If we can’t beat Ohio State

[Patterson825]

If we can’t beat Ohio State this year I honestly don’t think it’s ever going to happen again.

They lost 14 players to the draft including their starting QB. Their QB room is pretty weak in my opinion not really impressed with Julian Sayin.

Penn State returns Drew Allar, Singleton, and Kaytron. Offensive line is in good shape and tight end room is probably best in the country. I think the WR room will be significantly better this year. Jim Knowles is an upgrade over Tom Allen.

Yes I know Ohio State recruits really well and they got a few decent transfers but if we can’t beat them this year it’s not happening anytime soon. This should be the best Penn State team we’ve had since we beat Wisconsin for conference title (only if Barkley and Mcsorely had an offensive line when they played here).

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

If we can’t beat Ohio State this year I honestly don’t think it’s ever going to happen again.

They lost 14 players to the draft including their starting QB. Their QB room is pretty weak in my opinion not really impressed with Julian Sayin.

Penn State returns Drew Allar, Singleton, and Kaytron. Offensive line is in good shape and tight end room is probably best in the country. I think the WR room will be significantly better this year. Jim Knowles is an upgrade over Tom Allen.

Yes I know Ohio State recruits really well and they got a few decent transfers but if we can’t beat them this year it’s not happening anytime soon. This should be the best Penn State team we’ve had since we beat Wisconsin for conference title (only if Barkley and Mcsorely had an offensive line when they played here).

Thanks for the most idiotic post of the boards existence. Seek help!

 

[jimarnp]

If we can’t beat Ohio State this year I honestly don’t think it’s ever going to happen again.

They lost 14 players to the draft including their starting QB. Their QB room is pretty weak in my opinion not really impressed with Julian Sayin.

Penn State returns Drew Allar, Singleton, and Kaytron. Offensive line is in good shape and tight end room is probably best in the country. I think the WR room will be significantly better this year. Jim Knowles is an upgrade over Tom Allen.

Yes I know Ohio State recruits really well and they got a few decent transfers but if we can’t beat them this year it’s not happening anytime soon. This should be the best Penn State team we’ve had since we beat Wisconsin for conference title (only if Barkley and Mcsorely had an offensive line when they played here).

It’s May.— Relax, take a vacation, go fishing, go golfing. Come back in August.

 

[Safety Blitz]

Thanks for the most idiotic post of the boards existence. Seek help!

C’mon Rip. Not saying I disagree with your point, but can’t we play nice.
It’s spring. The nice weather has finally arrived and I think most PSU fans agree we should have a pretty good team to watch in the fall. Why climb up in another poster’s grill?
It’s the insults and petty name-calling that make this board intolerable much of the time. Don’t understand why typing “I disagree” and moving on is so difficult. A little civility can go a long way.
Thanks….and have a great summer!

 

[Nittany1997]

I think we have a good shot, a lot to be excited about!

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

C’mon Rip. Not saying I disagree with your point, but can’t we play nice.
It’s spring. The nice weather has finally arrived and I think most PSU fans agree we should have a pretty good team to watch in the fall. Why climb up in another poster’s grill?
It’s the insults and petty name-calling that make this board intolerable much of the time. Don’t understand why typing “I disagree” and moving on is so difficult. A little civility can go a long way.
Thanks….and have a great summer!

The word never needs banned regardless of the opinion being stated. Gee, I 🤔 I was expressing my thought using the civility of our times. Shucks.

 

[Obliviax]

The word never needs banned regardless of the opinion being stated. Gee, I 🤔 I was expressing my thought using the civility of our times. Shucks.

Agreed. It hasn't been done until it is done. Don't defeat yourself. Don't give in to negativity. But I get that this is a message board and posters are free to post their frustrations and doubts. I am looking forward to this season and letting it play out.

 

[PSU20]

Bottom Line: If this OL keeps getting stuffed at the LOS during crucial situations, well have no chance. I get really tired at watching Larry Johnson celebrating on the sidelines year after year when he DL stops us inside the 5YL or even on the goal line. It has happened so many times.

