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Jonathan Vilma = Much RESPECT / Dinich = CLUELESS

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Not sure if anyone heard him last night on ESPN holding Heather Dinich accountable for her senseless logic about Clemson, Notre Dame, and Alabama. She went way out of her way to defend Clemson's lose to Syracuse, stating it was only because of the Bryant injury and we should look past that. Not that Syracuse was beating them BEFORE he went out of the game and Clemson was almost a 20 point favorite. I know she is the back pocket of the ACC but it just makes for a really bad conversation when someone is that painfully bias.

Not to mention she went WAY out of her way to be critical of Penn State every step of the way.

The question was posed "who win was more impressive ND or PSU". Without missing a beat she said ND and that Michigan was not that good. Let's just ignore USC looked very shaky against Western Michigan, Texas, and Utah and has not looked great all year. USC has not passed the "eye test".

Meanwhile Vilma pointed out what PSU's offense did against the #1 defensive was MUCH more impressive. Dinich really came off looking foolish as the conversation unfolded.

It got to a point where Bugger had to calm him down because he was really respectfully laying into her senseless logic to a point where it got uncomfortable. This happened both with the Clemson and the PSU/ ND conversation.

I also give him credit for taking on the Alabama "free pass" to the playoff argument even if they lose to Georgia in the SEC title game. He challenged Dinich that they should not put them in the playoffs if they alose to Georgia.

Once Alabama beats LSU and either Georgia beats Auburn or Alabama beats Auburn... listen to this FOLKS .. Alabama will NOT have beat 1 , not one top 25 team.

How in the world can you put a team in the top 4 who does not have 1 top 25 win and doest even win there conference?


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Sat, Sept 2
1-0 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 9
2-0 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 16
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Sat, Sept 23
4-0 (1-0)
Sat, Sept 30
5-0 (2-0)
Sat, Oct 7
6-0 (3-0)
Sat, Oct 14
7-0 (4-0)
Sat, Oct 21
8-0 (5-0)
Sat, Nov 4
TBD 1,062 available from $8
Sat, Nov 11
TBD 2,211 available from $66
Sat, Nov 18
TBD 840 available from $5
Sat, Nov 25
TBD 3,252 available from $216
 
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Yeah, i watched the show mainly because they teased me with a Barkley spot that didn't end up happening until near the end. Dinich was pretty clueless on things. It is a shame they put a women on the show just to have one on the show for diversity when she really doesn't know her stuff. If they are going to put a woman on, at least get one on that knows football and can talk intelligently. She obviously is playing the 'contrarian' role, but she really is very poor with her knowledge of things and what makes it worse is that she is not any good at creating a coherent argument. So when she is weak on facts and follows that up with being a weak debater, it just looks stupid.
 
Not sure if anyone heard him last night on ESPN holding Heather Dinich accountable for her senseless logic about Clemson, Notre Dame, and Alabama. She went way out of her way to defend Clemson's lose to Syracuse, stating it was only because of the Bryant injury and we should look past that. Not that Syracuse was beating them BEFORE he went out of the game and Clemson was almost a 20 point favorite. I know she is the back pocket of the ACC but it just makes for a really bad conversation when someone is that painfully bias.

Not to mention she went WAY out of her way to be critical of Penn State every step of the way.

The question was posed "who win was more impressive ND or PSU". Without missing a beat she said ND and that Michigan was not that good. Let's just ignore USC looked very shaky against Western Michigan, Texas, and Utah and has not looked great all year. USC has not passed the "eye test".

Meanwhile Vilma pointed out what PSU's offense did against the #1 defensive was MUCH more impressive. Dinich really came off looking foolish as the conversation unfolded.

It got to a point where Bugger had to calm him down because he was really respectfully laying into her senseless logic to a point where it got uncomfortable. This happened both with the Clemson and the PSU/ ND conversation.

