Jay Throws Down the Gauntlet

[simons96]

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Jay Paterno
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‪#‎ClickbaitAlert‬ The latest "story" from NBC contains no on the record source & reports as fact things about coaches at Penn State I know are not true. Enough is enough--unlike 2011 we will not sit idly by & allow a steady stream of false stories to tear us down. Lies and false narratives will not go unchallenged.

 

[BobPSU92]

I like Jay's OUTRAGE. .

 

[psuro]

It's time, bitches!

 

[JeannieNeedsAShooter]

Well it's about time. Enough of the "LaJolla strategy", where everyone is a victim who says they are regardless of how ridiculous their story is or how much money they are after. They must be a victim because CSA is such a horrible crime. And while Jay is at it, go back to where this whole thing started, Aaron Fisher. You remember him, the kid on the bed of cash flipping us off.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

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Jay Paterno
1 hr ·
‪#‎ClickbaitAlert‬ The latest "story" from NBC contains no on the record source & reports as fact things about coaches at Penn State I know are not true. Enough is enough--unlike 2011 we will not sit idly by & allow a steady stream of false stories to tear us down. Lies and false narratives will not go unchallenged.

Jay can talk the talk. Time to walk the walk though - put some teeth behind these words.

 

[MtNittany]

Money for nothing and (underage) chicks for free...

 

[BriCarPSU]

 

[BBrown]

Jay can talk the talk. Time to walk the walk though - put some teeth behind these words.

Here's the thing that needs to be spelled out to me because I want names.
Who are these "coaches" that witnessed this and then went on to the NFL and other DIV1 jobs?
Because the plus and minus with Joe and his staff, from the very beginning, is that members of his staff DIDN'T leave.
There were coaches that have left in the 00's and after BOB but none of them would have been around when JS was here.
There were players that are now coaches at other schools and in the NFL but those are players not "former" coaches.
The only name that I can find would be Bradley and Dick Anderson when he went to Rutgers. and wasn't Anderson a character witness for JS during the trial? (so I doubt it was him).
If they are going to throw out those accusations they better have more than "unnamed sources" and unidentified coaches.

 

[JeannieNeedsAShooter]

There's the cover and back cover of the soon to be released "The LaJolla Strategy: a guidebook for responding to outrageous accusations in the most politically correct way possible through the use of money, apologies and ignorance of relevant information in an attempt to appease others".

 

[AldenT]

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Jay Paterno
1 hr ·
‪#‎ClickbaitAlert‬ The latest "story" from NBC contains no on the record source & reports as fact things about coaches at Penn State I know are not true. Enough is enough--unlike 2011 we will not sit idly by & allow a steady stream of false stories to tear us down. Lies and false narratives will not go unchallenged.

Ok, I heard him on Finebaum. Paul is a supporter and as soon as he had clarification, done. Understood. Limited audience, but that's great.

Why isn't Sollers on every network, on every radio show, calling the WSJ and NYT, why isn't he holding a national press conference? The PR reaction here is again slow, tempered, and now the narrative is lost. Snide tweets from Scott aren't going to move the needle. Respond loudly, definitively, swiftly. TODAY. NOW.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Money for nothing and (underage) chicks for free...

That picture might just summarize the entire case

 

[Corabi94]

Ok, I heard him on Finebaum. Paul is a supporter and as soon as he had clarification, done. Understood. Limited audience, but that's great.

Why isn't Sollers on every network, on every radio show, calling the WSJ and NYT, why isn't he holding a national press conference? The PR reaction here is again slow, tempered, and now the narrative is lost. Snide tweets from Scott aren't going to move the needle. Respond loudly, definitively, swiftly. TODAY. NOW.

Agreed. And it's time for Scotty to just hang out at the creamery and shut his mouth. He jacked things up enough in 2011 and needs to stay the hell away from this.

 

[Nitwit]

The Paterno family or their legal counsel are not viewed as impartial. They can argue Joe's case, but to the public they come off as biased. It's hard to overcome the general belief that Joe knew everything that went on at Penn State since he was in fact the face of the university for so many years. I applaud their efforts to defend him, but I'm not sure that the public buys it.

 

[BBHorn86]

This battle is lost! The OGBOT have won and I'm sure they still have ammo left if needed.

All the effort to restore Joe's legacy over the past four years is lost.

Sorry. I hate writing this but it is what it is.

