Iowa Future Line-Ups

[KidNittany]

Same deal as the other day. Iowa is interesting because their best shot is in two years. Next year everyone is expecting to be "down". This year they had some folks get injured and/or leave (Turk, Stoll, Paddock) and that's tempering the March expectations for now.

2017-18:
125- Wagner FR
133- Laux SR
141- Turk SO/Happel FR
149- Sorenson SR
157- Kemerer SO/Marinelli FR
165- Kemerer SO/Marinelli FR/Gunther SO
174- Gunther SO/Young FR
184- Wilcke SO/Brownlee FR
197- Wilcke SO/Brownlee FR/Holloway SO
HWT- Stoll JR

Some things to work-out. First, I'm expecting Iowa to continue the trend and redshirt everybody. I don't think Lee, Murin and Warner would make enough of a difference anyway. Lots of young talent, I think the really interesting scenario is at 57/65 and how does that shake out. Marinelli is listed as 57 on the roster. I don't see Laux getting down to 25 again, and Holloway might be stuck at Heavy, but I do see Wilcke moving down. Gunther has made some strides but he is just stuck behind talent here.

2018-19:
125- Lee FR
133- Teasdale tFR/Murin FR
141- Turk JR/Happel SO/Murin FR
149- Happel SO/Murin FR/Meyer JR
157- Kemerer JR/Marinelli FR
165- Kemerer JR/Marinelli SO/Gunther JR
174- Gunther JR/Young SO
184- Wilcke JR/Warner FR
197- Wilcke JR/Warner FR
HWT- Stoll SR

The talent officially hits the line-up and they are going to have a full squad. Lots of variables up in the air. Teasdale's weight, 49, how will all of the freshman shake out, Stoll's health. But this line-up could be a title team as long as everything goes right. But, EVERYTHING needs to go right. They will at least be in the hunt. This may be a team that could make even more noise in 2019-20 as long as they replace their heavyweight. They will also need Wilcke and Turk/whoever is at 41 to wrestle at the top of their games.

 

[matter7172]

I think these lineups for Iowa would see Penn State victories in a dual much like this year (if not worse) - if things go really well for Iowa, they would lose by 15 or more. At BIGs and NCAAs, I don't see them getting close to PSU.

Lee-Suriano - toss up; Wagner-Suriano - PSU major or more
Cortez-Laux - PSU dec/mdec; Cortez-Teasdale - PSU dec. (Teasdale lost to Decatur this year)
Lee/Turk - PSU dec
Zain/Sorenson - PSU dec/mdec; Berge/whichever - PSU dec
Nolf/Kemerer - PSU dec/mdec
Joseph/Marinelli - PSU dec
Hall/whoever - PSU mdec or greater
Bo/whoever - PSU tf/fall
Cutch or Cassar/whoever - PSU dec
Nevills/Stoll - 2 knee injuries on a big, big guy in less than a year makes me wonder if Stoll will come back effectively, but even if he does, with Nevills improving while Stoll is just trying to get back = PSU dec or more if Stoll doesn't come back

Iowa would need a LOT of help at NCAAs to challenge Penn State in two years, imo. They can't get enough help next year.

 

[Ian]

Like it or not, Iowa is dropping. Next year will be ugly (low top 10, is my guess) for the faithful, despite what they say. They could be competing with ISU. In two years, they will still be behind PSU, O$U, and Okie St even with their reload.

 

[goethe14]

Not sure the Teasdale to Iowa is set in stone yet.

 

[WildTurk]

Not sure the Teasdale to Iowa is set in stone yet.

Did Spyker whisper that in your ear?

 

[mcruny42]

A lot can happen with injuries, etc. but I don't think Iowa is a legit title threat until the 3 N's graduate, but come March of 2020 they could be a 4 finalist, 8 AA squad.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Laux will be at 125 next year and I don't know for sure but Happel might be dropping to 133.

 

[matter7172]

Laux will be at 125 next year and I don't know for sure but Happel might be dropping to 133.

Either way, there is a very good chance Iowa could get shut out when they visit Penn State next year.

 

[diggerpup]

Either way, there is a very good chance Iowa could get shut out when they visit Penn State next year.

I wasn't going to post that myself, but when I went down the weights, I started to have that same notion that it would be at least a 10-20% possibility.

Injuries and unforeseens always happen. Hopefully both squads are fully healthy.

 

[diggerpup]

Did Spyker whisper that in your ear?

I'm no insider, and don't even live in the state anymore but still have plenty of friends in Pittsburgh.

Second-hand hearsay, but two different guys who frequent the WPIAL tourney scene have both told me that it's not the 100.0000% stone cold lead pipe lock you might assume.

