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Italy still on figurative fire (USA in trouble)

Roughly 90% are testing negative in Pa and 85% US wide(NY’s ~ 27% positive rate skewing the curve). California is well under 5% with ~65,000 test results logged so far. By sunrise in excess of 500,000 tests will have been processed in the United States 150,000 more than the next closest country. China has tested 320,000 total Korea about 345,000 Spain 355,000 Italy 342,000. Pennsylvania testing stats are below and updated daily. The blood serum tests for both C and G antigens are complete and have been, but awaiting clearance.

https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Cases.aspx
While it’s good to see the rapid rise in absolute testing numbers, it’s also important to note that:

- South Korea and the US recorded their first cases on the same day
- As of yesterday, 1 in 142 South Koreans has been tested with most of those tests being administered weeks ago
- As of yesterday, 1 in every 786 Americans have been tested for the Coronavirus with most of that testing happening in the past 4 days

This is what you might call “horse out of the barn” in public health terms.
 
While it’s good to see the rapid rise in absolute testing numbers, it’s also important to note that:

- South Korea and the US recorded their first cases on the same day
- As of yesterday, 1 in 142 South Koreans has been tested with most of those tests being administered weeks ago
- As of yesterday, 1 in every 786 Americans have been tested for the Coronavirus with most of that testing happening in the past 4 days

This is what you might call “horse out of the barn” in public health terms.
So you'd feel much more comfortable living in South Korea right now?
 
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I don't buy that, do you have a source.

Um, the source is the number off tests administered and the number of positives from those tests. The math shows that the odds of you, even while symptomatic, in testing positive is quite low.
 
It is boggling that only 10% or less of those tested have it, yet they have convinced someone that they have symptoms or cause to be tested. What then do these other people have? If covid-19 is so easily transmitted then there has to be many more people that have it than we think.

How many have it - mild or moderate - and don't realize it or do think this is not so bad and just forego the test and self isolate? The test in most cases is a foregone conclusion for people who show strong symptoms, even if only 10% hit positive.

No one knows when the virus is at the height of its transmission potential. There is strong evidence that people with mild to no symptoms are transmitters too, so unless you are testing everyone all the time you have no idea who has what. Minimizing contact with others is the only pragmatic way to be sure.
 
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South Korea is the size of the State of Indiana. Not really a fair comparison.
And the US has 6x the number of citizens - not much sense in spiking the football over absolute test numbers when we’re much bigger.

The reason that South Korea has flatted their curve (they’ve been linear for a week with about ~100 new cases per day) is because they did more tests per capita, earlier. They were largely able to get in front of community spread. And, again, they recorded their first positive test on the same day we did.
 
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South Korea is the size of the State of Indiana. Not really a fair comparison.
You could compare Seoul to NYC as they are about the same population wise...Seoul having a few more folks. It appears they had a much better reaction to this than the US did. One month ago the leader of the free world said we were at 15 cases and those would be down to zero...that was one month ago. If anything, hopefully when we get passed this we take the lessons learned from all over and move forward. There are things we can learn from the countries that tanked and the ones that seemed to handle it better.
 
Um, the source is the number off tests administered and the number of positives from those tests. The math shows that the odds of you, even while symptomatic, in testing positive is quite low.

Thanks for nothing, pretty useless response....
Don't bother, someone else provided one link for PA testing numbers. Still a lot of numbers being thrown around, I'm always skeptical without sources.
 
There are dozens of sources out there. States all publish their numbers (with varying degrees of accuracy). There are a bunch of sites that aggregate all the state sites. It's not like this is secret data.
 
And the huge majority of people who had symptoms and were tested ended up testing negative.
And lots of people with terrible vulnerability, and no symptoms as yet, are likely infected and by the time they get a test, they will be goners.
 
Roughly 90% are testing negative in Pa and 85% US wide(NY’s ~ 27% positive rate skewing the curve). California is well under 5% with ~65,000 test results logged so far. By sunrise in excess of 500,000 tests will have been processed in the United States 150,000 more than the next closest country. China has tested 320,000 total Korea about 345,000 Spain 355,000 Italy 342,000. Pennsylvania testing stats are below and updated daily. The blood serum tests for both C and G antigens are complete and have been, but awaiting clearance.

https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Cases.aspx
SKEWING the curve in NY, eh? Yeah, they are testing more than anyone!!!

So the state with the best data is skewing the curve, and the other blindfolded MFs are the real story. If you already see how stupid that is and are being sarcastic, my apologies.
 
WV has tested 804 people. Iowa, twice the population, >3 times the # of tests. I personally KNOW people, with symptoms, who could not get a test.
Most people who are “infected” will not be tested because they do not have symptoms or the doc is indicating that there is no reason to be tested, just rest up, isolate, and call back if symptoms get worse. And the test kits are not in great supply.
 
Most people who have the flu are asymptomatic or mild symptoms, and they just stay at home and rest without getting tested
 
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How is a test going to help that?
It will identify the illness, they will quarantine, and the disease can be managed BEFORE it is killing them. Slows the spread and probably improves your chance of living.
 
And lots of people with terrible vulnerability, and no symptoms as yet, are likely infected and by the time they get a test, they will be goners.
So we take "lots" of people with vulnerability but no symptoms, have them travel to a location where their likelihood to encounter the virus is elevated, have them tested only to find out that virtually all of them are fine(we know this since the positive rate for people who are symptomatic is only 10%). Brilliant.
 
