Which position(s) could Franklin step into if needed to improve the unit? I honestly don't know. And that makes me wonder if he's capable of recognizing and fixing the lack of attention to detail that continuously occurs.
James Franklin has again been exposed and it's getting boring.
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Which position(s) could Franklin step into if needed to improve the unit? I honestly don't know. And that makes me wonder if he's capable of recognizing and fixing the lack of attention to detail that continuously occurs.
Kirby Smart wasn’t paying attention to his sideline and it cost them a penalty. Stuff happens. Franklin is not a perfect coach but who is? You cannot deny the arc of the program continues upward. I guess it’s not good enough for some people but from where I sit it’s a success.
Yeah that’s what Minnesota said when Penn State had a 4th down on their own 34. And our kicker didn’t even have coin flip accuracy.
You are high, comparing a punt to a game winning fg with 7 seconds left lololol
Sure the world has moved on.
But fans who want to win would have loved that era.
Happy with being 2nd tier and losing every single game if consequence for over a decade?
This is the to remember….enjoy it!
Marissa- or troll- let me give benefit of doubt. You are living in a delusional world where we were always champions under Joepa!! While it is true that Penn State alumni are accomplished and have a lot of leaders all over, we have not been world beaters in college football the way the Ohio State empire has been prior to Franklin. This is coming from someone that loved Joe, made 90 percent of home games past 40 years and is Penn State proud every day. Posting this from our last day at Orange Bowl.
From 2000-2011 (Joepas last 12 years), Penn State was 93-56, 62% win rate. Franklin’s first 11 years, he is 101-41 despite inheriting a depleted squad without Olinemen (as good as OBrien was in 2012-2013, he hated recruiting and didn’t recruit O linemen). He got team to high level 2016-2017 due to amazing recruitment and although a two year Covid slump happened, he is coming off 11,11,13 win seasons and has recruited Pa so much better than Joepa did at the end.
Against UM Joepa was 3-6, Franklin 3-7 during this span. Joepa teams sometimes were crushed by UM, ironically Franklin’s worst loss to UM was 2016 when we ran out of scholarship linebackers due to depleted roster and tearful Trace McSorley apologized to lettermen and alumni and promised we will not lose again and backed it up by winning the Big 10! Best coaching of Franklin’s career- a certain Saquon Barkley sure helped the turnaround (Franklin flipped him from Rutgers!). Franklin has had much more competitive games with UM and OSU than Joepa in this time.
It is true that Franklin’s teams need the mental edge to stop losing close games, esp to Ohio State. A lot of it is instilling the same killer mentality our defense has into our offense, esp at QB position. We have been punching up and will break thru soon and it will get easier. Franklin is 1-10 vs OSU and Joepa was 4-7 against OSU when they weren’t quite the empire they are now (OSU prob no 1 program past 11 yrs, they had some
Down years during early 2000s).
So let’s stop this revisionist history Marisa— Franklin is a very good coach about to become elite. The reality is that we had a very good team with mostly 3 star to low 4 star wide receivers and DBs and they weee exposed when playing Oregon and OSU. Receivers were exposed playing against elite ND DBs. Penn State was the better team with 206-139 rushing yards and 2-1 turnover margin but two DBs falling down in crunch time and no receivers getting open doomed a very good team and a QB having worst game of life not due to ability but lack of confidence.
Because of Franklin’s recruiting, we will reload — Max Greenville at DE, Andrew Olesh (6’5’” TE who runs 4.6 40 compared to Tyler Warren 4.75 and will be a coverage nightmare as he will be like a Joe Jurevicius), Anthony Specca and TaMere Robinson at LB, Cooper Cousins and Jven Williams at OL, Tyseer Denmark and Kyrie Hudson at WR, Quinton Martin and Can Wallace at RB— added to current team— Franklin will excel.
From 2000-2011 (Joepas last 12 years), Penn State was 93-56, 62% win rate. Franklin’s first 11 years, he is 101-41 despite inheriting a depleted squad without Olinemen (as good as OBrien was in 2012-2013, he hated recruiting and didn’t recruit O linemen). He got team to high level 2016-2017 due to amazing recruitment and although a two year Covid slump happened, he is coming off 11,11,13 win seasons and has recruited Pa so much better than Joepa did at the end.