It happened again last year; at the Shoe a few years back when we were up 28-10 and still lost; at the Beav a few years back when McSorley has 175 yards rushing, yet on the final 4th down we handed off to the RB and ran right at the best DL in the country for about a 2 yard loss. Pathetic!

This OL has to move the Buckeyes off the LOS like UM did for 3 years for us to have any chance to best them.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Bottom Line: If this OL keeps getting stuffed at the LOS during crucial situations, well have no chance. I get really tired at watching Larry Johnson celebrating on the sidelines year after year when he DL stops us inside the 5YL or even on the goal line. It has happened so many times.

It happened again last year; at the Shoe a few years back when we were up 28-10 and still lost; at the Beav a few years back when McSorley has 175 yards rushing, yet on the final 4th down we handed off to the RB and ran right at the best DL in the country for about a 2 yard loss. Pathetic!

This OL has to move the Buckeyes off the LOS like UM did for 3 years for us to have any chance to best them.

It’s wierd how obvious owning the line of scrimmage is to winning a lot of games, but this simple axiom frequently gets forgotten because it’s not sexy, I guess.

As an Eagles fan, I love watching Lane Johnson, Mailata, Dickerson and the rest piledrive the defense late in games on long punishing drives to put a game away. No better way to break a team. Having Saquon takes it to another level but they’ve been doing it with average backs as well

 

[Safety Blitz]

The word never needs banned regardless of the opinion being stated. Gee, I 🤔 I was expressing my thought using the civility of our times. Shucks.

I’m an old guy. So based on my experience, the civility “of our times” is not very civil at all. It’s really not that difficult to debate points of view without using insults like idiot or moron or some of the stuff a couple of our more infamous posters come up with on a regular basis.
I’ve read a lot of your posts. You seem like a pretty intelligent person, probably a lot smarter than me. Just the kind of poster who can help raise the level of discussion around here.

 

[SR108]

If we can’t beat Ohio State this year I honestly don’t think it’s ever going to happen again.

They lost 14 players to the draft including their starting QB. Their QB room is pretty weak in my opinion not really impressed with Julian Sayin.

Penn State returns Drew Allar, Singleton, and Kaytron. Offensive line is in good shape and tight end room is probably best in the country. I think the WR room will be significantly better this year. Jim Knowles is an upgrade over Tom Allen.

Yes I know Ohio State recruits really well and they got a few decent transfers but if we can’t beat them this year it’s not happening anytime soon. This should be the best Penn State team we’ve had since we beat Wisconsin for conference title (only if Barkley and Mcsorely had an offensive line when they played here).

At the shoe, later in the season when teams are jelling, still loaded with 4 and 5 stars. Possible yes. We will see.

 

[bdgan]

Thanks for the most idiotic post of the boards existence. Seek help!

Only idiotic in the sense that "ever" is a very long time. But seriously, do you think we'll beat them next year after Allar, Singleton, Allen, Dawkins, Rucci, Pena, Harris, DDS, etc are gone?

 

[Obliviax]

Right now, tOSU can't beat Michigan. Yet, in the playoff year, went on to win the Natty. So PSU could go 11-1 or even 10-2 (as tOSU did last year with losses to both Oregon and UM) and still win a Natty. What the playoffs have done, similar to the NBA and NHL, is minimize the value of the regular season. Hell, if our defender doesn't fall down and we throw a silly pick, we'd have played in the Natty game vs tOSU; two teams with two losses.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

I’m an old guy. So based on my experience, the civility “of our times” is not very civil at all. It’s really not that difficult to debate points of view without using insults like idiot or moron or some of the stuff a couple of our more infamous posters come up with on a regular basis.
I’ve read a lot of your posts. You seem like a pretty intelligent person, probably a lot smarter than me. Just the kind of poster who can help raise the level of discussion around here.

I said the post was an idiotic post. Most everyone here has made idiotic posts, including me. That does not make any of us idiots in my mind nor in fact. The ball bounces the way it does not always to the loaded team.