 

[wensilver]

Question - who in public office here in our Commonwealth can openly ask the relevant questions of those on the BoT that decided to settle any and all claims with an attempt to hornswaggle reimbursement? The Auditor General? The Attorney General?

We know Fraudney Erickson was hoping to push claims thru via the Hershey Medical Center.

Surely someone can start a conversation about the Insurance Fraud swirling around in all this?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

There's the cover and back cover of the soon to be released "The LaJolla Strategy: a guidebook for responding to outrageous accusations in the most politically correct way possible through the use of money, apologies and ignorance of relevant information in an attempt to appease others".

Shooter strategy. Blame everything on the all of the victims. Follow an attention whore and cry foul when some people don't attack Jerry's victims like you want them to. Notice the Paterno's never endorsed JZ. Notice they don't attack his victims like your POS hero. Hopefully these latest claims are inaccurate but I won't jump the gun either way. Quit worrying about me and keep listening to your attention whore.

 

[Mixolydian]

This battle is lost! The OGBOT have won and I'm sure they still have ammo left if needed.

All the effort to restore Joe's legacy over the past four years is lost.

Sorry. I hate writing this but it is what it is.

By "ammo" you must mean uncorroborated allegations from victims who received significant $ settlements, brought forward by an insurance company trying to avoid paying a near $100 million claim? Gotcha. Remind me not to go into a foxhole with you

 

[JoeBatters1]

As a poster indicated in another thread, I would suspect that 2 of the coaches referenced in the NBC report are Tom Bradley and Greg Schiano. While you are correct that Paterno's staff did not have much turnover during his tenure, there may also be the possibility that some of the coaches referenced could be graduate assistant coaches - at least those referenced in the 2 incidents in the 1980's. The one incident in 1988 I believe referenced a coach seeing "sexual contact" while the incident in 1987 referenced one seeing inappropriate behavior. The "sexual contact" one seems troubling and I would like to know more of exactly what was stated by the coach in question and what, if anything, he reported about it. Caveat here - I am no lawyer nor am I an insurance expert, but I'm thinking that many of these acts witnessed by coaches pertain to Sandusky showering with kids in PSU facilities, which he seemed to do on a more than a few occasions (I believe Bruce Heim alluded to seeing Sandusky do just this on a few occasions in an interview after the Army game flap). Remember that at the time nobody was the wiser about Sandusky and the societal norms and attitudes were different so most people probably didn't give a second thought about Sandusky showering with kids (some of the coaches at my high school showered together with the players in the locker room after practice in the mid-80's). However, now that Sandusky is a convicted pedophile these acts of showering with kids could now be viewed as grooming activities and maybe child endangerment, which maybe the insurance companies are using/spinning to avoid paying out money - again I am no expert but I am thinking that could possibly be what we are seeing here. And depending on how and what questions were asked during the depositions a coach could now be answering a question with "the benefit of hindsight" and thinking that what he saw was now wrong given that Sandusky is currently in jail - again I am not a lawyer, but I am thinking that context could be playing a role here. If I remember correctly, I believe there were documents relating to the 1998 showering incident that indicated there was another adult in the locker room while Sandusky was showering with the 1998 victim, which could have been a coach. I believe Sandusky was convicted on charges related to the 1998 incident in 2012 (but someone can correct me if I am wrong here). So now if there was a coach in 1998 in the locker room while Sandusky was showering with a kid and Sandusky is later convicted on charges related to that 1998 incident, then maybe the insurance companies can use/spin that coach's presence in the locker room as now being a witness to something criminal (?). I will defer to the attorney's and any insurance people on the board to correct me if I am out in left field with my observations.

Here's the thing that needs to be spelled out to me because I want names.
Who are these "coaches" that witnessed this and then went on to the NFL and other DIV1 jobs?
Because the plus and minus with Joe and his staff, from the very beginning, is that members of his staff DIDN'T leave.
There were coaches that have left in the 00's and after BOB but none of them would have been around when JS was here.
There were players that are now coaches at other schools and in the NFL but those are players not "former" coaches.
The only name that I can find would be Bradley and Dick Anderson when he went to Rutgers. and wasn't Anderson a character witness for JS during the trial? (so I doubt it was him).
If they are going to throw out those accusations they better have more than "unnamed sources" and unidentified coaches.

 

[lionlurker]

The New York Times is just excoriating us. I won't link the column, but the report has done its damage.

What is needed is some good house painters.