Maybe someone from HR can tweet & ask him again directly

 

[El-Jefe]

Second-hand hearsay, but two different guys who frequent the WPIAL tourney scene have both told me that it's not the 100.0000% stone cold lead pipe lock you might assume.

Spyker and Guns? (Sorry, that was too easy!)

 

[JohnBasedow]

Either way, there is a very good chance Iowa could get shut out when they visit Penn State next year.

Unfortunately the dual next year will likely be lopsided, but I would gladly accept any wager on a shutout.

 

[matter7172]

Unfortunately the dual next year will likely be lopsided, but I would gladly accept any wager on a shutout.

On that list above for next year's dual - even if Laux and Happel go down in weight, who do you think will win for Iowa?

 

[JohnBasedow]

On that list above for next year's dual - even if Laux and Happel go down in weight, who do you think will win for Iowa?

I don't know what PSU's lineup will be. Hypothetically if it were similar to what it is now, I would like Iowa at 133, 141, 165 and HWT if Stoll is healthy.

 

[johnstownsteel]

I don't know what PSU's lineup will be. Hypothetically if it were similar to what it is now, I would like Iowa at 133, 141, 165 and HWT if Stoll is healthy.

You're taking Marinelli over Joseph?

 

[JohnBasedow]

You're taking Marinelli over Joseph?

Hey I have to justify my argument somehow right?

 

[johnstownsteel]

Hey I have to justify my argument somehow right?

My bad. I'll leave the other weights alone so you don't feel as if I'm kicking your nuts in....

 

[NittanyChris]

Iowa will not be in the title hunt, next year or the year after. The first time they will compete for a title will be 2019-2020.

 

[Clarion167]

Iowa will not be in the title hunt, next year or the year after. The first time they will compete for a title will be 2019-2020.

Iowa will not be in the title hunt, next year or the year after. The first time they will compete for a title will be 2019-2020.

Boy I wish we had the recruits to compete in 19/20

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Did Spyker whisper that in your ear?

Spyker doesn't WHISPER!!!!

 

[matter7172]

I don't know what PSU's lineup will be. Hypothetically if it were similar to what it is now, I would like Iowa at 133, 141, 165 and HWT if Stoll is healthy.

Assume it is what's above:

Suriano
Cortez
Lee
Zain
Nolf
Joseph
Hall
Nickal
Cutch/Cassar
Nevills

I can't see Iowa at 133, 141 may be a tossup, 165 I have Joseph and Stoll is a huge health question at 285. Even if he comes back, he would be going against Nevills who will be improving while Stoll is trying to rehab. And Nevills may have been ahead of Stoll this year. So, yes, Iowa may be able to squeeze out a win or two, but zero is about as likely.

 

[lobo lion]

Did Spyker whisper that in your ear?

Spyker NEVER whispers!!

 

[lobo lion]

Spyker doesn't WHISPER!!!!

LOL; beat me to it.

 

[Real-Lion]

Same deal as the other day. Iowa is interesting because their best shot is in two years. Next year everyone is expecting to be "down". This year they had some folks get injured and/or leave (Turk, Stoll, Paddock) and that's tempering the March expectations for now.

2017-18:
125- Wagner FR
133- Laux SR
141- Turk SO/Happel FR
149- Sorenson SR
157- Kemerer SO/Marinelli FR
165- Kemerer SO/Marinelli FR/Gunther SO
174- Gunther SO/Young FR
184- Wilcke SO/Brownlee FR
197- Wilcke SO/Brownlee FR/Holloway SO
HWT- Stoll JR

Some things to work-out. First, I'm expecting Iowa to continue the trend and redshirt everybody. I don't think Lee, Murin and Warner would make enough of a difference anyway. Lots of young talent, I think the really interesting scenario is at 57/65 and how does that shake out. Marinelli is listed as 57 on the roster. I don't see Laux getting down to 25 again, and Holloway might be stuck at Heavy, but I do see Wilcke moving down. Gunther has made some strides but he is just stuck behind talent here.

2018-19:
125- Lee FR
133- Teasdale tFR/Murin FR
141- Turk JR/Happel SO/Murin FR
149- Happel SO/Murin FR/Meyer JR
157- Kemerer JR/Marinelli FR
165- Kemerer JR/Marinelli SO/Gunther JR
174- Gunther JR/Young SO
184- Wilcke JR/Warner FR
197- Wilcke JR/Warner FR
HWT- Stoll SR

The talent officially hits the line-up and they are going to have a full squad. Lots of variables up in the air. Teasdale's weight, 49, how will all of the freshman shake out, Stoll's health. But this line-up could be a title team as long as everything goes right. But, EVERYTHING needs to go right. They will at least be in the hunt. This may be a team that could make even more noise in 2019-20 as long as they replace their heavyweight. They will also need Wilcke and Turk/whoever is at 41 to wrestle at the top of their games.

