It’s time for Terry Smith to gracefully exit from PSU’s staff.

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Here’s why

1. He was hired by James Franklin in 2014 from Temple, not for his coaching prowess, but rather his connections within the Western PA high school circuit

2. Terry was a decent receiver for PSU, but he certainly wasn’t anything resembling O.J. McDuffie or Bobby Engram. So what qualifies him to be PSU’s primary secondary coach?

3. He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

4. His “tended flock” of DB’s are incredibly slow, un-athletic and either arrive late or are wholly out of position on most every deep pass play. Hmmmm ?

5. I don’t see any 4+ or 5 star recruits clamoring to come to PSU because of Terry’s coaching prowess.

6. Instead, I see an underqualified coach instructing his players to grab at/near the line of scrimmage, be in poor position when an opponent’s deep ball is thrown and avoid contact of any sort and after getting “burned”.

It is easy to see that the likes of Bryan Scott, Mark Robinson, Kim Herring, David Macklin, Ray Isom or Adrian Amos we’re never tuttled by this “in over his head” instructor.

 

[Bertway0]

You tell 'em Peetz. Jamesfranklin@aol.com, send him an email, I'm sure he'll follow your great suggestion.

 

[PSU Dave]

Here’s why

1. He was hired by James Franklin in 2014 from Temple, not for his coaching prowess, but rather his connections within the Western PA high school circuit

2. Terry was a decent receiver for PSU, but he certainly wasn’t anything resembling O.J. McDuffie or Bobby Engram. So what qualifies him to be PSU’s primary secondary coach?

3. He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

4. His “tended flock” of DB’s are incredibly slow, un-athletic and either arrive late or are wholly out of position on most every deep pass play. Hmmmm ?

5. I don’t see any 4+ or 5 star recruits clamoring to come to PSU because of Terry’s coaching prowess.

6. Instead, I see an underqualified coach instructing his players to grab at/near the line of scrimmage, be in poor position when an opponent’s deep ball is thrown and avoid contact of any sort and after getting “burned”.

It is easy to see that the likes of Bryan Scott, Mark Robinson, Kim Herring, David Macklin, Ray Isom or Adrian Amos we’re never tuttled by this “in over his head” instructor.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Serious?


Nah...... couldn’t be.

Serious.

I’m probably not alone in observing what Pitt’s and Purdue’s unimpressive WR’s were able to regularly haul down in front of PSU’s defensive corps...almost corpse-like at times.

Ohio State’s, Michigan’s and Indiana’s WR’s are going to slobber at the prospect of catching balls against Terry Smith’s secondary.

 

[SEPATOPTEN]

Here’s why

1. He was hired by James Franklin in 2014 from Temple, not for his coaching prowess, but rather his connections within the Western PA high school circuit

2. Terry was a decent receiver for PSU, but he certainly wasn’t anything resembling O.J. McDuffie or Bobby Engram. So what qualifies him to be PSU’s primary secondary coach?

3. He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

4. His “tended flock” of DB’s are incredibly slow, un-athletic and either arrive late or are wholly out of position on most every deep pass play. Hmmmm ?

5. I don’t see any 4+ or 5 star recruits clamoring to come to PSU because of Terry’s coaching prowess.

6. Instead, I see an underqualified coach instructing his players to grab at/near the line of scrimmage, be in poor position when an opponent’s deep ball is thrown and avoid contact of any sort and after getting “burned”.

It is easy to see that the likes of Bryan Scott, Mark Robinson, Kim Herring, David Macklin, Ray Isom or Adrian Amos we’re never tuttled by this “in over his head” instructor.

Have you been hit on the head recently? Terry Smith was a very good receiver and John Reid and Fields are good corners so right off the bat you are batting .000. We just graduated a top corner in A.O. Me thinks you got this all wrong.

 

[CoastGuard2018]

Are you mad because he left Rhule to come back here or what?

 

[jbenedict]

I don't know if I would agree with all that. I do know that our D backs seem to have good position but fail to get their head around and find the ball. It seems like we never can win balls when in good position.

 

[Countrylion]

Serious.

I’m probably not alone in observing what Pitt’s and Purdue’s unimpressive WR’s were able to regularly haul down in front of PSU’s defensive corps...almost corpse-like at times.