 

[MtNittany]

As a poster indicated in another thread, I would suspect that 2 of the coaches referenced in the NBC report are Tom Bradley and Greg Schiano. While you are correct that Paterno's staff did not have much turnover during his tenure, there may also be the possibility that some of the coaches referenced could be graduate assistant coaches - at least those referenced in the 2 incidents in the 1980's. The one incident in 1988 I believe referenced a coach seeing "sexual contact" while the incident in 1987 referenced one seeing inappropriate behavior. The "sexual contact" one seems troubling and I would like to know more of exactly what was stated by the coach in question and what, if anything, he reported about it. Caveat here - I am no lawyer nor am I an insurance expert, but I'm thinking that many of these acts witnessed by coaches pertain to Sandusky showering with kids in PSU facilities, which he seemed to do on a more than a few occasions (I believe Bruce Heim alluded to seeing Sandusky do just this on a few occasions in an interview after the Army game flap). Remember that at the time nobody was the wiser about Sandusky and the societal norms and attitudes were different so most people probably didn't give a second thought about Sandusky showering with kids (some of the coaches at my high school showered together with the players after practice in the locker room in the mid-80's). However, now that Sandusky is a convicted pedophile these acts of showering with kids could now be viewed as grooming activities and maybe child endangerment, which maybe the insurance companies are using/spinning to avoid paying out money - again I am no expert but I am thinking that could be what we are seeing here. And depending on how questions were asked during the depositions a coach could now be answering a question with "the benefit of hindsight" and thinking that what he saw was now wrong given that Sandusky is currently in jail - again I am not a lawyer, but I am thinking that context could be playing a role here. If I remember correctly, I believe there were documents relating to the 1998 showering incident that indicated there was another adult in the locker room while Sandusky was showering with the 1998 victim, which could have been a coach. I believe Sandusky was convicted on charges related to the 1998 incident in 2012 (but someone can correct me if I am wrong here). So now if there was a coach in 1998 in the locker room while Sandusky was showering with a kid and Sandusky is later convicted on charges related to that 1998 incident, then maybe the insurance companies can use/spin that coach's presence in the locker room as now being a witness to something criminal (?). I will defer to the attorney's and any insurance people on the board to correct me if I am out in left field with my observations.

You're investigating this, and treating this as if it has a chance of actually being true. Don't. It doesn't.

 

[BobPSU92]

There's the cover and back cover of the soon to be released "The LaJolla Strategy: a guidebook for responding to outrageous accusations in the most politically correct way possible through the use of money, apologies and ignorance of relevant information in an attempt to appease others".

To summarize: A pansy.

 

[BBrown]

As a poster indicated in another thread, I would suspect that 2 of the coaches referenced in the NBC report are Tom Bradley and Greg Schiano. While you are correct that Paterno's staff did not have much turnover during his tenure, there may also be the possibility that some of the coaches referenced could be graduate assistant coaches - at least those referenced in the 2 incidents in the 1980's. The one incident in 1988 I believe referenced a coach seeing "sexual contact" while the incident in 1987 referenced one seeing inappropriate behavior. The "sexual contact" one seems troubling and I would like to know more of exactly what was stated by the coach in question and what, if anything, he reported about it. Caveat here - I am no lawyer nor am I an insurance expert, but I'm thinking that many of these acts witnessed by coaches pertain to Sandusky showering with kids in PSU facilities, which he seemed to do on a more than a few occasions (I believe Bruce Heim alluded to seeing Sandusky do just this on a few occasions in an interview after the Army game flap). Remember that at the time nobody was the wiser about Sandusky and the societal norms and attitudes were different so most people probably didn't give a second thought about Sandusky showering with kids (some of the coaches at my high school showered together with the players in the locker room after practice in the mid-80's). However, now that Sandusky is a convicted pedophile these acts of showering with kids could now be viewed as grooming activities and maybe child endangerment, which maybe the insurance companies are using/spinning to avoid paying out money - again I am no expert but I am thinking that could possibly be what we are seeing here. And depending on how questions were asked during the depositions a coach could now be answering a question with "the benefit of hindsight" and thinking that what he saw was now wrong given that Sandusky is currently in jail - again I am not a lawyer, but I am thinking that context could be playing a role here. If I remember correctly, I believe there were documents relating to the 1998 showering incident that indicated there was another adult in the locker room while Sandusky was showering with the 1998 victim, which could have been a coach. I believe Sandusky was convicted on charges related to the 1998 incident in 2012 (but someone can correct me if I am wrong here). So now if there was a coach in 1998 in the locker room while Sandusky was showering with a kid and Sandusky is later convicted on charges related to that 1998 incident, then maybe the insurance companies can use/spin that coach's presence in the locker room as now being a witness to something criminal (?). I will defer to the attorney's and any insurance people on the board to correct me if I am out in left field with my observations.

