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Trace needs to stop bailing out of the pocket at the first sight of a rush. Although he made a lot of plays outside of the pocket in 2016 he had a lot of success waiting in the pocket and allowing time for his receivers to get open downfield for deep plays. This year, he seems to bail out(always to his right) and then he is kind of stuck in no man's land. Oh and teams now know that if you get pressure or even the appearance of a blitz or pressure up the middle, he will bail out to his right. It's going to be a problem in the second half of the season if he doesn't learn to stand in there and allow his receivers to get open. I distincly rememner one play against indiana where there was no pressure to trace's left or middle and he just bailed to his right for some reason and it was right into the man fries had pushed upfield. It was literally the only place he couldn't go but he is predermined to bail right(And sometimes backward at that).
 
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Trace needs to stop bailing out of the pocket at the first sight of a rush. Although he made a lot of plays outside of the pocket in 2016 he had a lot of success waiting in the pocket and allowing time for his receivers to get open downfield for deep plays. This year, he seems to bail out(always to his right) and then he is kind of stuck in no man's land. Oh and teams now know that if you get pressure or even the appearance of a blitz or pressure up the middle, he will bail out to his right. It's going to be a problem in the second half of the season if he doesn't learn to stand in there and allow his receivers to get open.
Shhhhhhhhhhh! How dare you be a fan yet recognize a deficiency in one of our players.

I think you're dead right here.
 
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Trace needs to stop bailing out of the pocket at the first sight of a rush. Although he made a lot of plays outside of the pocket in 2016 he had a lot of success waiting in the pocket and allowing time for his receivers to get open downfield for deep plays. This year, he seems to bail out(always to his right) and then he is kind of stuck in no man's land. Oh and teams now know that if you get pressure or even the appearance of a blitz or pressure up the middle, he will bail out to his right. It's going to be a problem in the second half of the season if he doesn't learn to stand in there and allow his receivers to get open. I distincly rememner one play against indiana where there was no pressure to trace's left or middle and he just bailed to his right for some reason and it was right into the man fries had pushed upfield. It was literally the only place he couldn't go but he is predermined to bail right(And sometimes backward at that).

He's played fine. I agree he's had a little too much happy feet and seems to want to flush out of the pocket instead of stepping up. But, from a fan's perspective, it looks bad because he's missed a couple of really easy throws. That miss of Gesicki against Indy was perhaps the worst throw he's made this year. There was nobody within five yards of a 6-6 guy and you overthrow him?

Aside from that, he hasn't made many bad throws or forced the ball. He also made some great plays the only time we really needed it; that last drive against Iowa.

I am not concerned about Trace.

My only real concerns about this team are their inconsistent line play, inability to sustain drives and short yardage situations.
 
I believe some folks expect perfection from Trace and the team in general. He nor any other QB is going to be able to locate the open receiver and hit every pass on every play. I guess the team is a victim of its own success.
 
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I actually have fewer issues with Trace in the passing game, then I do in his RPO decision making. I feel like there were multiple times Barkley would have made substantial gains, against Indiana, if he actually had the ball. However, Trace chose to keep it. The little extra time allowed the defense to shed a few blocks and stop the play for no gain.

The batted balls against Iowa are as much of a reason for Trace to leave the pocket, as "happy feet".
 
He's played fine. I agree he's had a little too much happy feet and seems to want to flush out of the pocket instead of stepping up. But, from a fan's perspective, it looks bad because he's missed a couple of really easy throws. That miss of Gesicki against Indy was perhaps the worst throw he's made this year. There was nobody within five yards of a 6-6 guy and you overthrow him?

Aside from that, he hasn't made many bad throws or forced the ball. He also made some great plays the only time we really needed it; that last drive against Iowa.

I am not concerned about Trace.

My only real concerns about this team are their inconsistent line play, inability to sustain drives and short yardage situations.

Spot on. I think the calls to bench Trace are abhorrent and ridiculous based on his performance. I think he has largely played well and as Herbsreit said during the Iowa game about Trace..."I trust him." I just think he needs to settle down a little bit, stay in the pocket when there isnt a big rush, and go through his progressions a bit more.
 
He's played fine. I agree he's had a little too much happy feet and seems to want to flush out of the pocket instead of stepping up. But, from a fan's perspective, it looks bad because he's missed a couple of really easy throws. That miss of Gesicki against Indy was perhaps the worst throw he's made this year. There was nobody within five yards of a 6-6 guy and you overthrow him?

