Is tomorrow's NLI Day for Wrestling?

[ptomaselli]

Does Brady Berge sign tomorrow?

Wittlake, Big Snacks, Beard, Hoffman, Teasdale and RBY are all Juniors so that day does not apply to them, correct?

 

[El-Jefe]

Does Brady Berge sign tomorrow?

Wittlake, Big Snacks, Beard, Hoffman, Teasdale and RBY are all Juniors so that day does not apply to them, correct?

Berge signed in November. Most likely the other guys listed above will sign (hopefully with us) in Nov 2017.

 

[jschrantz]

Berge signed in November. Most likely the other guys listed above will sign (hopefully with us) in Nov 2017.

Hoffman or Beard More likely to PSU? TIA

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Does Brady Berge sign tomorrow?

Wittlake, Big Snacks, Beard, Hoffman, Teasdale and RBY are all Juniors so that day does not apply to them, correct?

Berge signed during the early signing period, which was Nov. 9, 2016 thru Nov. 16, 2016.

The "regular" signing period for wrestling is April 12, 2017 thru Aug. 1, 2017

The other wrestlers you mentioned are juniors, so the above dates do not apply to them. The early signing period for current high school juniors (for wrestling) is Nov. 8, 2017 thru Nov. 15, 2017. The regular signing period for current juniors, for wrestling, is April 11, 2018 thru Aug. 1, 2018.

 

[RoarLions1]

Does Brady Berge sign tomorrow?

Wittlake, Big Snacks, Beard, Hoffman, Teasdale and RBY are all Juniors so that day does not apply to them, correct?

E-J answered mostly, just sharing the signing dates for the up-and-coming seniors.

Early signing period is November 8 - November 15, 2017.

I see Tom just posted too...

 

[Shot of Espresso]

So we only have Berge signing this class? Or is anyone else signing tomorrow?

 

[El-Jefe]

So we only have Berge signing this class? Or is anyone else signing tomorrow?

Our incoming class so far is Berge, Nick Lee, Mason Manville, Joey Blumer, and Scott Obendorfer (Maryland). (I don't think I'm missing anyone.) Berge, Lee, and Manville are signed. Not sure if Blumer or Obendorfer did in November or will now -- or at all, if either is a pure walk on (zero athletic aid), then there's no need to sign, just enroll.

 

[BDB57]

Something in this thread just led me to a question. If a wrestler walks on without any aid and continues his true walk on ways with no athletic aid could he transfer to another D-1 institution with absolutely no restrictions (such as mandatory loss of one year eligibility if transferring within the BIG).

 

[BDB57]

and could that situation be the same for ROTC recruits?

 

[psugrad85]

Our incoming class so far is Berge, Nick Lee, Mason Manville, Joey Blumer, and Scott Obendorfer (Maryland). (I don't think I'm missing anyone.) Berge, Lee, and Manville are signed. Not sure if Blumer or Obendorfer did in November or will now -- or at all, if either is a pure walk on (zero athletic aid), then there's no need to sign, just enroll.

Blumer signing

 

[Pennstate1985]

Our incoming class so far is Berge, Nick Lee, Mason Manville, Joey Blumer, and Scott Obendorfer (Maryland). (I don't think I'm missing anyone.) Berge, Lee, and Manville are signed. Not sure if Blumer or Obendorfer did in November or will now -- or at all, if either is a pure walk on (zero athletic aid), then there's no need to sign, just enroll.

Here's a related question to BDB57's. If a walk on eventually receives athletic aid in say their sophomore year, do they then need to sign a NLI to close the university and NCAA loop so to speak, or can they get aid in a "paperless" fashion without commitment to the university?

 

[RoarLions1]

Here's a related question to BDB57's. If a walk on eventually receives athletic aid in say their sophomore year, do they then need to sign a NLI to close the university and NCAA loop so to speak, or can they get aid in a "paperless" fashion without commitment to the university?

NLI's are not required. When signed, they benefit both party's.

 

[KidNittany]

Our incoming class so far is Berge, Nick Lee, Mason Manville, Joey Blumer, and Scott Obendorfer (Maryland). (I don't think I'm missing anyone.) Berge, Lee, and Manville are signed. Not sure if Blumer or Obendorfer did in November or will now -- or at all, if either is a pure walk on (zero athletic aid), then there's no need to sign, just enroll.