Ahh thanks I forgot about Schiano good catch.
I also want more to the quote "you wont believe what I just saw"...saw what?
and you are correct about coaches showering with kids. We had a coach in jr. high that showered with us after Gym. I guess now it does seem pretty odd/creepy/weird (pick your adjective) but at the time it wasn't.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

To summarize: A pansy.

Says the pu$$y who puts everyone on ignore because he can't handle the fact Jerry molested children.

 

[wrm125]

People here have made cryptic comments about Schiano being unhirable at PSU because of something that happened in the past. This stuff related?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

People here have made cryptic comments about Schiano being unhirable at PSU because of something that happened in the past. This stuff related?

Who knows? If they witnessed such illegal activities, why didn't the come out when it occurred? At the very least, why not validate the claims 4 years ago? Why now? The timing is very odd. I wouldn't want a coach who witnessed that and did nothing on my staff.

 

[masterbaker65]

Money for nothing and (underage) chicks for free...

Now that pisses me off! Can't have sympathy for that $hithead! There are so many kids that have been abused that don't get paid millions. Trust me I know..

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Ok, I heard him on Finebaum. Paul is a supporter and as soon as he had clarification, done. Understood. Limited audience, but that's great.

Why isn't Sollers on every network, on every radio show, calling the WSJ and NYT, why isn't he holding a national press conference? The PR reaction here is again slow, tempered, and now the narrative is lost. Snide tweets from Scott aren't going to move the needle. Respond loudly, definitively, swiftly. TODAY. NOW.

We need Wick out there pressing the attack. No sleep until every angle has been addressed - every liar confronted and exposed. Scott needs to pipe down because he only does harm with his style. He's the idiot that let his dad interview with Sassano and release that statement. Jay is much better but let Wick and his team spearhead the attack on the MSM. That way if there is any blow back Wick takes the hit and not the Paterno family.

 

[BobPSU92]

This battle is lost! The OGBOT have won and I'm sure they still have ammo left if needed.

All the effort to restore Joe's legacy over the past four years is lost.

Sorry. I hate writing this but it is what it is.

 

[BBrown]

Who knows? If they witnessed such illegal activities, why didn't the come out when it occurred? At the very least, why not validate the claims 4 years ago? Why now? The timing is very odd. I wouldn't want a coach who witnessed that and did nothing on my staff.

Agree. The timing of all these "proclomations" is very "odd" to say the least, either the OGBOT is running scared and now just throwing everything they have out there or the Insurance company realized how much they have to pay...maybe both.
And yea why not 4 years ago when Freeh was turning over rocks or the AG was looking into things and 3 (I think) Grand Jury's were doing their thing? Very odd.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Agree. The timing of all these "proclomations" is very "odd" to say the least, either the OGBOT is running scared and now just throwing everything they have out there or the Insurance company realized how much they have to pay...maybe both.
And yea why not 4 years ago when Freeh was turning over rocks or the AG was looking into things and 3 (I think) Grand Jury's were doing their thing? Very odd.

Political people know how important the timing is when slinging mud. 6 coaches now know something but sat quietly when this was happening? I have zero doubt about Jery, but he seems like a pawn in a political war right now.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

This battle is lost! The OGBOT have won and I'm sure they still have ammo left if needed.

All the effort to restore Joe's legacy over the past four years is lost.

Sorry. I hate writing this but it is what it is.

Don't give up hope. We need every able bodied person out there in the trenches fighting for the truth. Joe is worth it. He had our backs all those years and we need to have his.

 

[Marshall30]

Money for nothing and (underage) chicks for free...

Bum. Fraud. Liar.

 

[lionlurker]

Who knows? If they witnessed such illegal activities, why didn't the come out when it occurred? At the very least, why not validate the claims 4 years ago? Why now? The timing is very odd. I wouldn't want a coach who witnessed that and did nothing on my staff.

Is it really possible that apparently 24,000 coaches "knew" or witnessed JS doing stuff, and absolutely nobody did anything at any time? I mean, come on. All of these coaches, trainers, players, etc etc etc all stood by and did nothing, said nothing, reported nothing, for decades and decades. It just defies credibility at some point. No victims went to the media or to lawyers? No newspapermen, trained in the Watergate era, would have investigated anything? Surely if it was all so well known one of them would have heard something.

