Which position(s) could Franklin step into if needed to improve the unit? I honestly don't know. And that makes me wonder if he's capable of recognizing and fixing the lack of attention to detail that continuously occurs.
James Franklin has again been exposed and it's getting boring.
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Which position(s) could Franklin step into if needed to improve the unit? I honestly don't know. And that makes me wonder if he's capable of recognizing and fixing the lack of attention to detail that continuously occurs.
Kirby Smart wasn’t paying attention to his sideline and it cost them a penalty. Stuff happens. Franklin is not a perfect coach but who is? You cannot deny the arc of the program continues upward. I guess it’s not good enough for some people but from where I sit it’s a success.
Yeah that’s what Minnesota said when Penn State had a 4th down on their own 34. And our kicker didn’t even have coin flip accuracy.
You are high, comparing a punt to a game winning fg with 7 seconds left lololol
Sure the world has moved on.
But fans who want to win would have loved that era.
Happy with being 2nd tier and losing every single game if consequence for over a decade?
This is the to remember….enjoy it!
Marissa- or troll- let me give benefit of doubt. You are living in a delusional world where we were always champions under Joepa!! While it is true that Penn State alumni are accomplished and have a lot of leaders all over, we have not been world beaters in college football the way the Ohio State empire has been prior to Franklin. This is coming from someone that loved Joe, made 90 percent of home games past 40 years and is Penn State proud every day. Posting this from our last day at Orange Bowl.
From 2000-2011 (Joepas last 12 years), Penn State was 93-56, 62% win rate. Franklin’s first 11 years, he is 101-41 despite inheriting a depleted squad without Olinemen (as good as OBrien was in 2012-2013, he hated recruiting and didn’t recruit O linemen). He got team to high level 2016-2017 due to amazing recruitment and although a two year Covid slump happened, he is coming off 11,11,13 win seasons and has recruited Pa so much better than Joepa did at the end.
Against UM Joepa was 3-6, Franklin 3-7 during this span. Joepa teams sometimes were crushed by UM, ironically Franklin’s worst loss to UM was 2016 when we ran out of scholarship linebackers due to depleted roster and tearful Trace McSorley apologized to lettermen and alumni and promised we will not lose again and backed it up by winning the Big 10! Best coaching of Franklin’s career- a certain Saquon Barkley sure helped the turnaround (Franklin flipped him from Rutgers!). Franklin has had much more competitive games with UM and OSU than Joepa in this time.
It is true that Franklin’s teams need the mental edge to stop losing close games, esp to Ohio State. A lot of it is instilling the same killer mentality our defense has into our offense, esp at QB position. We have been punching up and will break thru soon and it will get easier. Franklin is 1-10 vs OSU and Joepa was 4-7 against OSU when they weren’t quite the empire they are now (OSU prob no 1 program past 11 yrs, they had some
Down years during early 2000s).
So let’s stop this revisionist history Marisa— Franklin is a very good coach about to become elite. The reality is that we had a very good team with mostly 3 star to low 4 star wide receivers and DBs and they weee exposed when playing Oregon and OSU. Receivers were exposed playing against elite ND DBs. Penn State was the better team with 206-139 rushing yards and 2-1 turnover margin but two DBs falling down in crunch time and no receivers getting open doomed a very good team and a QB having worst game of life not due to ability but lack of confidence.
Because of Franklin’s recruiting, we will reload — Max Greenville at DE, Andrew Olesh (6’5’” TE who runs 4.6 40 compared to Tyler Warren 4.75 and will be a coverage nightmare as he will be like a Joe Jurevicius), Anthony Specca and TaMere Robinson at LB, Cooper Cousins and Jven Williams at OL, Tyseer Denmark and Kyrie Hudson at WR, Quinton Martin and Can Wallace at RB— added to current team— Franklin will excel.
From 2000-2011 (Joepas last 12 years), Penn State was 93-56, 62% win rate. Franklin’s first 11 years, he is 101-41 despite inheriting a depleted squad without Olinemen (as good as OBrien was in 2012-2013, he hated recruiting and didn’t recruit O linemen). He got team to high level 2016-2017 due to amazing recruitment and although a two year Covid slump happened, he is coming off 11,11,13 win seasons and has recruited Pa so much better than Joepa did at the end.