McClanahan too

 

[FineMaterial]

Our incoming class so far is Berge, Nick Lee, Mason Manville, Joey Blumer, and Scott Obendorfer (Maryland). (I don't think I'm missing anyone.) Berge, Lee, and Manville are signed. Not sure if Blumer or Obendorfer did in November or will now -- or at all, if either is a pure walk on (zero athletic aid), then there's no need to sign, just enroll.

Actually there is no need to sign, period. It's only purpose is to nail down the student for the school. It has nothing at all to do with scholarships. Scholarship offers are a verbal agreement with the coach, the NLI has nothing to do with it officially. A coach may make the scholarship dependent on the NLI, but again there is nothing in the rule book. NLI is a one sided deal for the school.

 

[RoarLions1]

Actually there is no need to sign, period. It's only purpose is to nail down the student for the school. It has nothing at all to do with scholarships. Scholarship offers are a verbal agreement with the coach, the NLI has nothing to do with it officially. A coach may make the scholarship dependent on the NLI, but again there is nothing in the rule book. NLI is a one sided deal for the school.

Scholarships are not just a "verbal agreement with the coach". The NLI is an agreement that benefits both the student and the school.

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
- A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

- The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

 

[Pennstate1985]

Scholarships are not just a "verbal agreement with the coach". The NLI is an agreement that benefits both the student and the school.

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
- A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

- The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

That may be very true Roar, but if Spencer Lee were still available and asked Cael for athletic aid without a NLI, what are the chances Cael waves goodbye? Maybe he does, but probably most/all coaches would not. I don't see the NLI as evenhanded, as the school is committed aid-wise for one year whereas the student is committed for five years with regard to transfer rules.

 

[FineMaterial]

Scholarships are not just a "verbal agreement with the coach". The NLI is an agreement that benefits both the student and the school.

The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution.
- A prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

- The institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).

This is the usual practice in wrestling. In actual practice it's not binding on the school it's only binding on the student. As it turns out for football and basketball the schools can withdraw the offer by not admitting the student. It's not ethical but it's done a lot in revenue sports, and it's legal per the NCAA. Top schools use the practice to get out of trouble when they have too many commits.

 

[RoarLions1]

That may be very true Roar, but if Spencer Lee were still available and asked Cael for athletic aid without a NLI, what are the chances Cael waves goodbye? Maybe he does, but probably most/all coaches would not. I don't see the NLI as evenhanded, as the school is committed aid-wise for one year whereas the student is committed for five years with regard to transfer rules.

This was only a quote from the rulebook. The statement was made that it's a one-sided agreement, or contract. It's not.

I agree it's a different world, and maybe changes need to be considered. That's another discussion.

 

[RoarLions1]

Actually there is no need to sign, period. It's only purpose is to nail down the student for the school. It has nothing at all to do with scholarships. Scholarship offers are a verbal agreement with the coach, the NLI has nothing to do with it officially. A coach may make the scholarship dependent on the NLI, but again there is nothing in the rule book. NLI is a one sided deal for the school.

I must not be understanding. This was your original post that I was answering with the rulebook cut/paste. Here's another;

When I sign an NLI what do I agree to do?

When you sign an NLI, you agree to attend the institution listed on the NLI for one academic year in exchange for that institution awarding athletics financial aid for one academic year.

So it does come with a one-year guarantee for financial aid (scholarship). The Financial Aid obligation from the school is in the form of an official document, not just a verbal agreement with the coach.

Here's another Q&A...

Am I required to sign an NLI?

No. You are not required to sign an NLI but many prospective student-athletes sign because they want to create certainty in the recruiting process. Specifically, by signing an NLI, you agree to attend the institution for one year in exchange for the institution's promise, in writing, to provide you athletics financial aid for the entire academic year. Simply, by signing an NLI you are given an award including athletics aid for the upcoming academic year provided you are admitted to the institution and you are eligible for athletics aid under NCAA rules. Furthermore, by signing an NLI you effectively end the recruiting process. Once you sign an NLI, a recruiting ban goes into effect and you may no longer be recruited by any other NLI school.