Aside from that, he hasn't made many bad throws or forced the ball. He also made some great plays the only time we really needed it; that last drive against Iowa.

I am not concerned about Trace.

My only real concerns about this team are their inconsistent line play, inability to sustain drives and short yardage situations.

I agree with this guy. Trace just seems to be missing some of the easy crossing routes and is lost in the pocket (as compared to last season). Seems like last year Trace could not miss (yep, he spoiled me) :)
 
Stop Doubting Trace McSorley
Penn State’s quarterback has already proven he can lead the Nittany Lions to a Big Ten Championship, so why are there calls for him to be benched?

by PatrickKoerbler Oct 2, 2017, 9:00am EDT

Lebanon Daily News-USA TODAY NETWORK


Link: https://www.blackshoediaries.com/2017/10/2/16392980/stop-doubting-trace-mcsorley-penn-state-football-tommy-stevens-quarterback-james-franklin

Penn State rolled past Indiana, defeating the Hoosiers 45-14. But despite the comfortable victory, the talk after the game wasn’t about the Nittany Lions moving to 5-0 for the first time since 2008. Instead, it was about why Trace McSorley should be benched for Tommy Stevens.

Penn State boat-raced Indiana in the first quarter, but the Nittany Lions’ offense came back down to earth in the second, with a large part of that falling on McSorley’s shoulders. He was 3-of-8 for just 20 yards, and added an interception to boot. Not surprisingly, Penn State didn’t reach pay dirt in the second, leading the way for irrational calls for McSorley’s job.

Fortunately, football is a game of four quarters. For the other three quarters, McSorley played a pretty solid game, finishing the day 23-of-36 for 315 yards, two touchdowns, and just that one interception. If you take away his second quarter dip, McSorley was 20-of-28 for 295 yards and two touchdowns — hardly a performance that deserves the ridicule it’s been met with.

Has McSorley been as good as people, myself included, expected him to be this year? No, probably not. While Saquon Barkley was always the Heisman candidate in the Penn State backfield, McSorley was a legitimate dark horse for the award. To this point in the season, for whatever reason, he hasn’t played at that level. But that’s okay. Just because he hasn’t played at a Heisman-esque level, doesn’t mean he should be benched.

Wanting to bench a starting quarterback in favor of the backup is nothing new in college football. The backup quarterback is always one of the most popular players amongst the fan base. How many people wanted Anthony Morelli to start over Michael Robinson heading into 2005? What about Pat Devlin over Daryll Clark in 2008? And, of course, there was the Bolden-McGloin saga in 2010-2011. Whenever anything looks off for an offense, the laziest easiest way for a fan base to reason with the struggles is to conclude that the backup is better.

Granted, sometimes that is the case. USC rocketed last season when they benched Max Browne for Sam Darnold, but that situation warranted a change under center. Browne was actually bad, and USC was off to a 1-2 start. But here, McSorley is actually not bad — he’s on pace for 42 total touchdowns and 4,286 yards of total offense, while his completion percentage is up 7% from last season — and he’s led Penn State to a 5-0 start and the No. 4 ranking the country. There’s certainly room for improvement, but to bench a player of that caliber? Absolutely absurd.

I’m known to make some jokes about people “doubting” McSorley, but seriously, stop doubting this kid. I think what this really comes back to is that people see he doesn’t have the physical traits of a prototypical quarterback, so any success he’s had is then chalked up to luck. Because every thing else — you know, like his play on the field — points toward McSorley being a really good quarterback. Yeah, he doesn’t have the height or the frame, his throwing motion isn’t smooth, and he even runs a little funny, but guess what? He’s 16-3 as Penn State’s starter. He helped lead Penn State to a Big Ten championship. And even this year, in the season’s most important drive to date, he proved (again) that he’s a winner.

You can continue to harp on every mistake McSorley makes, because trust me, he isn’t infallible. Or you can realize that despite McSorley’s “struggles,” his numbers are up across the board. This is still the same quarterback that took Penn State to unforeseen heights last season, and he’s capable to do it again.
 
Are people calling on him to be benched? I had not seen that. That seems odd to me. While I think that he can improve, I still believe that he has the best shot at leading this team.