?????????????? Purdue had 109 yards total in the game and you want to fire a defensive coach?

 

[Bertway0]

But you've got to admit our secondary recruiting is waaaay down. Well be lucky if we can convince Shorter to switch to CB next year so we can get by. Its not like we have a STABLE of 4&5 star recruits with more on the way.........

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

?????????????? Purdue had 109 yards total in the game and you want to fire a defensive coach?

Yes. It was against Purdue.....even their receivers exposed Terry Smith’s secondary in the second half.

Such incompetence can’t be afforded against the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State or....Iowa.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Have you been hit on the head recently? Terry Smith was a very good receiver and John Reid and Fields are good corners so right off the bat you are batting .000. We just graduated a top corner in A.O. Me thinks you got this all wrong.

John Reid, Lamont Wade and TCF are slower than molasses in January. Further, they don’t “lay the wood” when given the opportunity....which brings us back full circle to their “non-coach”.....Terry Smith.....who needs to be shown to the curb.

I hate to be the pesky purveyor of reality and you are welcome to hate me if you want, but PSU’s secondary is incapable of competing against the upper half of the B1G’s teams.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Yes. It was against Purdue.....even their receivers exposed Terry Smith’s secondary in the second half.

Such incompetence can’t be afforded against the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State or....Iowa.

Word is Tom Bradley might be available after the Steelers trade Tomlin to the 'Skins at the end of the season.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Penn State’s DBs - as a group - have played better the last couple of years than they have at any time in the history of the program

Really?

 

[Safety Blitz]

Just curious:
Is there anyone posting on this board who is qualified to judge the qualifications of a D1 assistant football coach?
I’ll admit I’m “under qualified.”

 

[Lion8286]

Here’s why

1. He was hired by James Franklin in 2014 from Temple, not for his coaching prowess, but rather his connections within the Western PA high school circuit

2. Terry was a decent receiver for PSU, but he certainly wasn’t anything resembling O.J. McDuffie or Bobby Engram. So what qualifies him to be PSU’s primary secondary coach?

3. He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

4. His “tended flock” of DB’s are incredibly slow, un-athletic and either arrive late or are wholly out of position on most every deep pass play. Hmmmm ?

5. I don’t see any 4+ or 5 star recruits clamoring to come to PSU because of Terry’s coaching prowess.

6. Instead, I see an underqualified coach instructing his players to grab at/near the line of scrimmage, be in poor position when an opponent’s deep ball is thrown and avoid contact of any sort and after getting “burned”.

It is easy to see that the likes of Bryan Scott, Mark Robinson, Kim Herring, David Macklin, Ray Isom or Adrian Amos we’re never tuttled by this “in over his head” instructor.

Time for pee pee boy to.exit. Doesn't have to be graceful. Rough him up a bit.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Really?

Yes. And it's time for you to gracefully lay off the booze.

 

[Raffycorn]

Yes. It was against Purdue.....even their receivers exposed Terry Smith’s secondary in the second half.

Such incompetence can’t be afforded against the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State or....Iowa.

Purdue’s wide receivers had 112 yards as a group. I think Terry Smith will live with that level of “exposure.”

 

[djr4rebs]

Terry Smith took over as our CB coach in '14. Since then, we have had 7 players drafted out of our secondary.

From '00-'13, we had 8 players drafted out of our secondary.

So... seriously?

 

[Connorpozlee]

Here’s why

1. He was hired by James Franklin in 2014 from Temple, not for his coaching prowess, but rather his connections within the Western PA high school circuit

2. Terry was a decent receiver for PSU, but he certainly wasn’t anything resembling O.J. McDuffie or Bobby Engram. So what qualifies him to be PSU’s primary secondary coach?

3. He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

4. His “tended flock” of DB’s are incredibly slow, un-athletic and either arrive late or are wholly out of position on most every deep pass play. Hmmmm ?

5. I don’t see any 4+ or 5 star recruits clamoring to come to PSU because of Terry’s coaching prowess.

6. Instead, I see an underqualified coach instructing his players to grab at/near the line of scrimmage, be in poor position when an opponent’s deep ball is thrown and avoid contact of any sort and after getting “burned”.

It is easy to see that the likes of Bryan Scott, Mark Robinson, Kim Herring, David Macklin, Ray Isom or Adrian Amos we’re never tuttled by this “in over his head” instructor.

