Yes, thank you. What I see is a realistic assessment of the distance from 2nd string behind a weak starter and AA. It's a long way. And it's not impossible to predict, if not a perfect science. Nick Lee is on the way, relax people.
Is Matt Lee related to Nick and Joe
- Thread starter JOESTROSSER
- Start date
So what exactly is the difference between Gulibon and an AA?
For as much as people like to bag on him, and I get the frustration, he was R16 last year up weight after AAing previous year.
Recorded wins over a 1/2 dozen top 20 guys last year including the guy who is currently ranked number 6 in the country.
Again, get the frustration but lets not maje him out to be worse than he is - justifiably ranked 10-15 in the country with the ability to knock off most of the top 10.
But yeah, FM, I guess that makes him a 'weak starter' here. And Moss who was neck and neck with him last year has no shot at being AA in 2017-18.
Seriously, not a well thought out opinion.
Perhaps saying something rational and reasoned about Moss (whether or not folks agree with the opinion), without taking a gratuitous swipe at Gulibon, was asking too much.
So you agree with me and call it a "not well thought out" opinion. You are confusing.
Guys! I promise I'll attend the statue dedication. But can we defer the "how great is Kade Moss" discussion until then?
Peace.
Out.
Peace.
Out.
First of all Nick Lee will red shirt next year makes no sense for him to be in a already strong line up next year and use a year of eligibility that will be needed down the road. Second I believe that Luke Gardner could be the starter at 141 next year as I was told by Tank Molinaro he is beating both Moss and Dinmore in the room and that Tank is personally working one on one with Gardner. Furthermore Dinmore will struggle to maintain 141 for the entire year was up to 170 this summer. The Gardner kid had 144 High School wins had some injuries in Post Seasons. Lost by 2 points to Cam Coy in state semis in a very close match. Also in researching this kid watched a video of him absolutely dominate Jarod Veerkleren for 5:10 in Vegas this year, although he lost at the end I think after a year in this room and being roommates with Mark Hall he could be the surprise of the 2016 class. I have to believe that Cael saw something in this kid that maybe we don't to give him some scholarship money to come here. I do believe Nick Lee will be a four year starter at 141 because he has said that he will be competing at 60KG for international competitions any thoughts of him going 149 would not make sense. But I think that Gardner could be the 141 for one year but he looks more like a 149 after that.
When we see birds eyeing the statue for target practice, we'll know who sent them.
Jeez, nobody said "how great he is." Just a few folks challenging the assertion that he cannot win a single match at nationals next year.
We should remember that some of the guys and their families read the boards, against Cael's advice -- so we might be talking directly to the subject or their loved ones. BWI and Scout have had some interesting responses from Larry Lee, Neil Alton, and "The Mrs. 174," at least.
I like Gardner, think he could be good.
And I'm skeptical about preseason room reports like this -- every year we hear about some freshman wowing in the room. Once upon a time, newbie Morgan took down 2x national finalist Q at will. Reality is always something less -- which can still be good.
Sometimes new guys look really good because the other guys are working on a new technique and less concerned about giving up takedown in practice.
Why don't we let the coaches decide whose name should be in there including whether Lee will redshirt. With where he is at now I don't think it's a given.
Hmm. Maybe we should ask the coaches to decide whether we should let them decide ...
These message boards wouldnt exist if arm chair quarterbacking wasn't tolerated.
To date, Spyker is the only poster I know on here to have email contact with Cael.
Till next year rolls around we just FULL COURT PRESS every decision there is.
To get everything back on track - Yes. He had a win over Dalton Rohrbaugh this year at Cadet Duals. Greco, so take it with a large grain of salt, but still a nice win for a kid entering HS. Guessing he is going to be good too.
Yeah, we'll find out a lot more about him at Super32 next weekend. Flow's 4, 6,7,8,9,10... are all there in his weight class.
The way NCAA titles are won these days is to have 5-6 super studs who eat most of the scholly money and find themselves top three finishers. Hope 1-2 other guys score you a few points. This formula works. Fill the lineup with 10 guys who place 5-8 and you won't hang up banners except perhaps a team duals title. Sometimes even a great team like PSU will have to "settle" for having a guy out there working his butt off who is just really good instead of great. I understand your point fine material, but I really think you have to trust the formula Cael is using, for it is forcing every other team to try and follow suite or be left behind. Brands is even trying to get the super star bonus point guys now which will leave Iowa with more holes in the lineup, but more top end fire power. This is yet another way Cael is revolutionizing the sport.
If Nick was in Indiana working on his second state title you would have a very good point. However, he lives in State College and is currently training daily with the NLWC. He is already separating himself from his high school peers and at the beginning of next season will almost certainly be the dominant 141 pounder. If Nick red-shirts next year it will because something happened to change the plan, and my guess would be physical growth. Maybe Frank can elevate Gardner to the level of elite, but if I was wagering my money would be on Nick starting at 141 next season
Don't forget he recruits exceptional students also keeping scolly money spread around better.
Don't forget the revolutionary NLWC recruiting slush fund. ; )
I think Nick Lee would do well being the 141lb starter next year but i hope that they redshirt him. A year in the room drilling and learning with Frank and Zain, amongst others in that room will turn him into I believe an elite wrestler. I watched the videos of him at Whos number 1 and Fargo and the kid has all the tools to be great. I think to put it best is he is relentless on his attacks and i see some traits in his wrestling that remind me of both Zain and Nolf. This kid is gonna be special. Another thing that I like about him is that he seems to have a very good work ethic.
It might be hard to believe, but I'm pretty sure the coaches still get to make the final decision about the lineup, and have at least a shred of input regarding redshirt decisions.
This despite any discussion or speculation in this forum, which just happens to be internet message board about PSU wrestling.
Did you clear the idea of the coaches having some say, with a few of our more determined board members?
Dunk, let's put this at the top of the next board agenda. We should give Cael some time to present his case for making decisions, or at least for having some input to those decisions.Did you clear the idea of the coaches having some say, with a few of our more determined board members?
Five minutes ought to be enough, though maybe we don't have cut him off exactly at 5:00 -- after all, it might be the last time he has any say.
El jefe, I don;t think he will need 5 minutes to respond. He'll just say "Let me hear your plan" and when silence ensues he says thanks and exits.
Did you clear the idea of the coaches having some say, with a few of our more determined board members?
You have to remember its only a small faction that is concerned.
he better not leave before eating. Too much food is bought for these meetings and nobody ever wants to eat.
He's going to take a few of you by the scruff of the neck and knock your heads together like the 3 Stooges
Similar threads