That's just a cheap media trick. Saying the word "people" can mean just some random guy on an internet board. They don't have to clarify what they mean by "people" but, it gives them a basis for their article. No one, of any importance what so ever, is calling for Trace to be benched. It's similar to the Franklin is on the hot seat theme last year. The only ones saying Franklin was on the hot seat were the media members themselves.
 
Stats are great but video analysis is a more accurate way to assess what is going on with a player. The plausible reasons given for our concerns by the author...like RT are legitimate, except for the receivers not getting open. They have been open and missed. No one is complaining about Traces big play making what concerns folks is not sustaining drives because of balls thrown into the ground when first or second RPO's receivers are wide open. Is that occurring more than last year? (this would be a meaningful stat one could cull from film) Unforced errors .... are they up, down or the same. The coaching staff is watching the films and they know why the errors we see are happening. I am confident in Trace, the receiver corp and our coaches getting the causes of any wrinkles identified and ironed out, without the help of journalists.
 
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That's just a cheap media trick. Saying the word "people" can mean just some random guy on an internet board. They don't have to clarify what they mean by "people" but, it gives them a basis for their article. No one, of any importance what so ever, is calling for Trace to be benched. It's similar to the Franklin is on the hot seat theme last year. The only ones saying Franklin was on the hot seat were the media members themselves.


 
He has forced a few that resulted in negative plays. A good example is the isnt v Indy. I also think he needs to give receivers a better chance to make the catch on long balls. He has had a few go out of bounds or the ball was just flat out uncatchable. The receives have been good st going up and making plays.

He is a good qb and a good leader. I have no interest in benching him. The backup qb is the most popular player in just about every football team. But that’s onuntalled and unknown potential.
 
That's just a cheap media trick. Saying the word "people" can mean just some random guy on an internet board. They don't have to clarify what they mean by "people" but, it gives them a basis for their article. No one, of any importance what so ever, is calling for Trace to be benched. It's similar to the Franklin is on the hot seat theme last year. The only ones saying Franklin was on the hot seat were the media members themselves.
Great post. This board is a pretty good cross sampling of anyone that has an opinion about PSU football (good, bad, or indifferent) and nobody is "calling for McSorley to be benched".
 
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That's just a cheap media trick. Saying the word "people" can mean just some random guy on an internet board. They don't have to clarify what they mean by "people" but, it gives them a basis for their article. No one, of any importance what so ever, is calling for Trace to be benched. It's similar to the Franklin is on the hot seat theme last year. The only ones saying Franklin was on the hot seat were the media members themselves.

I'm talking about the people that reside on this particular blog. If you think its media driven, read back through the Iowa game thread. Multiple multiple posters saying trace sucks and it's Tommy time. Many were out again in the Indiana game thread. It's beyond the pale to turn your back on a QB that is 15-1 since Michigan last year.
 
Great post. This board is a pretty good cross sampling of anyone that has an opinion about PSU football (good, bad, or indifferent) and nobody is "calling for McSorley to be benched".

That is patently false. Read through the game threads. And it's not just the occasional troll, it our own well known members.
 
I actually have fewer issues with Trace in the passing game, then I do in his RPO decision making. I feel like there were multiple times Barkley would have made substantial gains, against Indiana, if he actually had the ball. However, Trace chose to keep it. The little extra time allowed the defense to shed a few blocks and stop the play for no gain.

The batted balls against Iowa are as much of a reason for Trace to leave the pocket, as "happy feet".

totally agree with your comment about his RPO decision making. Its almost like he decides to keep or give before making any read. My son is the QB for his HS team that runs alot of RPO type reads and he was screaming at Trace the entire first half for making the wrong reads. It wasn't just the Indiana game either. I'm not worried about it because i know he is a competitor and will clean it up.
 
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Stop Doubting Trace McSorley
Penn State’s quarterback has already proven he can lead the Nittany Lions to a Big Ten Championship, so why are there calls for him to be benched?

by PatrickKoerbler Oct 2, 2017, 9:00am EDT

Lebanon Daily News-USA TODAY NETWORK


Link: https://www.blackshoediaries.com/2017/10/2/16392980/stop-doubting-trace-mcsorley-penn-state-football-tommy-stevens-quarterback-james-franklin

Penn State rolled past Indiana, defeating the Hoosiers 45-14. But despite the comfortable victory, the talk after the game wasn’t about the Nittany Lions moving to 5-0 for the first time since 2008. Instead, it was about why Trace McSorley should be benched for Tommy Stevens.