 

[GreggK]

Here’s why

1. He was hired by James Franklin in 2014 from Temple, not for his coaching prowess, but rather his connections within the Western PA high school circuit

2. Terry was a decent receiver for PSU, but he certainly wasn’t anything resembling O.J. McDuffie or Bobby Engram. So what qualifies him to be PSU’s primary secondary coach?

3. He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

4. His “tended flock” of DB’s are incredibly slow, un-athletic and either arrive late or are wholly out of position on most every deep pass play. Hmmmm ?

5. I don’t see any 4+ or 5 star recruits clamoring to come to PSU because of Terry’s coaching prowess.

6. Instead, I see an underqualified coach instructing his players to grab at/near the line of scrimmage, be in poor position when an opponent’s deep ball is thrown and avoid contact of any sort and after getting “burned”.

It is easy to see that the likes of Bryan Scott, Mark Robinson, Kim Herring, David Macklin, Ray Isom or Adrian Amos we’re never tuttled by this “in over his head” instructor.

Admit it, you are none other than Dave Petersen, world famous letter writer.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

John Reid, Lamont Wade and TCF are slower than molasses in January. Further, they don’t “lay the wood” when given the opportunity....which brings us back full circle to their “non-coach”.....Terry Smith.....who needs to be shown to the curb.

I hate to be the pesky purveyor of reality and you are welcome to hate me if you want, but PSU’s secondary is incapable of competing against the upper half of the B1G’s teams.

Drink plenty of water before sleep. I fear your head might hurt in the am.

 

[NittanyChris]

It's time for you to gracefully exit this message board. Any last remaining shred of credibility you may have had is now officially gone with this ludicrous post.

 

[marshall23]

Just curious:
Is there anyone posting on this board who is qualified to judge the qualifications of a D1 assistant football coach?
I’ll admit I’m “under qualified.”

Anyone who would be qualified, would not comment. Watching football, being a second stringer on the jv team in high school (tennis) play station champion and a solid beer drinker....pretty much is the average resume here.

 

[Aloha T]

You are talented at stirring the pot....at least I hope that's what this is...nobody could possibly be this ignorant...right?

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Penn State’s DBs - as a group - have played better the last couple of years than they have at any time in the history of the program.

Other than that though....... yeah

Really?

There is some validity to this. While PSU has had some great DBs over the years, they’ve also had a lot of decent guys who played soft zone, deep cover-2 to mask their inefficiencies.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Admit it, you are none other than Dave Petersen, world famous letter writer.

Nyet. I actually like JS’s dreds.

He was a bit boneheaded one time vs. Purdue (the other time was complete BS by the official), but Jonathan is a hard-working player.

Unlike you, I don’t judge a player by the length of their hair, but rather by the quality of their play on the field.

 

[Safety Blitz]

Anyone who would be qualified, would not comment. Watching football, being a second stringer on the jv team in high school (tennis) play station champion and a solid beer drinker....pretty much is the average resume here.

Kinda what I was thinking.

 

[LoyalandTrueLion]

Here’s why

1. He was hired by James Franklin in 2014 from Temple, not for his coaching prowess, but rather his connections within the Western PA high school circuit

2. Terry was a decent receiver for PSU, but he certainly wasn’t anything resembling O.J. McDuffie or Bobby Engram. So what qualifies him to be PSU’s primary secondary coach?

3. He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

4. His “tended flock” of DB’s are incredibly slow, un-athletic and either arrive late or are wholly out of position on most every deep pass play. Hmmmm ?

5. I don’t see any 4+ or 5 star recruits clamoring to come to PSU because of Terry’s coaching prowess.

6. Instead, I see an underqualified coach instructing his players to grab at/near the line of scrimmage, be in poor position when an opponent’s deep ball is thrown and avoid contact of any sort and after getting “burned”.

It is easy to see that the likes of Bryan Scott, Mark Robinson, Kim Herring, David Macklin, Ray Isom or Adrian Amos we’re never tuttled by this “in over his head” instructor.

there is no chance this staff hires anyone with Penn State ties unless they come post 2014. if Bobby engram wanted to come back and coach the wide outs he would be told no.

also yea terry is doing fine

edit since Barry couldn't detect that i ment going forward reagarding the hires. terry was brought on for multiple reasons at the time that served a purpose

 

[LoyalandTrueLion]

Terry Smith took over as our CB coach in '14. Since then, we have had 7 players drafted out of our secondary.