I also give him credit for taking on the Alabama "free pass" to the playoff argument even if they lose to Georgia in the SEC title game. He challenged Dinich that they should not put them in the playoffs if they alose to Georgia.

Once Alabama beats LSU and either Georgia beats Auburn or Alabama beats Auburn... listen to this FOLKS .. Alabama will NOT have beat 1 , not one top 25 team.

How in the world can you put a team in the top 4 who does not have 1 top 25 win and doest even win there conference?


DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS
Sat, Sept 2
1-0 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 9
2-0 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 16
3-0 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 23
4-0 (1-0)
Sat, Sept 30
5-0 (2-0)
Sat, Oct 7
6-0 (3-0)
Sat, Oct 14
7-0 (4-0)
Sat, Oct 21
8-0 (5-0)
Sat, Nov 4
TBD 1,062 available from $8
Sat, Nov 11
TBD 2,211 available from $66
Sat, Nov 18
TBD 840 available from $5
Sat, Nov 25
TBD 3,252 available from $216

The new mystery metric getting a lot of traction this year - especially when it comes to Bama - is ‘historical performance.’ Heard the talking heads on Sirius XM’s ‘The First Team’ use it earlier this year when defending Bama. Get ready...
 
Dinbitch really is comical. It's one thing to be a bit of a contrarian, God knows ESPN has hordes of those, but she is just plain an idiot. No other way to say it. An idiot with obvious agendas.
 
Actually, she also said that PSU deserved to be in the top 4 right now, although she had them at #3 and not #2.
And I agree with her - Notre Dame's victory over USC is far more impressive than PSU's victory over Michigan.

And her gender has nothing to do with it.
 
Actually, she also said that PSU deserved to be in the top 4 right now, although she had them at #3 and not #2.
And I agree with her - Notre Dame's victory over USC is far more impressive than PSU's victory over Michigan.

And her gender has nothing to do with it.

Are you saying Penn State beat a bunch of girls and nd beat real men?

:confused:
 
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Dinich has been an ACC homer for a while. Fortunately her opinion won't matter to the playoff committee.
 
Actually, she also said that PSU deserved to be in the top 4 right now, although she had them at #3 and not #2.
And I agree with her - Notre Dame's victory over USC is far more impressive than PSU's victory over Michigan.

And her gender has nothing to do with it.
Well neither Michigan nor USC have any good Running Backs or Receivers, so the QBs don't really matter. USC plays Pac 12 defense, and should have lost 1-2 more games before Saturday, so I deem our win to be more impressive.

And Dinich is one fugly human- gender has nothing to do with it.
 
Actually, she also said that PSU deserved to be in the top 4 right now, although she had them at #3 and not #2.
And I agree with her - Notre Dame's victory over USC is far more impressive than PSU's victory over Michigan.

And her gender has nothing to do with it.
Do you also agree with her least defensible statement that as of today, Clemson should get the 4th spot with Al, TCU and PSU? She has an undefeated GA who beat ND at ND in 5th place outside of the playoff.

That statement cannot be defended IMHO.
 
They are all setting it up so that if Georgia beats Bama in the SEC champ game both Bama and Gerogia get in. That's why they are also saying that the PAC 12 is done and that the BIG 12 is mostly done except for two teams. Why do you think LSU is continually in and out of the top 25..they freaking lost at home to Troy...TROY..they are pumping up the SEC to have them get two teams in.
 
Actually, she also said that PSU deserved to be in the top 4 right now, although she had them at #3 and not #2.
And I agree with her - Notre Dame's victory over USC is far more impressive than PSU's victory over Michigan.

And her gender has nothing to do with it.

I disagree mainly because USC has had issues in every game thus far and they are so banged up with injuries.

USC will not win their Division and in fact could end up with 4 losses by end of season ( believe they still have ASU and Arizona left?)

I bet Michigan beats Wisconsin ( yup...) and playing at home JH finally gets his signature win against the Buckeyes...
 