 

[ryoder1]

We can afford to lose to OSU just like this year and still make the playoffs. We don't want to because it just fuels the ineptitude and diminishes the team's confidence. I do think this team has a good shot of finally beating them but the game is in Columbus and we simply don't know how to win there. Hopefully this year we figure it out.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Groundhog Day! 😂

 

[joeaubie21]

Hard to beat those who cheat. Franklin won't cheat.

 

[Patterson825]

I said the post was an idiotic post. Most everyone here has made idiotic posts, including me. That does not make any of us idiots in my mind nor in fact. The ball bounces the way it does not always to the loaded team.

How is it an idiotic post. Some of you all lash out at people way too often it is insane and why I rarely post on here.

We haven’t beaten Ohio State since 2016 and we’ve had some pretty good teams. I was just saying we’re returning a lot of key players and we have some good depth in a lot of places that we haven’t had in a long time. If we’re not going to win this year I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Far from being negative I actually expect an undefeated season or 1 loss.

 

[Wallace Breen]

If we can’t beat Ohio State this year I honestly don’t think it’s ever going to happen again.

They lost 14 players to the draft including their starting QB. Their QB room is pretty weak in my opinion not really impressed with Julian Sayin.

Penn State returns Drew Allar, Singleton, and Kaytron. Offensive line is in good shape and tight end room is probably best in the country. I think the WR room will be significantly better this year. Jim Knowles is an upgrade over Tom Allen.

Yes I know Ohio State recruits really well and they got a few decent transfers but if we can’t beat them this year it’s not happening anytime soon. This should be the best Penn State team we’ve had since we beat Wisconsin for conference title (only if Barkley and Mcsorely had an offensive line when they played here).

He is not beating Ohio State, or Oregon this year. It isn't happening. All evidence says the team is taking a step back. We were not competitive with Oregon. The game was over in the first half. Anyone that says anything else is in denial. Ohio State played out like it always does and almost certainly will this year. They did upgrade their coordinator and will very likely improve on D. The offense will be fine. For the record, the 2016 offensive line was the best of the Franklin era, the lack of talent at QB was the problem.

 

[Zouavelion5]

How is it an idiotic post. Some of you all lash out at people way too often it is insane and why I rarely post on here.

We haven’t beaten Ohio State since 2016 and we’ve had some pretty good teams. I was just saying we’re returning a lot of key players and we have some good depth in a lot of places that we haven’t had in a long time. If we’re not going to win this year I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Far from being negative I actually expect an undefeated season or 1 loss.

I think there is just a lot of fatigue among everyone...the team, Franklin, the fans when it comes to OSU and rhe mounting losses to them. Just my opinion. And guess what...they lost to them last year and still made it to the B1G Championship Game and the playoffs. And with the 18 team league rhey won't play them every year. Michigan had a similar lousy record vs then until their run of success .

 

[Wallace Breen]

I think there is just a lot of fatigue among everyone...the team, Franklin, the fans when it comes to OSU and rhe mounting losses to them. Just my opinion. And guess what...they lost to them last year and still made it to the B1G Championship Game and the playoffs. And with the 18 team league rhey won't play them every year. Michigan had a similar lousy record vs then until their run of success .

The problem here is that we have a similarly lousy record against any team that is good, it isn't just Ohio State as much as some wish it were. Furthermore, the root cause of that record is an old dog that won't learn new tricks.

 

[fastlax16]

Let’s beat Oregon first. Very different narrative/stakes going into the OSU game depending on what happens against the ducks.

 

[ryoder1]

For us to beat OSU in Columbus it rests on Allar having a good or very good game. Obviously some other factors come into play but I see that as the biggest. We have come up short the last two years and he has not had good games. He has to be able to get the ball to the WRs. Yes, they need to get some separation and catch contested balls. We won't be able to simply pound Allen and Singleton along with a passing game to the TEs and RBs. Allar has to step up making good decisions, playing calmly under pressure and of course making strong accurate throws down the field to WRs. If he has a good game then I like our chances as long as there are no critical turnovers or special teams mishaps.

