It's Time For Luke.
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Luke had his shot in the Big Ten - he went 6-7. Urban Meyer went 12-0 the very next season with many of the same players. Maybe he's improved since then, but his 11-3 team lost to Ohio State 42-0 last year. What makes you think he'd do any better than Franklin? I'm giving Franklin a pass this year, but if we are this bad next year it's going to be hard to defend him. He doesn't have 2 titles and several unbeaten seasons in the bank.
I’ve been a huge Franklin supporter but I don’t know how you give a coach a pass for what in all likelihood is going to be an winless season with glaring issues in all phases of the game and in all probability off the field and in the locker room. It would be one thing to go 6-6 but to not win a game is a totally different matter.
Umm. Have you guys seen MSU, UM and Rutgers play? Unless you’ve completely quit you guys will win 1 or 2 of those
OSU was in disarray after Tressel got run out, and Fickell had the interim tag and didn’t get to choose his own staff. He’s also much more seasoned as a head coach now and he has Cincinnati rolling about the way Brian Kelly did. He would be a great hire IMO.
Why, what has he done to make you think he knows what he is doing.
He has had some success the last few seasons. He also is an above average recruiter. Financial considerations aside, I don’t want to be one of those programs that moves on from a guy that averages 8-10 wins a year only to look back in a few years and wish you had a guy that averages 8-10 wins a year.
Have you seen us play? If we win one of those 3 we will be lucky unless something changes dramatically.
Umm. Have you seen any of our games? We’re going 0’fer my friend.
I don’t either. But this is not simply a down year it is a total collapse in multiple facets of the program.
Agreed. Can Franklin get the program back on the rails? Nobody can know for certain, but I’m willing to let him try.
I was a stalwart Franklin guy until the Md loss. Now I pray for him to resign. I do understand that he likely won't but I do believe that after next season, assuming we are last or 2nd to last in the East, he will be gone. I know the buy out is roughly $35M but every year we can't sell out Beaver stadium and fail to make a good profit on merchandise is a hit we can't take.
Barring a miracle in 2021, he's gone. Maybe he's really going to hang it up after this season, but I think the buyout is on the table.
Barring a miracle in 2021, he's gone. Maybe he's really going to hang it up after this season, but I think the buyout is on the table.
Yes, see Nebraska after firing Bo Pellini. I am willing to write off this year due to all the surrounding circumstances. We've had 4 OC's in 6 years and a new D line coach. The new OC didn't get to work much with the team in practice before the season started. We lost leaders on offense and defense. However, Franklin has had a nice run since 2016.
My only thing is that he has maneuvered his name twice in the rumor mills and gotten substantial compensation increases. That's fine, but that ratchets up expectations.
I think he also needs to rethink his philosophy on hiring coaches who want to be head coaches. That's good to an extent, but kids want stability and to know who will be coaching them the next 4 years.
My only thing is that he has maneuvered his name twice in the rumor mills and gotten substantial compensation increases. That's fine, but that ratchets up expectations.
I think he also needs to rethink his philosophy on hiring coaches who want to be head coaches. That's good to an extent, but kids want stability and to know who will be coaching them the next 4 years.
What has concerned me about JF is the instability of the coaching staff. It really disrupts player development and it also hurts recruiting. After a season like this, it would not be surprising to see more assistant coaching changes. None of this is going to make 2021 easier.
I will go on record now saying I can’t see us having a winning season in 2021. The problems on this squad are so numerous and pervasive that it is going to take nothing short of a rebuilding effort and a cultural change to fix them. It may not be realistic to expect the coach who presided over this sort of collapse to be able to fix it in one season. [ Fixing it would mean winning 8 or more games next year ]. There aren’t too many examples in sports of coaches who were able to turn things like this around even if they were given the chance.
I do think Franklin is gone if we have another season similar to this one next year.
I will go on record now saying I can’t see us having a winning season in 2021. The problems on this squad are so numerous and pervasive that it is going to take nothing short of a rebuilding effort and a cultural change to fix them. It may not be realistic to expect the coach who presided over this sort of collapse to be able to fix it in one season. [ Fixing it would mean winning 8 or more games next year ]. There aren’t too many examples in sports of coaches who were able to turn things like this around even if they were given the chance.
I do think Franklin is gone if we have another season similar to this one next year.
He’ll get at least one more year because of COVID and because too many powerful people would have egg on their faces if they fired him less than a year after giving him a contract extension.
He just signed an extension and we lost about $100 million this year. Don't see anyone ponying up a buyout right now.
I agree they won’t fire him but my gut says 50 50 he leaves to spend a year or 2 with his family away from coaching.
If we lost $100M this year and next year we will lose at least $40M due to no merch sales and no sellouts, the economics of keeping a losing coach won't support keeping him around.
Trust me, I was the most pro-Franklin guy you ever met but this is too much.
I looked back and Brian Kelly lost to tOSU 37-7 the one time he coached against them, so maybe Fickell shouldn't be penalized much for that. I'll have to watch one of his games.
Turnover on coaching staffs are part of the game. Joe Paterno and those loyal assistants don't work here any more. (we kinda got spoiled).
Look at all the turnover at Ohio State.
What you need are position coaches who are good teachers. I don't think that has been one of Franklins stronger points.
3 or 4 years ago Brian Kelly made the decision to let go of some loyal assistants. The new coaches he bought in have worked out.
Well, I think it is no mystery that arguably our worst position group ( WR) has seen four different coaches in the last four years. We have one good WR in Dotson. Everybody else is average or below average.
Limegrover was replaced because he had allegedly reached his ceiling. Things are a mess now on the OL.
I get it that turnover happens, but when the players are around longer than their position coaches you have a lot of instability.
Boy am I glad we got rid of Rahne and Limegrover. It made for happy holidays here. Imagine how great we'll be next year if we can Franklin.
Nah, danvillenit is the most pro-Franklin guy around.
Yep and we had some recruits that bolted for greener pastures due to the instability. While he may not have played up to his 5* rating it would be nice right now to have Shorter out on the field for the good guys.
Rahne was a train wreck. It’s partially at least his fault that the QB situation is what it is right now. The Limegrover situation was a little weird. Actually thought he was an ok coach
38 Million dollars is how he gets a pass this year, not ponying up that kind of scratch to buy him out. Honestly don't know that they should, with what he's done he should be given a pass, but next season can't look like this one, or the seat actually does get warm.
Trautwein built great Olines at BC...he deserves time here to replicate that...
I don't understand where that loss is coming from. The losses I see were NCAA Basketball Tournament revenue and home game revenue. If they make $100M off of home games and basketball, there's no excuse for not having facilities up to standard. Can someone give me a breakdown of where that number comes from? It's always seemed a little suspect since they announced return to play.
Legit question, how is his buyout $38m? I’m not saying you’re wrong and am just asking. I’ve seen numbers in the ~$27m range. Still big numbers either way.
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