It's just hard to believe.

 

[BBrown]

Political people know how important the timing is when slinging mud. 6 coaches now know something but sat quietly when this was happening? I have zero doubt about Jery, but he seems like a pawn in a political war right now.

Agree. You and I pretty much agree on JS. I do have issues about how the trial went down but thats me. The rest of this stuff is all OGBOT trying to cover their asses. INMO.

 

[lionlurker]

It's particularly unbelievable when you realize how many enemies Joe had. This was prime stuff to hang him with, and yet, nobody did? The Surmas hated him forever, and they did nothing with this info? The BOT tried to fire him in the early 2000's, and they did nothing with this info? Triponey hated him forever, and she of all people kept her mouth shut, when I'm sure she would have heard something from his detractors.

It is ridiculous at this point.

 

[BBrown]

It's particularly unbelievable when you realize how many enemies Joe had. This was prime stuff to hang him with, and yet, nobody did? The Surmas hated him forever, and they did nothing with this info? The BOT tried to fire him in the early 2000's, and they did nothing with this info? Triponey hated him forever, and she of all people kept her mouth shut, when I'm sure she would have heard something from his detractors.

It is ridiculous at this point.

Wow I never thought that. Excellent point.
Your post should be required reading. Well done.

 

[kentuckycb]

Is it really possible that apparently 24,000 coaches "knew" or witnessed JS doing stuff, and absolutely nobody did anything at any time? I mean, come on. All of these coaches, trainers, players, etc etc etc all stood by and did nothing, said nothing, reported nothing, for decades and decades. It just defies credibility at some point. No victims went to the media or to lawyers? No newspapermen, trained in the Watergate era, would have investigated anything? Surely if it was all so well known one of them would have heard something.

It's just hard to believe.

The only reason people bye any of this is because of the Catholic Church scandal. Sadly the circumstances are obviously very different here and there is no way any of this could have occurred without someone going to authorities. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[psuro]

I don't think the Paternos or Sollers gain anything by going on a vicious attack. The game plan has been, from day one:

1. Focus on you can control, not react to everything your opponent does.
2. Prepare a solid strategy by knowing your opponent's tendencies. Know what they are going to do before they do it and expect it.
3. Expect your opponent to try to surprise you with a play, or plays, you have not seen before.
4. The game is not won on hail marys. It's won on proper positioning, strong defense, slow but steady attack, and solid input from teammates who are involved for special plays only.
5. The game is played from starting whistle to the final whistle. It's not over at halftime.
6. Make adjustments when necessary, but don't abandon the game plan. It's there for a reason.

Damn it - it's like the old man sat down at his kitchen table with a bourbon and wrote this himself. This ultimate victory will be vintage Joe.

 

[nits74]

I don't think the Paternos or Sollers gain anything by going on a vicious attack. The game plan has been, from day one:

1. Focus on you can control, not react to everything your opponent does.
2. Prepare a solid strategy by knowing your opponent's tendencies. Know what they are going to do before they do it and expect it.
3. Expect your opponent to try to surprise you with a play, or plays, you have not seen before.
4. The game is not won on hail marys. It's won on proper positioning, strong defense, slow but steady attack, and solid input from teammates who are involved for special plays only.
5. The game is played from starting whistle to the final whistle. It's not over at halftime.
6. Make adjustments when necessary, but don't abandon the game plan. It's there for a reason.

Damn it - it's like the old man sat down at his kitchen table with a bourbon and wrote this himself. This ultimate victory will be vintage Joe.

Wrong. The time for decorum or whatever you want to call it is over. There comes a time when the gloves have to come off, and that time is now. What do you call what just happened to them, if not vicious? Sorry, but this is not a football game. And how'd the strategy of turning the other cheek workout in 2011 for Penn State? Enough is enough,.

 

[lein]

Well it's about time. Enough of the "LaJolla strategy", where everyone is a victim who says they are regardless of how ridiculous their story is or how much money they are after. They must be a victim because CSA is such a horrible crime. And while Jay is at it, go back to where this whole thing started, Aaron Fisher. You remember him, the kid on the bed of cash flipping us off.

Understand there are two issues.

Allegations of abuse by Jerry should've taken cautiously and given a chance to be properly vetted.

Allegations against Paterno that we are seeing should be vigorously attacked for the baseless salacious stories that they are.

The two are mutually exclusive.