Against UM Joepa was 3-6, Franklin 3-7 during this span. Joepa teams sometimes were crushed by UM, ironically Franklin’s worst loss to UM was 2016 when we ran out of scholarship linebackers due to depleted roster and tearful Trace McSorley apologized to lettermen and alumni and promised we will not lose again and backed it up by winning the Big 10! Best coaching of Franklin’s career- a certain Saquon Barkley sure helped the turnaround (Franklin flipped him from Rutgers!). Franklin has had much more competitive games with UM and OSU than Joepa in this time.
It is true that Franklin’s teams need the mental edge to stop losing close games, esp to Ohio State. A lot of it is instilling the same killer mentality our defense has into our offense, esp at QB position. We have been punching up and will break thru soon and it will get easier. Franklin is 1-10 vs OSU and Joepa was 4-7 against OSU when they weren’t quite the empire they are now (OSU prob no 1 program past 11 yrs, they had some
Down years during early 2000s).
So let’s stop this revisionist history Marisa— Franklin is a very good coach about to become elite. The reality is that we had a very good team with mostly 3 star to low 4 star wide receivers and DBs and they weee exposed when playing Oregon and OSU. Receivers were exposed playing against elite ND DBs. Penn State was the better team with 206-139 rushing yards and 2-1 turnover margin but two DBs falling down in crunch time and no receivers getting open doomed a very good team and a QB having worst game of life not due to ability but lack of confidence.
Because of Franklin’s recruiting, we will reload — Max Greenville at DE, Andrew Olesh (6’5’” TE who runs 4.6 40 compared to Tyler Warren 4.75 and will be a coverage nightmare as he will be like a Joe Jurevicius), Anthony Specca and TaMere Robinson at LB, Cooper Cousins and Jven Williams at OL, Tyseer Denmark and Kyrie Hudson at WR, Quinton Martin and Can Wallace at RB— added to current team— Franklin will excel.
This team is sloppy and undisciplined, and it has been since he got here. It is poor at clock management. It takes unnecessary and highly questionable risks. It's tackling technique is too often questionable and leads to roughing penalties. I've said my peace on offensive philosophy. I would argue the offensive line was the best unit on the team, and yet they still seemed underutilized.
Where are they better off from 8 years ago? Still losing every game of consequence…
Well not getting their a$$ handed to them by Maryland.
Whooppee
Do you realize how many playoffs Paterno would have made with this format? His teams were also built for the postseason. Stop bringing him up, it's not the point you think you're making. Franklin should be in his prime right now.
Dream on…about to become elite?
Frankin will have to win a lot of big games to become elite. Right now, he is a laughingstock. Who fears playing Franklin- led teams? No one. Not even Bowling Green.
Talk about revisionist history. Cherry- picking the end of Joe’s career. Look at the complete body of work.
This "analysis" seems more boring that this season's PSU football.
Franklin didn't fall down and leave a ND receiver trot into the end zone untouched with PSU up a touchdown.
Franklin didn't throw the ball right to a ND DB to make a loss out of the jaws of victory.
And I'm not criticizing those players as players make mistakes and hopefully learn from them.
But the crying about Franklin when this year's team was just one less blatant mistake by his players from being in the championship game seems pretty stupid to me......
Joe was old starting in the late 90s. He led an elite program from the late 60's through the mid 90's. Basically 30 years. Some down years but overall a sterling record. He also rebounded with 2 B10 titles in '05 and '08. Who was a better coach than Joe in the late 60's, 70's and 80's? Barry Switzer, Tom Osborne. Lou Holtz? I'll give you Bryant for the 70's but starting in the 80's Joe ascended to #1.
I always like to do this:
Franklin is 52.
Joe was 52 during the '78 season. They both had been head coach of PSU for a little over decade when looking at 1978 for Joe and 2024 for Franklin. Who had more success over their first 11 years or so? Admittedly Joe had a horrible loss in that '79 Sugar Bowl. Out coached by the Bear. No doubt. But what he did over the next 10 years was second to none. Can Franklin do that in the next decade?
Maybe yes, maybe no but it was easier for Joe back then. Pennsylvania proportionally had more population. In fact in 1968, his first undefeated season, Pa. 29 electoral college votes. I believe we are just behind New York good and California.
It was much more fertile recruiting ground back then than now. Franklin is doing just fine I doubt almost anyone could do better.