 

[Wallace Breen]

For us to beat OSU in Columbus it rests on Allar having a good or very good game. Obviously some other factors come into play but I see that as the biggest. We have come up short the last two years and he has not had good games. He has to be able to get the ball to the WRs. Yes, they need to get some separation and catch contested balls. We won't be able to simply pound Allen and Singleton along with a passing game to the TEs and RBs. Allar has to step up making good decisions, playing calmly under pressure and of course making strong accurate throws down the field to WRs. If he has a good game then I like our chances as long as there are no critical turnovers or special teams mishaps.

Much like the last decade or so, I don't think we can beat either Ohio State or Oregon on our best day. They can both lose to us after suffering from player turnover but it is all on them. Our best isn't nearly enough.

 

[ryoder1]

Much like the last decade or so, I don't think we can beat either Ohio State or Oregon on our best day. They can both lose to us after suffering from player turnover but it is all on them. Our best isn't nearly enough.

They are both very beatable especially Oregon going on the road in what could be a White Out. Stop making us out to be a D3 team while those guys are the Eagles. But wait that's your schtick, troll.

 

[joeaubie21]

Much like the last decade or so, I don't think we can beat either Ohio State or Oregon on our best day. They can both lose to us after suffering from player turnover but it is all on them. Our best isn't nearly enough.

Va-room!!!!!!

🤡

 

[Wallace Breen]

They are both very beatable especially Oregon going on the road in what could be a White Out. Stop making us out to be a D3 team while those guys are the Eagles. But wait that's your schtick, troll.

What we are under Franklin is Iowa, only Iowa occasionally punches above its weight while we don't. I realized that years ago. Most Penn Staters now agree. The fact that you think we need a white out environment to beat a good team is telling. Rather pathetic actually. Talk about lowering the bar. But that is what we are, like it or not. I am one of the few actual Penn State grads on this site. Most aren't and it is obvious who they are because their standard are so low it is embarrassing.

 

[joeaubie21]

What we are under Franklin is Iowa, only Iowa occasionally punches above its weight while we don't. I realized that years ago. Most Penn Staters now agree. The fact that you think we need a white out environment to beat a good team is telling. Rather pathetic actually. Talk about lowering the bar. But that is what we are, like it or not. I am one of the few actual Penn State grads on this site. Most aren't and it is obvious who they are because their standard are so low it is embarrassing.

What a rear end.

 

[ryoder1]

What we are under Franklin is Iowa, only Iowa occasionally punches above its weight while we don't. I realized that years ago. Most Penn Staters now agree. The fact that you think we need a white out environment to beat a good team is telling. Rather pathetic actually. Talk about lowering the bar. But that is what we are, like it or not. I am one of the few actual Penn State grads on this site. Most aren't and it is obvious who they are because their standard are so low it is embarrassing.

I never said "we need a white out environment to beat a good team". And you are so arrogant you think you know what I think. We could easily beat Oregon in Eugene. Playing them in a White Out just enhances our probability of beating them. We have been lousy in the big games under Franklin. We can agree on that. Look no further then vs OSU. That has been well documented and most on this board will agree Franklin has woefully underperformed in the biggest games.

 

[PSU4U]

C’mon Rip. Not saying I disagree with your point, but can’t we play nice.
It’s spring. The nice weather has finally arrived and I think most PSU fans agree we should have a pretty good team to watch in the fall. Why climb up in another poster’s grill?
It’s the insults and petty name-calling that make this board intolerable much of the time. Don’t understand why typing “I disagree” and moving on is so difficult. A little civility can go a long way.
Thanks….and have a great summer!

When you're convinced, you're superior to the peasants you don't play nice.

 

[Wallace Breen]

This OL has to move the Buckeyes off the LOS like UM did for 3 years for us to have any chance to best them.

And here is the problem. Franklin wants flash. He was "explosive" plays. He wants to change offenses every time an OC gets fired or leaves. Look at his track record.

