I respect your opinion and like how you've disclosed your political feelings. But, IMHO, liberals are more open minded individuals than conservatives.
Jay Paterno's Speech at the HOF ceremony last nite
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I feel bad that Jay lost his father. It's a lousy road to go down (albeit a road most of us will go down).
That said, Sue (or Jay's wife) needs to kick him in the butt. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Stop playing the victim card.
Jay is "interested" in coaching --- witness him reaching out to Urban Meyer and Mark Richt within the past year.
Now, whether he is doing the real leg-work to GET a job. I doubt it.
That's like saying Orlando has a cooler climate than Miami
I think that it is unfair for you to impose your standards on Jay, when you and I obviously haven't a clue on his financial standing. Maybe, he can afford to stay home. Maybe, writing and lecturing are enough for him. Maybe his life is fulfilling enough right now and doesn't have an interest in pursuing coaching again. Remember, coaching is very stressful.
Did you criticize George Bush in 2008 for not getting another job after he was no longer president?
Well he did run for Lieutenant Governor a year back...Or he attempted to run....Jay seems uncommitted to doing anything and everything except giving speeches or talking about his father. Nothing wrong with that. As long as one realizes he is talking about his father, who has done all the accomplishments... and not himself.
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I'd have no issues if Jay wanted to just write and lecture the rest of his life. Or cruise around a yacht in the Caribbean.
But here's the thing: Jay is claiming that he's pursuing coaching jobs. Colorado HC position, UMass HC position, reaching out to Meyer and Richt. I'm just rather cynical about his pursuit. An FBS HC position is well-beyond his resume, and the letters to Meyer and Richt reek of a PR stunt.
He could get a job as an OC or QB coach at an FCS school. He COULD. Getting such a job would also undermine the claims of his lawsuit.
I think deep down ,everyone knows his job hunt claims are BS. Using the scandal as an excuse for why teams wont hire him is strange.
Depending on what you feel Jay's staff position was at PSU (QB coach or OC) why is taking that same job at a FCS school where he should be instead of at a FBS school. In reality with his experience you would be looking for an OC job at a "BCS" school or possibly a HC job at a "non-BCS." Just look at the career track of other HC's. Very few drop back to a FCS school.
Whatever PSU's administration and the NCAA did....THEY DID.
If the Pittsburgh Steelers called tomorrow and offered Jay P and Bill K the Head Coach and offensive co-ordinator positions.....does that change ANYTHING that the PSU administration did in 2011?
No....obviously not.
The misdirection and obfuscation is insulting to anyone with an IQ over room temperature.
The lawsuit claims .....at its essence....that the PSU Administration, along with the NCAA, did shit it shouldn't have done. And that is the focus of the claim.
The NCAA and the Administration will try to argue that the 2 remained "employable" after their severance from PSU (as if that were a key parameter)......and force a lot of gyrations to be completed.....but none of that gets to the gist of what actions did the NCAA and the PSU administration take - and were they just and legal?
That is also the gist of the MM suit (although that one is solely - IIRC - against PSU).
Whether JP and/of BK subsequently got great job offers thrown at them, or whether they couldn't pound the pavement and come up with an assistant coaching gig at a Junior High, doesn't change one iota of what the NCAA/PSU Administration did.
Strongly agree with paragraph one. However, it is downright scary that you can't see the inherent contradiction in paragraph two. You just revealed yourself to be an embodiment of what you were decrying. There are plenty of liberals who reflexively hate conservatives as well...
Can't you see the true reason for his lawsuit against PSU? He is searching for the truth. In order to continue the lawsuit, he has to claim damages. It ain't that tough to figure out.
I don't recall many who ever said that Jay was a bad person. He's generally considered very smart, well spoken, and a great representative of the university. I don't want to start a debate here, but the criticism was based only on his coaching.
Anyone who has followed michnitt's posts realizes on of the Paterno's somehow insulted him, stole his girl, or beat him up. It's not a rational dislike in this case.
I still wonder if AL and Mich are one and the same. Anybody ever see them together?
The purpose of Wen's post was to share Jay's speech which demonstrates his ability to articulate both in speech writing and public speaking and to remind all of us of his father's greatness and contributions to the state of Pennsylvania. The post was not intended to initiate a popularity vote on Jay. Please don't hijack her post, start your own.
You can always COUNT on somebody to come through in the clutch.
In a fair world Jay would have been given a shot elsewhere to coach. Is he a good coach, who of us really know? Do we really know what is poser as an assistant really was?
Certainly IF the "scandal" had not happened he would have either stayed on a new staff or gotten an opportunity elsewhere. Maybe given a job in the athletic department.
Before ALL the crap the Paterno name and his experience would have given him that chance, Now his "name" is unfairly toxic.
He should have been given his chance to succeed or fail on his own merit!
Certainly IF the "scandal" had not happened he would have either stayed on a new staff or gotten an opportunity elsewhere. Maybe given a job in the athletic department.
Before ALL the crap the Paterno name and his experience would have given him that chance, Now his "name" is unfairly toxic.
He should have been given his chance to succeed or fail on his own merit!
And this post not being deleted is why message boards generates idiots.
Yes, and this is the same guy who claims that in the annals of Penn State football that Bill O'Brien will go down as the coach with the most positive influence on the program's success. To date the craziest assertion I've heard in regard to almost any subject.
Most people are of the opinion that those in "their" camp are more/better/etc. Most people should also remove the 'H' from 'IMHO', as most 'O's' are rarely if ever 'H'.
Are you advocating for IMDO?? An opinion can be truthful. I don't understand your complaint.
You may be using 'H' for 'Honest'; most use it for 'Humble', which is the use I was referring to. And it wasn't a complaint; more in the line of a general observation.
Maybe we'll start seeing that, IMDO. LOL It'll be the latest trend.
It's often said that Jimmy Carter is a much better ex-president than he was a president.
In the same way, Jay is a much better ex-coach than he was a coach.
Though no doubt his last name is unfairly hurting him among the ignorant, i.e., athletic departments.