She looks like a lemon squeezed out of a Michigan grads arse. (Nod to another post). She is a moron, plain and simple and with no looks or personality to back her up, expect her to be part of next Bristol purge.
 
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Actually, she also said that PSU deserved to be in the top 4 right now, although she had them at #3 and not #2.
And I agree with her - Notre Dame's victory over USC is far more impressive than PSU's victory over Michigan.

And her gender has nothing to do with it.
I agree, gender shouldn't have anything to do with it. However, USC hasn't been very good. Lost to Washington State. And had to go to 2 OT's to beat Texas. Also barely beat Utah.

Meanwhile, Wimbush is looking great. ND had a solid win against Sparty, who is pretty decent this year. their loan loss was to GA, who also has had a pretty easy schedule in retrospect (Miss St, Tenn are their "big wins"). ND's got the easiest schedule I've seen them have in quite some time.
 
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The thing with her and some of the other analysts, they actually don’t know football all that well. They are looking at rankings, stats etc, but they don’t know the actual game itself. Stewart Mandel and Adam Rittenberg are two others like that. I don’t mind listening to them all that much because I understand that they are not X’s and O’s People. At all
 
The thing with her and some of the other analysts, they actually don’t know football all that well. They are looking at rankings, stats etc, but they don’t know the actual game itself. Stewart Mandel and Adam Rittenberg are two others like that. I don’t mind listening to them all that much because I understand that they are not X’s and O’s People. At all

Don't disagree but they, then, have no value at all. As I've said, no smarter than the drunk guy at the end of the bar at Hooters. I mean, do a little homework on the top six teams for God's sake. If that is your topic of the day, shouldn't you actually "know" something?
 
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If PSU were to lose to tOSU then it'll be nearly impossible to get into the playoffs if there are multiple other 1 loss teams. Even if that 1 loss is "better" than ND's home loss to UGA who had a true frosh making his first road start ever, and being better than Clemson's loss to Syracuse and OU's loss to ISU. All teams that would no doubt get in over PSU. It sucks, but at least for right now PSU controls its own fate and will continue to do so if it keeps winning.
 
I agree, gender shouldn't have anything to do with it. However, USC hasn't been very good. Lost to Washington State. And had to go to 2 OT's to beat Texas. Also barely beat Utah.

Meanwhile, Wimbush is looking great. ND had a solid win against Sparty, who is pretty decent this year. their loan loss was to GA, who also has had a pretty easy schedule in retrospect (Miss St, Tenn are their "big wins"). ND's got the easiest schedule I've seen them have in quite some time.

Let's not get carried away calling Wimbush great....
QB Rating - 117 (Trace 155)
Passing yards - 903 (1879) he's passed for more than 200 yds only once this season
Completion % - 51 (67%)
Rushing - 508 (254)
Decent stats only because of his running ability, he seems to be managing the games pretty good and not making mistakes but his performance is nowhere near "great"
 
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I have always been impressed with Vilma. He is very good at his job.

I like him alot as well

Also last week watched another B10 segment with james laurentitis ... continue to be impressed with him as an analyst in only his first year

Now Ray Lucas on the other hand ... brutal
 
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An example of a guy who actually knows what the heck he is talking about in regards to X's and O's believe it or not is Any Staples. He had a great breakdown of the first touchdown play in SI today. Including some things that I didn't see until he pointed them out. For example, Bates dropped into a pass blocking stance which sent Gary upfield and opened the seam for barkley to run.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/10/23/penn-state-offense-michigan-ohio-state

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — They began working the play in camp, but it sat on the shelf for the first half of the season. Finally, on the second play of the game against one of the nation’s top defenses, Penn State coach James Franklin and offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead unleashed it.

The basic description—a Wildcat play for star tailback Saquon Barkley—doesn’t sound like anything special. Barkley is one of the nation’s best backs and a likely Heisman Trophy contender. Of course the coaching staff would find a way to snap the ball to him directly and run something simple like QB Power or inside zone. But it wasn’t the play itself that shocked Michigan. It was the way the Nittany Lions set it up.

