It wasn't meant to be posted as that just stating that as a whole the country has a lot of other issues leading to its high rate for the virus
Italy still on figurative fire (USA in trouble)
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Water availability is another long-term issue for a lot of people, individual countries, even. If you don’t think it’s a problem now then just try convincing yourself it still won’t be a problem in twenty or thirty years.
Site breaks down age groups of those in our County with Cvirus. The two largest age groups are 20-29 and 30 to 39. To date, those 70+ have been the least effected. It will be interesting to look at this 14 days from now. This site covers all Counties in PA.
https://chesco.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bce5af8a6f454ee78e00b5adc67f4c4a
"This data my not align with PA DOH positive test results listed on their website due to different criteria used for what is counted as a positive case."
What is that supposed to mean?
You have presumptive positive cases, which means that a person has tested postive by a local lab, then you have confirmed positive which means that the test has been confirmed by a CDC lab. You need the second step to rule out false positives.
There shouldn't be an interim status of presumptive anymore. CDC said that was no longer necessary due to the testing at the state and federal level being the same.
this is a huge #1 priority to figure out ASAP. If you are under 50 year old and generally healthy what is the difference between this and the flu with respect to needing to be hospatilized. Gotta know this information as that is the group that has to be let out of quarantine as soon as possible to start working again and get the supply chain and economy back up and moving at some speed. the reasoning being that you can let this large group out and start the world again knowing that the hospitals can take the very small percent that require higher level of attention then just staying home like you do when you have the regular flu. also this group starts to get the 'herd immunity' we hear about.
Then I have no idea what it means. Could be the sentence was just left over trom a week or so ago and nobody has thought to change it.
This is a moronic take and shows how easy it is to manipulate people. Anti-immigration groups want to use this crisis to scare folks into isolationist trade policy - and you are lapping it up and regurgitating the fake news.
For example, can you provide a valid source for your statement that ‘lots of workers from Wuhan’? You can’t, because these talking points all go back to BS tweets from Alt Right politicians. Stop being a patsy.
The garment industry in Italy which is where the outbreak started employs approximately 300,000 Chinese immigrants, many from the Wuhan area. That is Italy's way to keep their textile industry in Italy and allow them to say "made in Italy".
Seeing 602 deaths in Italy since yesterday. Still a ton, but it's the second consecutive day of declining deaths.
Let's hope it's an indication that they are getting over the hump.
Let's hope it's an indication that they are getting over the hump.
It’s fair to say there’s no proof they’re from Wuhan (at least I haven’t seen it) but, at the same time, there’s no denying there is a huge Chinese population in north central Italy. It’s one of the largest concentrations of Chinese owned businesses in Europe with at least 50,000 Chinese citizens that work there and has been a source of friction with Italian authorities for a while.
https://spectator.org/coronavirus-the-price-of-luxury/
As the United States prepares for a second week of lockdown to slow the spread of the Chinese coronavirus (COVID-19), hundreds of people in Italy are dying every day from this disease. And the reason why Italy now has more coronavirus deaths than any other country can be summarized in a single word — luxury.
In the world of fashion, the “Made in Italy” tag has a distinct value associated with luxury and status. Merchants can charge higher prices for clothing, shoes, handbags, and other fashion goods manufactured in Italy, and that value was coveted by certain Chinese entrepreneurs. During the past three decades, more and more Chinese investors bought into textile and leather-good factories in northern Italy, and they brought over Chinese laborers to work in those factories. By 2010, there were reportedly 60,000 Chinese in Prato, an industrial suburb of Florence. To accommodate Italy’s new foreign labor force, nonstop flights were established between China and Rome.
None of this was a secret. The Chinese takeover of “Made in Italy” fashion was reported by, among other publications, the Chicago Tribune (“Chinese immigrants transform Italy’s fashion industry,” Jan. 2, 2009), the New York Times (“Chinese Remake the ‘Made in Italy’ Fashion Label,” Sept. 12, 2010), the BBC (“The Italian fashion capital being led by the Chinese,” Feb. 12, 2013), Reuters (“Italy’s Chinese garment workshops boom as workers suffer,” Dec. 29, 2013), the Associated Press (“Clashes amid Italy’s crackdown on its Chinese community,” July 1, 2016) and the New Yorker (“The Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Tuscany,” April 9, 2018). In the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, however, our media seem to have gotten a case of collective amnesia; readers and viewers are left mystified as to why Italy has become the epicenter of this pandemic.
After the coronavirus scare sent Italy into a nationwide lockdown earlier this month, several U.S. news organizations (including NPR, Time magazine, and ABC News) decided to address the question, “Why Italy?” Most of their answers had to do with demographics and aging, with Italy having a much larger proportion of senior citizens than other countries. None of them, however, made mention of the tens of thousands of Chinese laborers working in clothing plants in northern Italy, where their COVID-19 outbreak was first detected in February. Considering how the role of Chinese workers in the “Made in Italy” fashion boom had been so widely reported in the past decade, could it be that journalists suddenly forgot this fact? Or should we suspect that these reporters are deliberately overlooking the connection between Italy’s Chinese labor force and this deadly pandemic?
The size, location, and timing of Italy’s coronavirus outbreak all suggest that the disease was imported to the country directly from China. The first two cases reported in Italy were Chinese tourists who arrived in Rome in late January. Three weeks later, however, a 38-year-old man in the northern province of Lombardy showed up at a hospital with respiratory problems but had to wait 36 hours before he was tested for coronavirus, during which time “he had contact with hospital staff and visiting friends and family.” That Feb. 19 incident raises obvious question: How did a man in Lombardy get this virus? Why northern Italy and not somewhere else? Why late February? Well, it is customary for Chinese to travel home for Lunar New Year celebrations, which fell on Jan. 24 this year, and the incubation period for coronavirus is about two weeks. How many of the Chinese workers in northern Italy traveled to China in late January and returned to Italy — without symptoms but already infected with COVID-19 — in early February?