Penn State boat-raced Indiana in the first quarter, but the Nittany Lions’ offense came back down to earth in the second, with a large part of that falling on McSorley’s shoulders. He was 3-of-8 for just 20 yards, and added an interception to boot. Not surprisingly, Penn State didn’t reach pay dirt in the second, leading the way for irrational calls for McSorley’s job.

Fortunately, football is a game of four quarters. For the other three quarters, McSorley played a pretty solid game, finishing the day 23-of-36 for 315 yards, two touchdowns, and just that one interception. If you take away his second quarter dip, McSorley was 20-of-28 for 295 yards and two touchdowns — hardly a performance that deserves the ridicule it’s been met with.

Has McSorley been as good as people, myself included, expected him to be this year? No, probably not. While Saquon Barkley was always the Heisman candidate in the Penn State backfield, McSorley was a legitimate dark horse for the award. To this point in the season, for whatever reason, he hasn’t played at that level. But that’s okay. Just because he hasn’t played at a Heisman-esque level, doesn’t mean he should be benched.

Wanting to bench a starting quarterback in favor of the backup is nothing new in college football. The backup quarterback is always one of the most popular players amongst the fan base. How many people wanted Anthony Morelli to start over Michael Robinson heading into 2005? What about Pat Devlin over Daryll Clark in 2008? And, of course, there was the Bolden-McGloin saga in 2010-2011. Whenever anything looks off for an offense, the laziest easiest way for a fan base to reason with the struggles is to conclude that the backup is better.

Granted, sometimes that is the case. USC rocketed last season when they benched Max Browne for Sam Darnold, but that situation warranted a change under center. Browne was actually bad, and USC was off to a 1-2 start. But here, McSorley is actually not bad — he’s on pace for 42 total touchdowns and 4,286 yards of total offense, while his completion percentage is up 7% from last season — and he’s led Penn State to a 5-0 start and the No. 4 ranking the country. There’s certainly room for improvement, but to bench a player of that caliber? Absolutely absurd.

I’m known to make some jokes about people “doubting” McSorley, but seriously, stop doubting this kid. I think what this really comes back to is that people see he doesn’t have the physical traits of a prototypical quarterback, so any success he’s had is then chalked up to luck. Because every thing else — you know, like his play on the field — points toward McSorley being a really good quarterback. Yeah, he doesn’t have the height or the frame, his throwing motion isn’t smooth, and he even runs a little funny, but guess what? He’s 16-3 as Penn State’s starter. He helped lead Penn State to a Big Ten championship. And even this year, in the season’s most important drive to date, he proved (again) that he’s a winner.

You can continue to harp on every mistake McSorley makes, because trust me, he isn’t infallible. Or you can realize that despite McSorley’s “struggles,” his numbers are up across the board. This is still the same quarterback that took Penn State to unforeseen heights last season, and he’s capable to do it again.

Okay. Away we go.

This Kobler fella says you can't segment the game into quarters but then contradicts himself by taking away the 2nd quarter in order to reinforce his argument? No thank you.

Second, I don't recall seeing a chorus of voices here asking for a QB change. I do however recall posts asking to see more of Tommy Stephens. There's a big difference there!

My only harp on Trace is THROW THE BALL AWAY! You're a second-year starting QB. Stop giving up so many negative yardage plays. It's going to pay dividends against a team like Michigan that leads the conference in sacks and loss-of-yards off sacks. Throw the ball away.
 
That is patently false. Read through the game threads. And it's not just the occasional troll, it our own well known members.

Bullshit. I did a search and checked where Stevens was mentioned during the Iowa game thread. A few people were asking about he Stevens package and one, maybe two wanted to give Stevens a series in the game. None called for a benching of McSorley. And as someone said, it's ridiculous to site game threads as evidence of anything.
 
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Great post. This board is a pretty good cross sampling of anyone that has an opinion about PSU football (good, bad, or indifferent) and nobody is "calling for McSorley to be benched".
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Bench McSorley? That's crazy-talk. It's even too much to suggest anything is wrong with him, including writing an article claiming "nothing is wrong".

He's doing well and there's nobody I'd pick over him to throw that last ball in Iowa City. He's also had poor protection at times and he's thrown some awful passes.

Big picture, there's nothing wrong. But when it comes to some finer details, I'd rather him work more on his football passing than his baseball swing and punting game.
 
