Jeebzus! OSU just lost another
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I don't view it that way. He's a RS Jr. and is projected to be a first round pick.
Anybody who thinks that Meyer's ship is sinking is kidding themselves.
Anybody who thinks that Meyer's ship is sinking is kidding themselves.
I doubt if anyone thinks Urby's ship is sinking
But we saw this year that when you continually lose every kid as soon as they have a chance to go to the NFL.......you are gonna' have to deal with trying to get a lot of young guys up to speed in a hurry
If that is the case - even when you have kick ass recruiting years - the task gets pretty tough
Well.......except these are guys they would very much like to keep
Which makes it WAAAAAAAY better
Just curious and please keep the responses factual, did they receive their degrees?
This provides a very interesting case study.
As we know with Kentucky and B'ball 1 and doner's seem to work. Why is that? Is it the nature of the game that doesnt get too complex? Is it the fact that a 6'11 freshman with a little bit of coaching can play as well as a 4th year senior and in most respects has already developed physically?? How about over a 60 plus game schedule??
Take football
Rare cases aside, are the complexities of football more vast than basketball and to only play maybe 11 games that seniority in the game prepares one for the NFL more? For the longest time as we know Joe preferred not to play freshman, perhaps he believed the more mature players played with more consistency over the short span of games than the up and downs you get with younger players.
So I would think that the model of OSU opting to play freshman because they have to, yes they will recruit more of them because of that fact, but I would think the learning curve would be to vast. I would suspect they are all not quick study's even if it is football. So the 3 years after high school maybe out there for a reason
Does it matter? They will soon be millionaires.
Sounds like CJFranklin's plan at PSU. He has said he wants guys to get their degrees in 3 years.
For all his elite 1 and done recruits (and there's lots of them) Calipari has managed to win 1 national championship since he took the Kentucky job in 2009 (pretty good but below expectations because of 1 year players) Having said that, elite high school basketball players are much more prepared to play high level college basketball than elite football recruits are. There are exceptions, usually at the skilled positions. Football is more complex. This is just my opinion.
5 star true freshmen vs a 5 star junior who's been in the weight room for three years, big difference!!
If they lose that other corner back (Latrinore?) they have some holes back there
They lost - IIRC - three DBs early last year - and could be another three this year
No matter how well you recruit, if on your "hits" you only get one year of impactful play from each, that's a tough way to go
Hooker intercepted seven passes, returned three for touchdowns and earned All-America honors. Not bad impact for a one year and done starter.
Really wish Hooker would have stayed for another year, but kind of hard to imagine him having a better year. Outshined some very good and experienced DBs in Conley and Lattimore. Saw a mock draft (realizing it is based only on speculation at this point) which had him going 7th. Happy for him that he has made the.most of his opportunity.
If Lattimore leaves early too, those 3 will be a huge void to fill. OSU has recruited well at DB, and have some top flight recruits coming this year (assuming the coaching changes don't cause any last minute change of hearts), but very difficult position to play well with little to no experience.
Did you see how many UMich seniors DID come back for 2016?
But, yeah, does seem to be SQ at OSU and lots of others
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I have to admit I have never heard someone argue that having too many elite players every year is such a burden.
It sure would be nice if all those All-Americans at Alabama started to wear out the Tide football machine.
Not at all. OSU lost 9 underclassman last year. The 2015 team was far more talented than this one. Many kids go to OSU because they believe they will be NFL-ready in 3 years. That is how it works today.
Gee Whiz!!!
And here I thought the issue at hand was whether or not it hurt a team to lose top players early to the NFL, rather than have them return for another year
But let me know when you hear someone "arguing that having too many elite players is a burden".....' Cause that guy would be an idiot
Thanks for straightening that out for me.
And many go for the cash. Look at your current recruiting class. That is not assembled without large lump payments. You've cherry picked 5 stars from how many states thousands of miles away from your crappy campus that borders on some very shady areas of a shithole city in the middle of the cold rustbelt. Cali, Florida, Nevada, Colorado, Texas. Why would they want to spend even 3 years in such a cold and nasty place? $$$
This is the reason that your mercenaries depart at first hint of a higher bidder. Will Penn State and other programs lose some guys early to the draft? Yes. But our players came to play for Penn State, not for improper benefits. That is how O$U loses anyone who might get drafted early. They are bought and paid for but free to go play for more after 3 years.
My question is way off topic, but didn't want to start a thread with a negative title. The team's flight back from the Rose Bowl landed in Harrisburg. Why not at State College? I thought football practically built that airport. I would guess cost?
bwifan
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Total speculation on my part but I saw they were in a 747 can State College handle a 747 landing? Meaning do they have long enough runways? Or is it more a regional airport? Other thing maybe was the weather? Was a low cloud ceiling and rainy... Other than that I haven't the foggiest idea....
Not bad for a not highly ranked 3 star from western PA. I don't believe we recruited him, correct?