Against UM Joepa was 3-6, Franklin 3-7 during this span. Joepa teams sometimes were crushed by UM, ironically Franklin’s worst loss to UM was 2016 when we ran out of scholarship linebackers due to depleted roster and tearful Trace McSorley apologized to lettermen and alumni and promised we will not lose again and backed it up by winning the Big 10! Best coaching of Franklin’s career- a certain Saquon Barkley sure helped the turnaround (Franklin flipped him from Rutgers!). Franklin has had much more competitive games with UM and OSU than Joepa in this time.
It is true that Franklin’s teams need the mental edge to stop losing close games, esp to Ohio State. A lot of it is instilling the same killer mentality our defense has into our offense, esp at QB position. We have been punching up and will break thru soon and it will get easier. Franklin is 1-10 vs OSU and Joepa was 4-7 against OSU when they weren’t quite the empire they are now (OSU prob no 1 program past 11 yrs, they had some
Down years during early 2000s).
So let’s stop this revisionist history Marisa— Franklin is a very good coach about to become elite. The reality is that we had a very good team with mostly 3 star to low 4 star wide receivers and DBs and they weee exposed when playing Oregon and OSU. Receivers were exposed playing against elite ND DBs. Penn State was the better team with 206-139 rushing yards and 2-1 turnover margin but two DBs falling down in crunch time and no receivers getting open doomed a very good team and a QB having worst game of life not due to ability but lack of confidence.
Because of Franklin’s recruiting, we will reload — Max Greenville at DE, Andrew Olesh (6’5’” TE who runs 4.6 40 compared to Tyler Warren 4.75 and will be a coverage nightmare as he will be like a Joe Jurevicius), Anthony Specca and TaMere Robinson at LB, Cooper Cousins and Jven Williams at OL, Tyseer Denmark and Kyrie Hudson at WR, Quinton Martin and Can Wallace at RB— added to current team— Franklin will excel.
This team is sloppy and undisciplined, and it has been since he got here. It is poor at clock management. It takes unnecessary and highly questionable risks. It's tackling technique is too often questionable and leads to roughing penalties. I've said my peace on offensive philosophy. I would argue the offensive line was the best unit on the team, and yet they still seemed underutilized.
Where are they better off from 8 years ago? Still losing every game of consequence…
Well not getting their a$$ handed to them by Maryland.
Whooppee
Do you realize how many playoffs Paterno would have made with this format? His teams were also built for the postseason. Stop bringing him up, it's not the point you think you're making. Franklin should be in his prime right now.
Dream on…about to become elite?
Frankin will have to win a lot of big games to become elite. Right now, he is a laughingstock. Who fears playing Franklin- led teams? No one. Not even Bowling Green.
Talk about revisionist history. Cherry- picking the end of Joe’s career. Look at the complete body of work.
This "analysis" seems more boring that this season's PSU football.
Franklin didn't fall down and leave a ND receiver trot into the end zone untouched with PSU up a touchdown.
Franklin didn't throw the ball right to a ND DB to make a loss out of the jaws of victory.
And I'm not criticizing those players as players make mistakes and hopefully learn from them.
But the crying about Franklin when this year's team was just one less blatant mistake by his players from being in the championship game seems pretty stupid to me......
Joe was old starting in the late 90s. He led an elite program from the late 60's through the mid 90's. Basically 30 years. Some down years but overall a sterling record. He also rebounded with 2 B10 titles in '05 and '08. Who was a better coach than Joe in the late 60's, 70's and 80's? Barry Switzer, Tom Osborne. Lou Holtz? I'll give you Bryant for the 70's but starting in the 80's Joe ascended to #1.
I always like to do this:
Franklin is 52.
Joe was 52 during the '78 season. They both had been head coach of PSU for a little over decade when looking at 1978 for Joe and 2024 for Franklin. Who had more success over their first 11 years or so? Admittedly Joe had a horrible loss in that '79 Sugar Bowl. Out coached by the Bear. No doubt. But what he did over the next 10 years was second to none. Can Franklin do that in the next decade?
Maybe yes, maybe no but it was easier for Joe back then. Pennsylvania proportionally had more population. In fact in 1968, his first undefeated season, Pa. 29 electoral college votes. I believe we are just behind New York good and California.
It was much more fertile recruiting ground back then than now. Franklin is doing just fine I doubt almost anyone could do better.
I like messing you Franklin fanboys. You live in a fantasy world. Franklin made the final 4 by beating two cupcakes that should not have been there. This will be the end of tough games out of conference for any team. Just win and your in, strength of schedule means nothing. PS, Boise, SMU, and Clemson didn’t beat a legit strong team all year. Franklin did what Franklin does, he pads his record against top 50 level teams and loses to all team legit top 20.