From '00-'13, we had 8 players drafted out of our secondary.

So... seriously?

crazy thing about that stat is from 2000-2008 the guide lists 9 DB (they count kilmer) and then none till amos in 15 (shocking)
Also the guide says 7 players since 2014. So I assume you are counting Grant H. so can we call it 9 with trevor williams

So if we do that we should count Chris Harrell, Anwar Phillips, Sean Meyer to make it 12 from 200-2008

So instead of aplitting hairs if we want to talk about coaching lets talk OL PSU has had 2 Linemen drafted since 2013 .. and does john Urshal count for their development?

 

[LoyalandTrueLion]

Any idea when/where Smith played his college ball?

yes Barry he was best route runner on the 1990 &1991 team better than OJ, i meant going forward and you knew that

 

[NittanyOpp]

DBs about the last place I’d start over the Franklin reign. Further, sometimes I even thought we’ve recruited too many good ones and lost out at other positions. TCQ and Reid are probably the second or third best duo in conference. Wade, meh. PSU seems to forever have lacked a true game wrecker at safety against the pass and run, that’d be nice to see in my lifetime.

Purdue WR jumped off the screen at me, you know the freshman who Franklin tried hard to get from Indiana, David Bell. He’s a talent and made some great catches. He’s an Indiana high school legend, so give him credit, he’ll be a star.

Limegrover Rahne there’s merit. We’re about to find out what merit the next three weeks. Smith, move on.

 

[NittanyLion15]

John Reid, Lamont Wade and TCF are slower than molasses in January. Further, they don’t “lay the wood” when given the opportunity....which brings us back full circle to their “non-coach”.....Terry Smith.....who needs to be shown to the curb.

I hate to be the pesky purveyor of reality and you are welcome to hate me if you want, but PSU’s secondary is incapable of competing against the upper half of the B1G’s teams.

No hate coming from this guy, I tend to agree with you. While the defense has been solid over the past three years, when we've struggled it usually came at the hands of the defense laying an egg, dropping an interception, or getting torched by mediocre passers who look like Elway against our defenses.

That said, there's plenty of additional issues that took place that lead to the epic collapses over the past few years, but the numbers don't lie, and our inabilty to get turnovers against the better teams on our schedule along with our inability to make adjustments, or worse... opposing offenses ability to make adjustments against our defenses leaving us without an answer late in close ball games have been the cuplrit in almost every loss.

With exception of Kentucky 2019 where the whole team played like shit.. and Pitt & Michigan 2016... where we got run over... When they effectively could run the ball against us, we gave up modest yardage and TDs, but they still didn't help the rush defense...

2016 MICH
Rushing - Team - 49 carries - 326 yds
Passing - W. Speight - 21-34 - 189 - YDS - 1 TD - 0 INT

2016 PITT
Rushing - Team - 56 carries - 341 yds
Passing - N. Peterman - 11-15 - 91 - YDS - 3 TD, 1 INT

Now in the other losses, (many of them featuring season changing EPIC comebacks by our opponent(s) Penn St struggled because:

• Takeaways - in the 6 losses we gave up 18 Passing TDs to 4 INTS!
• Shredded Secondary (see below)
• Our defense seemed to digress,
• Why is it that our opponents are consistently able to figure out our defense, are able to pick apart our secondary, however we're unable to make adjustments thwart comebacks?
• With exception of Michigan in 2018, 5 out of 6 losses over the past 3 years (listed below) were the result of blown coverages in our secondary leading to game winning field goals or game winning touchdown passes
• Had the secondary given up yardage in the beginning of games, and then adjusted down the stretch, I'd feel a lot better about the coaching, however the yardage always seems to come in the 4th quarter - making the team look week as they implode more often than not on the big stage..... the shittiest way to lose a football game.