Researchers have reported that about 80 percent of those infected with the Wuhan virus have only mild symptoms, and some have no symptoms at all. Yet these “stealth” cases may be a major factor in transmission of the disease. None of the reports from Italy that I’ve seen indicate how many coronavirus patients there are Chinese. But, by early March, the Italian outbreak was so widespread that the direction of transmission was already going in the other direction, as Chinese people returning from Italy brought the disease back to China with them.
Many American cases of COVID-19 can be traced to the Italian outbreak, including the first case reported in New Hampshire, a person who had recently traveled to Italy, and the first case reported in Missouri, a college student who had been studying in Italy. Our media, however, seem more interested in accusing President Trump of racism than in explaining the factors that made Italy such a breeding ground for a disease that originated in China. Importing workers to manufacture “Made in Italy” fashion made luxury items cheaper. Now the full price is being paid, and it’s turning out to be painfully expensive.
This is how alt-right media preys on the fearful.
Yes, Italy has 300,000 immigrant workers. And that means squat. It turns out that 300,0000 doesn’t even rank in the top 20 globally for Chinese immigrants The US, UK and France have significantly more!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese
I will also point out that you cannot find a credible source to support that “many are from Wuhan”.
This whole “Italy deserves this because they let in the yellow people” narrative all tracks back to a Brexit politician hoping to capitalize on the crisis. It’s bogus. Don’t fall for it.
Italy’s outbreak likely came via Germany. So trade agreements between Italy and China or any other country are irrelevant.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20Y35B
The only fact in here of relevance is that the first documented cases were tourists. Zero evidence that immigrant workers are involved. Zero. But they sure did get you suckers to bite with their open-ended questions!
I did. Again, there is no credible source for the statement that many workers are from Wuhan. And no evidence that these alleged Wuhan workers brought the virus back from Chinese New Year celebrations. None.
The only reason we are having this conversation is because you all have bought into an alt-right tweet designed to reinforce anti-immigrant trade policies.
The only reason we are having this conversation is because you all have bought into an alt-right tweet designed to reinforce anti-immigrant trade policies.
Alt-right media?? I realize such a thing exists, but it's really a small fraction of the overall media. It's kind of like calling a pancake with chocolate chips in it a Hershey Bar.
I believe your details are correct. But there is no argument that the virus started in the wet markets of China just as many other viruses have. In fact, it was so predictable, many fictional movies and books have been written about pandemics originating in the wet markets of China.
This could actually be the most significant news of all. If the death numbers and number of new cases has peaked in Italy of all places, we could be out of this crisis sooner rather than later. The numbers in the UK, Germany, Spain, and France are also encouraging, indicating that the peak may be near in Europe. Let's hope.
Germany rocking a really low death rate. Could be younger average patient age infected , or the wide spread testing could be lowering the percentage.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8141929/Why-Germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-low.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8141929/Why-Germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-low.html
No doubt. And the world should put pressure on China to adopt modern hygiene practices or face repercussions - same way that US and EU are pressuring them, rightfully, over IP theft.
Number of deaths in Italy dropped today by 184.
Reports are thats its primarily due to social distancing.
Well, sure.
President Trump has a real balancing act in front of him. There aren’t any easy ways out of this. It’s looking more and more that we’ll find ourselves in a position where our only option will be to make the least damaging of a set of terrible choices. We’ll see where we are in a week.
I saw a post somewhere, don’t have the link, where a scientist whose models have been accurate for every country says 3/28.
US numbers are going to be hard to gauge anymore.
I'm not saying this is anyone's fault, but all the various states have different testing standards and those standards aren't staying constant over time either.
Also, many of these tests take multiple days to get a result. So today's positive may be from a test actually conducted .... today .... or Sunday .... or Saturday ... or Friday ... or Thursday ... who knows.
Actually it's the Governors that started the shut down and they'll each determine when its time for them to end their shut downs.Trump said he didn't want a shut down from the beginning.
This is either going to be around forever or over time wipe all of us out..
A lot thought Italy was doing better and now this.
A lot thought Italy was doing better and now this.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ifting-total-death-toll-to-6820-idUSKBN21B2T4
793 Saturday, 650 Sunday, 602 Monday....everyone supposing that they have hit the peak, then 743 today. Yikes.
793 Saturday, 650 Sunday, 602 Monday....everyone supposing that they have hit the peak, then 743 today. Yikes.
COLUMBIA, S.C. – 1-seed Virginia used a 23-3 run in the second half on its way to a 71-56 win over 16-seed Gardner-Webb on Friday afternoon at Colonial Life Arena.
Virginia outscored Gardner-Webb 41-20 in the second half, behind redshirt sophomore De'Andre Hunter's (Philadelphia, Pa.) 17 points. Hunter finished with a game-high 23 points. Redshirt junior Mamadi Diakite (Conakry, Guinea, Africa) scored 17 points and a team-high nine rebounds. Junior Ty Jerome (New Rochelle, N.Y) added 13 points.
Virginia shot 52 percent from the field, while Gardner-Webb shot 44 percent. UVA outrebounded Gardner-Webb, 35-21, had a 32-24 edge in the paint and the UVA bench scored 24 points to nine for the Bulldogs.
HOW IT HAPPENED
Virginia trailed by 14 with 6:32 to go in the first half but closed the gap with a 14-6 run to end the half down 36-30. The Cavaliers had their 23-3 run over an eight-minute span to begin the second half and take a 55-41 lead with 10:17 to play. UVA led by as many as 21 in the win.