Let me explain it to you. Notre Dame had superior special teams as demonstrated by their season performance. They also had a kicker who was 50-50 during the season. If Penn State would have sold out to block a field goal and Notre Dame was in position to exploit that they very well could have given that it would be unexpected. Penn State played the percentages and played it safe. It was not a coaching error. End of fake news story.
Ok, I will take your bait. Again with data. Let’s limit it to 21st century since this is 2025, and 1/4 done. If you want to live in 20th Century and specifically 1980s, Joepa was king!! I love the 80s, especially music but for college football let’s compare 12 yrs of Joepa (2000-2011) when he left it a mess to 11 yrs of Franklin. Can we agree you need to limit losses to 1-2 in season to make playoff.? Well Joe would have made 3 playoffs in 12 yrs and Franklin 6 in 11 yrs- prob 7 by next year.
If you want in live in 20th century, that’s cool— each year that group is dying off sadly and less relevant.
My only response to this abject fuc&ery is you should change your name to womanlion.
Some criticism doesn't bug me, but I remember a lot of down years with Joe Paterno. I remember when Joe couldn't win the big game, or Penn State was criticized somehow for having a crappy schedule. That changed in 1982 when they beat Georgia, if you look at it back then if they had instant replay we would've been a two lost team. Of course if we had playoff back then I'm thinking his 1981 and 1982 team could well have been national champs.
After watching three years off Allar I'm starting to speculate that he might not have to make up to be a quarterback at the highest level with stiff competition. Others can point out how our receivers aren't subpar, but I do recall back in the day less skilled receivers at Penn State getting open.
Drew Astorino can't be much better than these guys, can he? What about Parker Washington? I don't even know if he's in the pros now.
However I will say that he has throw some very good balls. That might be a Fowler criticism, instead of just saying Franklin sucks and can't win a big one. Potentially Franklin is doing the best with what he has at the moment. I also noticed that the coaching is one to national championships recently Has I believe three losses this year? Bama has 4.
Basically no one win every game, and I'm honestly very frustrated because a few more completions probably would've put us in a national championship game against an Ohio State team that I believe is vulnerable.
Franklin was one of the last four standing with obvious deficiencies in personnel..
I remember Todd Blackledge throwing a ball away, I believe vs Pitt, and getting it picked off because he didn’t throw it far enough. Young quarterbacks make mistakes. Fans remember mistakes far more than great throws under pressure. Drew Allar has made many more clutch plays, both runs and throws, than mistakes. I’m a Drew fan. We’re lucky to have him and I believe his very best days are ahead of him.
It's not bait, Franklin should be in his prime right now. Why limit it to 21st century? Even if you do Paterno had a recruiting class of 12(!) and still managed to do a lot of damage. Give him today's roster sizes and annual recruiting numbers and it's not close. Throw in a plethora of other advantages including his desire to pay players and fundraising prowess and you're just not doing Franklin any favors.
I don’t need to learn…I was there… also talk regularly to those who played in tne games.
Urban Meyer on James Franklin's decisions:
www.yardbarker.com
Urban Meyer doesn't hold back thoughts on James Franklin's coaching
So, what does Meyer think about Franklin's decision to go for it late in the fourth quarter? Not much.
www.yardbarker.com
You remember when Joe could not win the big game and cite 1982 as the breakthrough?
You really know nothing about Joe or Penn State football. And I mean next to nothing.
Check the web, buy a book, something…but you are embarrassing yourself.
What would he know? lol!Urban Meyer on James Franklin's decisions:
Urban Meyer doesn't hold back thoughts on James Franklin's coaching
So, what does Meyer think about Franklin's decision to go for it late in the fourth quarter? Not much.
What's so frustrating about Franklin is he does so many things well. He seems to have a pretty good grasp of big items. It's the smaller, easier things to fix that seem to elude him, and there never seems to be any progress on them.
Get up the $56,666,667 it will take to buy him out. You know, Joe was a really good coach, but over the years I saw some boneheaded game day coaching by him.
5 undefeated seasons
7 one loss seasons
10 two loss seasons
8 three loss seasons
6 four loss seasons
4 five loss seasons
3 six loss seasons
2 seven loss seasons
0 eight loss seasons
1 nine loss season
Penn State football's graduation success rate (GSR) is 89%, which is seven points higher than the Division I football average. The football team has surpassed the national average GSR for 15 years in a row. You’re wrong there, too
A fake field goal there would have been equally as stupid as JF going for it on 4th down deep in PSU territory against SMU.