Bullshit. I did a search and checked where Stevens was mentioned during the Iowa game thread. A few people were asking about he Stevens package and one, maybe two wanted to give Stevens a series in the game. None called for a benching of McSorley. And as someone said, it's ridiculous to site game threads as evidence of anything.

Hang on Knight, you did a key word search of all 32 pages of the Iowa- game thread? You searched for "stevens." Did you also search for "McSorley sucks?" Or, we should get "Stevens some run"(essentially the same thing as benching McSorley no)?

On another point, why are different rules subscribed to game threads? Are you telling me that if something is said in a game thread that it wasn't ever said? So there is a parallel universe in which there is one form of a thread where things typed disappear into thin air? Here is what I think, I think people said we should bench McSorley or some variation of that (play stevens at qb, trace needs a series or 2 off to get his head on straight, etc.) and instead of taking responsibility for it, they are suggesting it is some sort of contrived media exploit of our fanbase. To that, I too say Bullshit Knight. You know people said it, you know its embarrassing and rash, and instead of making excuses for it or suggesting that because it was said in game thread its okay.....we should put our names behind things we say at impulse. Its called responsibility and accountability. I don't think trace should be benched and I own that, even when he is playing poorly in the middle of the second quarter in a high stakes football game.
 
Game threads - LOL. There is no place on earth more "schizophrenic-ly" optimistic and pessimistic with every snap of the football than a live game thread.

I've always thought that anyone who is posting to a message board DURING a game needs to get some friends...
 
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I think Stevens should have been given a couple of series to play, that would not be "benching" Trace but merely giving Tommy some time. You never know, he could really be needed down the road.
 
Hang on Knight, you did a key word search of all 32 pages of the Iowa- game thread? You searched for "stevens." Did you also search for "McSorley sucks?" Or, we should get "Stevens some run"(essentially the same thing as benching McSorley no)?

On another point, why are different rules subscribed to game threads? Are you telling me that if something is said in a game thread that it wasn't ever said? So there is a parallel universe in which there is one form of a thread where things typed disappear into thin air? Here is what I think, I think people said we should bench McSorley or some variation of that (play stevens at qb, trace needs a series or 2 off to get his head on straight, etc.) and instead of taking responsibility for it, they are suggesting it is some sort of contrived media exploit of our fanbase. To that, I too say Bullshit Knight. You know people said it, you know its embarrassing and rash, and instead of making excuses for it or suggesting that because it was said in game thread its okay.....we should put our names behind things we say at impulse. Its called responsibility and accountability. I don't think trace should be benched and I own that, even when he is playing poorly in the middle of the second quarter in a high stakes football game.

Just to get this back on track, you responded to a post of mine. In that post I said " No one, of any importance what so ever, is calling for Trace to be benched." I also said that when an author of an article is saying "people" are talking this or that about some team, that it is a cheap trick because "people" could just be some random internet guy. I'm not arguing that no one on the internet called for Trace to be benched. I'm just saying they are insignificant and their opinion means nothing.
 
Just to get this back on track, you responded to a post of mine. In that post I said " No one, of any importance what so ever, is calling for Trace to be benched." I also said that when an author of an article is saying "people" are talking this or that about some team, that it is a cheap trick because "people" could just be some random internet guy. I'm not arguing that no one on the internet called for Trace to be benched. I'm just saying they are insignificant and their opinion means nothing.

Fair enough knight. Cheers
 
To be honest, I worried about him too this year after a few uncharacteristic mistakes but I'm not that worried. I mean, CJF just listed about 6 or 7 key areas where he is better than last year.

I think some of the problems he's having are that defenses are game-planning for him specifically now. There's a lot of tape out there; and they're giving him some looks he hasn't seen before. Iowa realized they could obscure his throwing lanes (because they're tall and he isn't). Indiana came up with some well designed D-Line stunts which always seemed to arrive at the right time (at the mesh point on running plays), and timed blitzes into his running lanes (with really great contain discipline). I'm not worried because he's a winner and he will eventually figure it out. Winners don't quit.

And what's even more interesting is that I think the criticism might be a good thing! The naysayers and doubters will only drive this guy. It's his mental makeup. It's what he's used to, and it's happened to him his entire life. Too small, not fast enough, not big enough, etc, etc, etc. Some players wilt under criticism but he seems to thrive under it. Which kind of means when you doubt him, you're just pissing him off.

In the next couple of games, you're going to see a lights out performance from Trace McSorley. Mark it down!
 
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