John Donovan - The worst offensive coordinator in major college football history. He inherited a group of pure old school man blocking linemen and tried to run zone, gap and man on a play by play basis. It was a kitchen sink approach of concepts while turning a pure pro-style passer into a spread QB. That is only the start. Coaching killed the 14 and 15 seasons. Not the line. Not the players. Coaching.

Joe Moorhead - Joe came with his innovative MAP hybrid which was mostly man which is why it worked so well and provided the best line play we had during the Franklin era during the four years we used it. We had talent deficient QB in 16, 17 and 18 which negatively impacted the unit as it was forced to play against 7 and 8 man fronts but provided continuity.

Kirk Ciarocco - In comes a pure west coast offense with a zone blocking scheme. 2020 was always going to be painful even if the pandemic didn't happen because we overhauled the entire offense and asked kids who never played in a zone blocking schedule to do it.

Mike Yurcich - Now comes a different blocking schedule. MY used a gap based blocking scheme and a running game based on wide zone plays. At least our players were somewhat familar with the concepts but ultimately, they were forced to learn another very different approach.

Andy K - Here we have another blocking schedule and very different offense. We'll probably have another for the 2026 season.

There are several trends here. One being lack of commitment to an offensive style or philosophy. Michigan beat the tar out of Ohio State with mostly similar talent, but they never once wavered from their core philosophy from when Harbaugh arrived. We could do that but Franklin doesn't want to. He is like a kid in a candy store always moving to the shiniest object. And, he is not committed to running the type of offense every team that has had success against Ohio State has used. that is why we have lost and will continue to lose.

 

[joeaubie21]

And here is the problem. Franklin wants flash. He was "explosive" plays. He wants to change offenses every time an OC gets fired or leaves. Look at his track record.

John Donovan - The worst offensive coordinator in major college football history. He inherited a group of pure old school man blocking linemen and tried to run zone, gap and man on a play by play basis. It was a kitchen sink approach of concepts while turning a pure pro-style passer into a spread QB. That is only the start. Coaching killed the 14 and 15 seasons. Not the line. Not the players. Coaching.

Joe Moorhead - Joe came with his innovative MAP hybrid which was mostly man which is why it worked so well and provided the best line play we had during the Franklin era during the four years we used it. We had talent deficient QB in 16, 17 and 18 which negatively impacted the unit as it was forced to play against 7 and 8 man fronts but provided continuity.

Kirk Ciarocco - In comes a pure west coast offense with a zone blocking scheme. 2020 was always going to be painful even if the pandemic didn't happen because we overhauled the entire offense and asked kids who never played in a zone blocking schedule to do it.

Mike Yurcich - Now comes a different blocking schedule. MY used a gap based blocking scheme and a running game based on wide zone plays. At least our players were somewhat familar with the concepts but ultimately, they were forced to learn another very different approach.

Andy K - Here we have another blocking schedule and very different offense. We'll probably have another for the 2026 season.

There are several trends here. One being lack of commitment to an offensive style or philosophy. Michigan beat the tar out of Ohio State with mostly similar talent, but they never once wavered from their core philosophy from when Harbaugh arrived. We could do that but Franklin doesn't want to. He is like a kid in a candy store always moving to the shiniest object. And, he is not committed to running the type of offense every team that has had success against Ohio State has used. that is why we have lost and will continue to lose.

VAROOM!!!!

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

How is it an idiotic post. Some of you all lash out at people way too often it is insane and why I rarely post on here.

We haven’t beaten Ohio State since 2016 and we’ve had some pretty good teams. I was just saying we’re returning a lot of key players and we have some good depth in a lot of places that we haven’t had in a long time. If we’re not going to win this year I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Far from being negative I actually expect an undefeated season or 1 loss.

Grant Haley ...

 

[wilbury]

And here is the problem. Franklin wants flash. He was "explosive" plays. He wants to change offenses every time an OC gets fired or leaves. Look at his track record.