Penn State's worst performances in the secondary over the past 3 years (in losses)

MSU 2017 - Brian Lewerke - 33/56 - 400 yds - 2 tds - 1 int
(Kicked Field Goal to beat us, Lewerke torched our D after the monsoon let up)

MSU 2018 - Brian Lewerke - 24/52 - 259 yds - 2 tds - 1 int
(Threw TD to beat us)

MICH 2018 - Shea Patterson - 11/17 - 144 yds - 2 tds - 0 int
(Patterson is average at best, sucks that his best game came against PSU last year)

OSU 2018 D. Haskins - 22-39 - 270 yds - 3 tds- 1 int
(Most yards came in 4th quarter)

OSU 2017 J.T. Barrett - 33-39 - 328 yds - 4 tds - 0 int
Among senior quarterback JT Barrett’s 44 career games as the Ohio State starting quarterback, his performance during the victory over Penn State ranks atop the list. The senior pulled the team from the brink of playoff elimination in the 39-38 come-from-behind victory. scarletandgame.com

USC 2017 S. Darnold - 33-53 - 453 yds - 5 tds!!!! - 1 INT
People always want to blame this on McSorley & his 3 INTs, however the secondary wasn't much help allowing over 450 passing yards!

Pass Defense rank & YPG -

2019 - Currently #29 - 189.8 ypg
2018 - Ended #15 - 181.5 ypg
2017 - Ended #47 - 211 ypg
2016 - Ended #50 - 216.6

Verdict is still out on this season... I'm not ready to write Smith & his unit off just yet, but if you look at the numbers, and think about how we lost the games we did... the secondary was the common culprit

In Passing Offense our upcoming opponents aren't world beaters

• Iowa #47 Passing O
• Michigan #73 Passing O
• Sparty #51 Pass O
• Minnehaha #57 Pass O

If we end up struggling to slow these offenses down, we'll know how legit or "elite" we are real quick.

We're 5 games in, and we finally get to see how good we actually are... Starting with the next two opponents in back to back primetime night games. You want the B1G stage? ... OPPORTUNITY IS KNOCKING.... I hope the secondary slams the door

 

[djr4rebs]

crazy thing about that stat is from 2000-2008 the guide lists 9 DB (they count kilmer) and then none till amos in 15 (shocking)
Also the guide says 7 players since 2014. So I assume you are counting Grant H. so can we call it 9 with trevor williams

So if we do that we should count Chris Harrell, Anwar Phillips, Sean Meyer to make it 12 from 200-2008

So instead of aplitting hairs if we want to talk about coaching lets talk OL PSU has had 2 Linemen drafted since 2013 .. and does john Urshal count for their development?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Penn_State_Nittany_Lions_in_the_NFL_draft

I visited this. Didn't pay attention to the names, I just looked at position. It is wiki, so it could have some errors.

 

[LoyalandTrueLion]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Penn_State_Nittany_Lions_in_the_NFL_draft

I visited this. Didn't pay attention to the names, I just looked at position. It is wiki, so it could have some errors.

I was just curious and having a late drink so pulled the book. The numbers do jump out you. Thanks for provoking my thoughts I haven't read one of those books in years yet i get one every year.

 

[djr4rebs]

I was just curious and having a late drink so pulled the book. The numbers do jump out you. Thanks for provoking my thoughts I haven't read one of those books in years yet i get one every year.

Welcome bud.

Does your book count UDFAs the same as drafted players? Curious if that makes for the difference in numbers.

 

[nittanyfan333]

Why do you people respond to this idiot? You’re fueling his trolling. Use your brains and think logically about some of his comments. John Reid is slow as molasses in January? Dude man runs a sub 4.4 40.


Stop it.... just stop it.

 

[Doc-M]

OP should make a graceful EXIT. Terry is an awesome coach and recruiter.

 

[TheGLOV]

Any idea when/where Smith played his college ball?

Some place very close to Tyrone Pa. I think.

 

[bmw199]

He’s no longer capable of tapping into his limited network and successfully recruiting 4 or 5 star defensive backfield recruits out of Western PA, because he’s lost or offended his previous connections and/or there just isn’t much football talent residing in Western PA at this position

Derrick Davis Jr

 

[PSUcup1]

yes Barry he was best route runner on the 1990 &1991 team better than OJ, i meant going forward and you knew that

Curious as to why it was ok to hire Terry 2 years removed from all the BS... but would not be ok to hire a former player now?? (I realize that you personally don’t hold that belief, just wonder why you feel the powers that be do)