Obviously better, but like it or not, they don't seem to have many problems reloading.
In this respect Ohio State is no different from any other program. If you're going to be a 1st or 2nd round pick, for the vast majority of players the right decision is to go to the NFL. 1st and 2nd round signing bonus is significant and a lot of these kids come from poor and working class families so even half a million dollars is life-changing.
Ohio State has more early NFL entrance for two reasons --
1) Because they produce more NFL prospects than any other program but Alabama and
2) Because they admit a lot of kids who are functionally illiterate and will never, under any circumstances, be able to earn a college degree. OSU has been able to do this historically because, unlike places like PSU or Notre Dame, the admissions office is never an obstacle -- OSU has extremely low entrance requirements. OSU can admit kids who can't get by the admissions office at other programs, and they keep them eligible for two years, but maintaining eligibility longer than that can be difficult for people who can't read or write.
3) They recruit a lot of Katzenmoyer types who, while they're not functionally illiterate, are not college students and have no desire to go to college. In fact being able to offer that kind of experience (no need to study, nice car, nice apartment) is part of Ohio State's success recruiting. These kids float along for a couple years without much being asked of them academically, but by the third year it becomes harder to keep them eligible because they're not on track to ever earn a degree. These kids have to leave for the NFL whether they're ready or not.
And BTW what happens at PSU isn't totally different, it's just different by degree. PSU recruits a lot of players who are a long way academically from being typical PSU students. Most of them will be in easy majors. PSU -- especially now -- is going to be in the hunt for players who, if they stay healthy, will leave for the NFL at the 1st opportunity because they have NFL talent.
I do think PSU is different from Ohio State or MIchigan or North Carolina or most of the SEC in that football players have to take actual real college courses and do the work - and they don't play if they don't go to class. There are no "sports management" programs where the Athletic Director serves as the academic dean. There are no "independent study" courses or "African American Studies" courses where players can rack up automatic As to keep eligible.
The academic integrity side is a big part of the PSU tradition and what distinguishes PSU from other programs. And for the right kind of kid, it's a recruiting draw for PSU.
Any time a kid picks, say, a Florida State over Penn State, we all know what that means and probably the kid's parents do too -- that kid is NOT intending to earn a college degree. Not always, there are always notable exceptions, but most of the time this is the case.
Ohio State has more early NFL entrance for two reasons --
1) Because they produce more NFL prospects than any other program but Alabama and
2) Because they admit a lot of kids who are functionally illiterate and will never, under any circumstances, be able to earn a college degree. OSU has been able to do this historically because, unlike places like PSU or Notre Dame, the admissions office is never an obstacle -- OSU has extremely low entrance requirements. OSU can admit kids who can't get by the admissions office at other programs, and they keep them eligible for two years, but maintaining eligibility longer than that can be difficult for people who can't read or write.
3) They recruit a lot of Katzenmoyer types who, while they're not functionally illiterate, are not college students and have no desire to go to college. In fact being able to offer that kind of experience (no need to study, nice car, nice apartment) is part of Ohio State's success recruiting. These kids float along for a couple years without much being asked of them academically, but by the third year it becomes harder to keep them eligible because they're not on track to ever earn a degree. These kids have to leave for the NFL whether they're ready or not.
And BTW what happens at PSU isn't totally different, it's just different by degree. PSU recruits a lot of players who are a long way academically from being typical PSU students. Most of them will be in easy majors. PSU -- especially now -- is going to be in the hunt for players who, if they stay healthy, will leave for the NFL at the 1st opportunity because they have NFL talent.
I do think PSU is different from Ohio State or MIchigan or North Carolina or most of the SEC in that football players have to take actual real college courses and do the work - and they don't play if they don't go to class. There are no "sports management" programs where the Athletic Director serves as the academic dean. There are no "independent study" courses or "African American Studies" courses where players can rack up automatic As to keep eligible.
The academic integrity side is a big part of the PSU tradition and what distinguishes PSU from other programs. And for the right kind of kid, it's a recruiting draw for PSU.
Any time a kid picks, say, a Florida State over Penn State, we all know what that means and probably the kid's parents do too -- that kid is NOT intending to earn a college degree. Not always, there are always notable exceptions, but most of the time this is the case.
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Ah yes, Google is my friend.
http://www.roarlionsroar.com/penn-s...ate-arrives-in-los-angeles-for-2017-rose-bowl
Probably the return trip was the same.
Football is NOT more complex. The difference is PHYSICAL maturity. The TOP DL lineman last year coming out of HS was the kid that went to Michigan. How do you think he would have fared against an NFL OL
He would NOT have played AT ALL or he would have been killed !!!!(but give him 2-3 years to develop)
In BB the top kid was the one the 76ers drafted, he could easily have played at the NBA level right out of HS. More physically ready to compete - different physical tools between sports.
A lot of writing and thinking
But your points are well made and for me pretty much on target.