So we take "lots" of people with vulnerability but no symptoms, have them travel to a location where their likelihood to encounter the virus is elevated, have them tested only to find out that virtually all of them are fine(we know this since the positive rate for people who are symptomatic is only 10%). Brilliant.
S Korea has tested 6,000 of every million people. WE have tested 1,000. Both countries found out about this the same day. Let's see who comes out better.....

Edit: WV has tested 500 of every million people.
 
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USA deaths from coronovirus have now exceeded 1,000 (1,054 on the tracker I've used)

One comparison -- USA deaths attributed to flu season 2017-18 -- 61,000
 
USA deaths from coronovirus have now exceeded 1,000 (1,054 on the tracker I've used)

One comparison -- USA deaths attributed to flu season 2017-18 -- 61,000
Huh. So this is over and done with, at 61-1. Yeah, much ado about nothing. Have you heard of "herd immunity?" We have ZERO.
 
It will identify the illness, they will quarantine, and the disease can be managed BEFORE it is killing them. Slows the spread and probably improves your chance of living.
How can you manage the virus?

Everyone with a brain is in self quarantine right now. If you are vulnerable and not self quarantined, you’re really an idiot. There is a finite amount of bandwidth on testing results. Every test processed for an asymptomatic slows down the results of a test for somebody that actually needs it
 
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How can you manage the virus?

Everyone with a brain is in self quarantine right now. If you are vulnerable and not self quarantined, you’re really an idiot. There is a finite amount of bandwidth on testing results. Every test processed for an asymptomatic slows down the results of a test for somebody that actually needs it
Finite for us but not the South Koreans? Why? LOTS of people are hospital workers, corrections officers, cops, etc. All idiots?
 
Finite for us but not the South Koreans? Why? LOTS of people are hospital workers, corrections officers, cops, etc. All idiots?
Because we have 330M people here while S Korea has 50M.

Ok, everyone with a brain who is not a first responder or health care worker is in self quarantine now. Happy?
 
Because we have 330M people here while S Korea has 50M.

Ok, everyone with a brain who is not a first responder or health care worker is in self quarantine now. Happy?
We have test 1000 people per million. They have tested> 6000 people per million. Both governments had the same amount of notice.

There are LOTS of folks who cannot shelter in place, who are performing essential tasks.
 
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We have test 1000 people per million. they have tested> 6000 people per million. Both governments had the same amount of notice.
Cool- did they run all those tests at once? Or were they spread out over time?

You never answered my question about how you manage the virus once you know you have it but are asymptomatic
 
And lots of people with terrible vulnerability, and no symptoms as yet, are likely infected and by the time they get a test, they will be goners.[/QUOTE


No one without symptoms or cause will get a test. There are not 300MM tests available. Do you just test the vulnerable and lock them away from any potential carrier? You don't know an asymptomatic person is a carrier or not - do you test everyone? Do the vulnerable test daily? What do they do if they are positive?
 
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Cool- did they run all those tests at once? Or were they spread out over time?

You never answered my question about how you manage the virus once you know you have it but are asymptomatic
They had EXACTLY the same amount of time as us. They found out when we did. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success

Read about it.

The virus has no cure at this time. Doctors I know personally are managing the symptoms to protect the patient as best they can, but the MAIN thing is they are keeping them quarantined.
 
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They had EXACTLY the same amount of time as us. They found out when we did. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success

Read about it.

The virus has no cure at this time. Doctors I know personally are managing the symptoms to protect the patient as best they can, but the MAIN thing is they are keeping them quarantined.
So they didn’t run all the tests at once. So not sure why you brought up South Korea when I mentioned bandwidth

I’d love to hear how these doctors would manage the symptoms of all these asymptomatic patients you’d like to identify. That’s some real next level stuff
 
So they didn’t run all the tests at once. So not sure why you brought up South Korea when I mentioned bandwidth

I’d love to hear how these doctors would manage the symptoms of all these asymptomatic patients you’d like to identify. That’s some real next level stuff
Oh, so you are admitting that the bungled test rollout is costing human lives RIGHT NOW? GOOD. Then of course you will admit that more testing now would help? Good. Let's do it.
 
Demlion,

I was just reporting numbers no political lean either way. New York’s infection rate of people tested is much higher than California’s each with a good statistical number of tests run. New York’s latest percentage is north of 30% of those tested while Cali is at 3.8%. New York has run about double the tests 120k vs 66k.

Your NBC article about South Korea had and interesting fact that they are limiting testing of the public by money. You need a Dr referral to get the test for free, all others can get the test but without the Dr referral it’s $142 for the test.

Oh, so you are admitting that the bungled test rollout is costing human lives RIGHT NOW? GOOD. Then of course you will admit that more testing now would help? Good. Let's do it.
 
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1,100 dead - 69,500 confirmed cases - how many in the ICU now? How many recovered?

Estimates....How many have had it and don't know they did, or had a case that was managed but not confirmed by test?
 
It - obviously :) - has nothing to do with "treatment"...... or anything else but "How do we blame the Orange Guy?"

Hell..... most of those folks probably get a little woodie every time the death toll climbs - hoping to see another half-point drop for the Orange Man at the polls (Seriously)
We have to make reprobates like you accept that your choices cost this country a lot, so as to guide people to more sensible choices. Even if real A-holes like yourself wont change. Not too worried about you though. You could not even get 250 signatures. Where you were dictates where you will be. Half of you guys are saying testing does not matter anymore, the other half are saying it never did. Sheesh.
 
So of the ~ 1100 COVID-19 deaths in America thus far, which ones are directly attributable to the "bungled test rollout?"

Do you have even a single example?
Plenty according to the estimates from actual experts, but the bulk are yet to come.
 
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