Give them a couple years and they will be hating wrestling....lol

 

[Chickenman Testa]

[QUOTE="Clarion167, post: 2643150, member: 71067"]Boy I wish we had the recruits to compete in 19/20[/QUOTE]

 

[NittanyChris]

Boy I wish we had the recruits to compete in 19/20

Come on man...we will still be the team to beat. All I'm saying is that will be the next time Iowa will present a credible challenge for us, three years down the road.

 

[diggerpup]

Wrestling along with other college sports is cyclical.

I'm very excited that PSU is on top and still trending upward - but I'm not gonna rub Iowa's noses in it.

They have their history. And their culture. They'll be back. I don't know when or what year**, but things cycle and someday we'll be looking back up at them.



** = I hope I'm old & senile when that day comes, so I don't realize it. Lol. But that day will eventually arrive.

 

[matter7172]

Wrestling along with other college sports is cyclical.

I'm very excited that PSU is on top and still trending upward - but I'm not gonna rub Iowa's noses in it.

They have their history. And their culture. They'll be back. I don't know when or what year**, but things cycle and someday we'll be looking back up at them.



** = I hope I'm old & senile when that day comes, so I don't realize it. Lol. But that day will eventually arrive.

On the other hand, that's what the University of Tennessee's women's basketball thought when UConn emerged.

 

[Osprey Lion]

I don't know what PSU's lineup will be. Hypothetically if it were similar to what it is now, I would like Iowa at 133, 141, 165 and HWT if Stoll is healthy.

Stoll over Nevells isn't going to happen. Stoll is basically a sumo wrestler even when healthy.

 

[goethe14]

Did Spyker whisper that in your ear?

Im going to save this one.

 

[matter7172]

Stoll over Nevells isn't going to happen. Stoll is basically a sumo wrestler even when healthy.

Give the guy credit. He said he had no idea who would be in the PSU lineup, even though it was laid out in the thread before he posted. It's sort of the Iowa approach - they are the best program and the only one that matters. Everything else is unnecessary detail.

 

[Stanley75]

Not sure the Teasdale to Iowa is set in stone yet.

We have he said, she said, goethe14 said, and then what Teasdale said.

 

[matter7172]

We have he said, she said, goethe14 said, and then what Teasdale said.

And it's mostly irrelevant. I know he's a PA kid, but he lost to Decatur who is about 2-3 years younger than he is at WNO this year and did not look very impressive the previous year at the same event. Penn State is pretty well covered with RBY, who, unless I am wrong, is also younger than Teasdale. I'm happy with RBY..

 

[nitlion6]

On the other hand, that's what the University of Tennessee's women's basketball thought when UConn emerged.

Has anybody ever seen Geno (not Morelli) and Cael in the same room together?

 

[nitlion6]

Did Spyker whisper that in your ear?

No. We were all having dinner with the Lee family and when Spyker ask Lar Lee how much money did Tom Brands negotiate from Coe for Lar. Lar looked speechless and Spyker felt so bad he attempted to change the point and he typed that message onto a napkin and I knew he was serious because it was all in capital letters.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Give the guy credit. He said he had no idea who would be in the PSU lineup, even though it was laid out in the thread before he posted. It's sort of the Iowa approach - they are the best program and the only one that matters. Everything else is unnecessary detail.

I didn't realize that when a lineup gets posted on here it is written in stone. From my point of view 133, 141 and 197 seem to be somewhat unsettled for you guys. Not to mention that the middle weights might get shuffled around. But go ahead, write your own narrative.

 

[Ian]

133, 141, 149, 157 pipeline looks like Bravo-Young, Lee brothers, Berge, Manville, etc. The next wave is coming. Unsettled, I guess depending on your perspective.

 

[JohnBasedow]

133, 141, 149, 157 pipeline looks like Bravo-Young, Lee brothers, Berge, Manville, etc. The next wave is coming. Unsettled, I guess depending on your perspective.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

133, 141, 149, 157 pipeline looks like Bravo-Young, Lee brothers, Berge, Manville, etc. The next wave is coming. Unsettled, I guess depending on your perspective.

Cael's pipeline:

 

[matter7172]

I didn't realize that when a lineup gets posted on here it is written in stone. From my point of view 133, 141 and 197 seem to be somewhat unsettled for you guys. Not to mention that the middle weights might get shuffled around. But go ahead, write your own narrative.

Ok, I guess. 133 is unsettled only if Cortez doesn't come back from injury. At 141, Nick Lee is the plan, which is why he is in State College this year. It's either Cutch or Cassar at 197, which isn't really unsettled. You are the first I've heard to suggest the middle weights might get shuffled. So you seem to be the one writing your own narrative.