John Donovan - The worst offensive coordinator in major college football history. He inherited a group of pure old school man blocking linemen and tried to run zone, gap and man on a play by play basis. It was a kitchen sink approach of concepts while turning a pure pro-style passer into a spread QB. That is only the start. Coaching killed the 14 and 15 seasons. Not the line. Not the players. Coaching.

Joe Moorhead - Joe came with his innovative MAP hybrid which was mostly man which is why it worked so well and provided the best line play we had during the Franklin era during the four years we used it. We had talent deficient QB in 16, 17 and 18 which negatively impacted the unit as it was forced to play against 7 and 8 man fronts but provided continuity.

Kirk Ciarocco - In comes a pure west coast offense with a zone blocking scheme. 2020 was always going to be painful even if the pandemic didn't happen because we overhauled the entire offense and asked kids who never played in a zone blocking schedule to do it.

Mike Yurcich - Now comes a different blocking schedule. MY used a gap based blocking scheme and a running game based on wide zone plays. At least our players were somewhat familar with the concepts but ultimately, they were forced to learn another very different approach.

Andy K - Here we have another blocking schedule and very different offense. We'll probably have another for the 2026 season.

There are several trends here. One being lack of commitment to an offensive style or philosophy. Michigan beat the tar out of Ohio State with mostly similar talent, but they never once wavered from their core philosophy from when Harbaugh arrived. We could do that but Franklin doesn't want to. He is like a kid in a candy store always moving to the shiniest object. And, he is not committed to running the type of offense every team that has had success against Ohio State has used. that is why we have lost and will continue to lose.

Michigan lost to Illinois, Indiana and Washington. But hey, they never wavered from their core philosophy.

 

[Wallace Breen]

Michigan lost to Illinois, Indiana and Washington. But hey, they never wavered from their core philosophy.

Typical clown comment from the peanut gallery. Do you really want to compare us to Michigan? I am not defending them but by year's end, they would have beat us by two scores and their game against Indiana indicates the Hoosiers were at least as good as we were and they had better wins than we did. They made how many playoffs and won a title? Even in their down year, they won as many games against good competition as Franklin has lifetime. Like I said, clown comment.

 

[joeaubie21]

Typical clown comment from the peanut gallery. Do you really want to compare us to Michigan? I am not defending them but by year's end, they would have beat us by two scores and their game against Indiana indicates the Hoosiers were at least as good as we were and they had better wins than we did. They made how many playoffs and won a title? Even in their down year, they won as many games against good competition as Franklin has lifetime. Like I said, clown comment.

What a dooflinky.

 

[wilbury]

Typical clown comment from the peanut gallery. Do you really want to compare us to Michigan? I am not defending them but by year's end, they would have beat us by two scores and their game against Indiana indicates the Hoosiers were at least as good as we were and they had better wins than we did. They made how many playoffs and won a title? Even in their down year, they won as many games against good competition as Franklin has lifetime. Like I said, clown comment.

Comparing actual on-field results versus what you think would have happened. Classic.

The only thing the Indiana game proves is how bad Michigan really was. IU played two good teams and got rolled by both of them.

 

[94LionsFan]

Joe Moorhead - Joe came with his innovative MAP hybrid which was mostly man which is why it worked so well and provided the best line play we had during the Franklin era during the four years we used it.

I don’t know how anyone can think our OL play in those years was better than today. My memory of those days was backs routinely taking the hand off and immediately needing to juke a defender to avoid a loss. It was frustrating as hell, but thankfully rarely happens anymore.

That’s just anecdotal though. Here are some stats:
Yr | Rush Yds/Gm | Per Carry | Sacks Allowed
2016 | 174 | 4.6 | 24
2017 | 170 | 4.9 | 29
2018 | 174 | 5.1 | 31
2019 | 192 | 4.6 | 32

2023 | 185 | 4.7 | 16
2024 | 202 | 5.3 | 20

So in this most recent season we ran for more yards per game and per carry, and we gave up less sacks than any of the four years you claim gave us the best line play of the Franklin era.