this year.


I see the arrow pointing up and see 2016 as an exciting year. I do not see why so many on this board are so negative.
 
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Okay, thanks for answering my question, just wanted to get the board's perspective and I think i got it loud and clear. Just to reiterate, I was not hyperventilating, being overly negative, or feeling the need for "warm and fuzzies 24/7 from Franklin, I was just simply asking if it would be considered professional to at minimum address the coaching transitions in a constructive way for both the fans and the recruits. Apparently, many of you think it is totally unnecessary so you answered my question...thanks.
 
ram2020 said:
Oh, I am not excusing his performance in anyway nor do I think his job should have been safe necessarily, but then fire him. I mean, we can agree that there is at least a mild PR hit to Penn State under the direction of Franklin, one that recruits have to feel a bit and for all of his faults, supposedly Hand did have some good relationships with recruits.
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Hand was a friend of Franklin. Is that the way to do a friend? Or is it nicer to let the guy find a nice landing spot? I don't have any problem with it.
 
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ram2020 said:
Do you guys think Franklin needs to address the situation a bit? I get it, coaches leave all the time, but with 2 years under Franklin's direction:
1. The O-coordinator fired
2. The D-Coordinator leaves for a lateral basically
3. The O-line coach leaves for a lateral basically

For a guy that talks about being fiercely loyal to his staff, they don't seem to be returning the favor. I am not saying this is cause for hysteria, just would it be professional for Franklin to call a quick presser or offer an interview and say something to the effect of "Look, some of these guys thought they had better opportunities elsewhere, or had personal reasons to leave, we feel more than confident that we can replace them and maintain our wonderful recruits." Just something besides crickets. Maybe not?
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I ask myself WHY the OC was fired. Is it because CJF wanted to, or because the fan base and nearly every media outlet reporting on Penn State criticized Donovan's play calling and lack of creativity. I'm not convinced Franklin would have fired Donovan had it not been for the wolves calling for Donovan's head. That said, maybe Shoop left because his neck may be on the line next year. Imagine the media & fan base if our defense goes down hill next year after losing 3 future NFL DL. Who on this board has NOT criticized Herb Hand. probably more so than Donovan, for the lack of development in the OL. Maybe he did the best with what he was given to work with. If Hand goes, how many on this board will honestly say they are not happy that he is gone? Again, maybe HH is looking to leave because he has heard enough criticism to warrant it.
 
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ram2020 said:
Do you guys think Franklin needs to address the situation a bit? I get it, coaches leave all the time, but with 2 years under Franklin's direction:
1. The O-coordinator fired
2. The D-Coordinator leaves for a lateral basically
3. The O-line coach leaves for a lateral basically

For a guy that talks about being fiercely loyal to his staff, they don't seem to be returning the favor. I am not saying this is cause for hysteria, just would it be professional for Franklin to call a quick presser or offer an interview and say something to the effect of "Look, some of these guys thought they had better opportunities elsewhere, or had personal reasons to leave, we feel more than confident that we can replace them and maintain our wonderful recruits." Just something besides crickets. Maybe not?
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Not bothered at all, wish him luck, hopefully we will hire an offensive line coach familiar with our new offensive coordinator's system.
 
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Well Moorhead had former PSU grad assistant Tyler Bowen as his OL coach last year so maybe this is who comes in because he is familiar with Moorhead's style of offense and blocking schemes.

Now Franklin is in the big leagues so no more hiding in the weeds at Vanderbilt and using the buddy system. Remember how well that worked for OB naming Butler DC when Roof left?
 
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Over on TOOS they are saying that Menet has already said he wouldn't be effected by Hand's departure. Two other OL are early entries. Only Fries left, and he's seemed like he is a rock solid PSU guy. Think there isn't much to be worried about on the recruiting side.
 
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Im pretty much wishing Hand leaves.
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He's gone James from State College needs a press conference yesterday...
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Franklin's getting two more years minimum, even then, boosters will have to be want change for it to happen. Its not coming from Sandy. She probably realizes the difficulty of the roster constraints, OL troubles etc.
 
ram2020 said:
Do you guys think Franklin needs to address the situation a bit? I get it, coaches leave all the time, but with 2 years under Franklin's direction:
1. The O-coordinator fired
2. The D-Coordinator leaves for a lateral basically
3. The O-line coach leaves for a lateral basically

For a guy that talks about being fiercely loyal to his staff, they don't seem to be returning the favor. I am not saying this is cause for hysteria, just would it be professional for Franklin to call a quick presser or offer an interview and say something to the effect of "Look, some of these guys thought they had better opportunities elsewhere, or had personal reasons to leave, we feel more than confident that we can replace them and maintain our wonderful recruits." Just something besides crickets. Maybe not?
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First, remember that Hand hoped to get the Vandy position and clearly wanted to be a head coach. He was second in seniority on Franklin's offensive staff but was passed over for an outside hire to offensive coordinator. Essentially, he wasn't getting an OC position at PSU, which wasn't helping him get to a head coach position. With Donovan gone he was essentially the next guy to go if the OL faltered next year. So he was proactive in making the narrative that he returned to the SEC with Malzahn, who was the co-OC at Hand with Hand's most successful OLs rather than being let go.

I'd rather not lose coaches this close to LOI day, but the bottom line is that it is probably easiest for a complete reset rather than stepwise departures of the OC and OL coaches.
 
Well...al the oline guys arrived did they not? Is it coincidence that the first day of official classes and Menet and Mcg are on campus officially, Hand leaves????
 
NCLION said:
New OFF Co is a huge step up and a move that needed to be made

New Def Co is a replacement for a guy who is a known job hopper and has been looking to leave for a while. At worst this is a push and perhaps a step up

Our O Line has been awful. I think Moorhead has a system he wants to run and Hand can not coach it. Again a step up.

Add to the above the class Franklin is bringing in and the young players who started to step up this year.


I see the arrow pointing up and see 2016 as an exciting year. I do not see why so many on this board are so negative.
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Totally agree with you - sounds like a better deal going fwd to me!!!
 
We are about to see how deep Coach Franklin's list of potential coaching candidates goes. I hope he finds a young coach with energy who has a feel for the spread offense.
 
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We are about to see how deep Coach Franklin's list of potential coaching candidates goes. I hope he finds a young coach with energy who has a feel for the spread offense.
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I know people hate when ex-penn state players are brought up for openings, but Jeff Hartings was an awesome college and pro player. Wonder what he's up to?
 
Hand just got promoted it seems...
"As I've said from day one, I want my guys to get the opportunity to be head coaches," Franklin said last month. "I don't want them to ever leave for lateral moves."
 
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