On a typical Wildcat play, the quarterback splits out wide while the tailback takes his place behind the center. A defender has to remain near the quarterback on the off chance he may be used as a receiver, but the quarterback rarely does much except serve as a decoy. This was taken to hilarious extremes a few weeks ago by Miami Dolphins quarterback Jay Cutler.

But why use Penn State quarterback Trace McSorley as a decoy? He can run as well as most tailbacks. So instead of splitting McSorley out wide, Moorhead decided to simply swap McSorley and Barkley’s roles in the read option. This didn’t change anything for Penn State’s blockers and didn’t change much—other than offering a refreshing change of pace—for Barkley and McSorley. But it did accomplish two things:

1. The Nittany Lions could get into the formation much more quickly than if they’d sent McSorley to the edge of the field, and this kept Michigan from adjusting. All McSorley and Barkley did was trade places and run the play. “That was pretty fun to see it from that point of view,” said McSorley, who took a handoff from that formation later in the game.

2. It really messed with the Wolverines’ heads.

Michigan players spent all week practicing to defend read option plays in which McSorley puts the ball in the belly of Barkley and reads an unblocked defender. Repetition taught Michigan defenders that the guy holding the ball first is the less dangerous runner and the one who might take the ball is the more dangerous runner. Plus, the action of the blockers told the Wolverines that the play was designed to go to the player who might take the ball. The quarterback will only pull if he has an obvious running lane.

Barkley took the snap and placed the ball in the belly of McSorley, who ran from left to right toward the short side of the field. (That was on purpose as well, leaving more field open to the left.) Michigan defenders flowed with Penn State’s linemen as they blocked an inside zone to the right. They left one defender (linebacker Mike McCray) unblocked on the right, suggesting that’s where the play would go. Everything they’d been trained to do told them to favor the runner who might take the ball (McSorley) rather than the player who took the snap (Barkley).

And that’s exactly what they did. The only detail remaining was to leave a crease for Barkley to escape through when he pulled the ball back from McSorley’s belly. That was achieved by having left tackle Ryan Bates pass set instead of run block. That drew defensive end Rashan Gary on an upfield rush and opened a seam to the left for Barkley. You probably already know what happened next.

Barkley outran Michigan’s entire secondary and scored the first of his three touchdowns: two rushing, one receiving. Penn State set a tone that no matter how stingy Michigan’s defense had been before, it would not limit an offense that had better players than Michigan had previously seen and had saved several new wrinkles just for the Wolverines.

“That offense is ridiculous,” Penn State linebacker Jason Cabinda said. “Joe Moorhead’s a genius.” And Penn State’s willingness to break out new wrinkles early in games has contributed to a 90–0 advantage in first quarters this season. “If you can get a lead, it changes how people have to play,” Franklin said. “So we play with an aggressive mindset.”

That Wildcat formation was the most obvious, but the Nittany Lions unveiled several new formations and motions Saturday just for Michigan. They had practiced all of these earlier, but they didn’t want them on video, so they avoided using them in games. This included starting with an empty backfield and staying empty through the snap of the ball. (Previously, someone had motioned into the backfield from an empty set, or someone had motioned out of the backfield to create an empty set.) Barkley’s juggling 42-yard touchdown catch came out of one of these formations.


It also included the occasional game of skill player monte, using pre-snap motion to disguise Barkley’s location at the snap for as long as possible. The less time the Wolverines had to adjust after determining where Barkley would start each play, the better for Penn State. But while the Nittany Lions had saved some scheme specifically for Michigan, the Wolverines had opted to stick mostly with what they’d already shown Penn State on film. “They stayed true to themselves,” Barkley said. “They changed a little bit of stuff, but they played us how they played a lot of other teams.”

This is an eternal debate in football. When faced with a dynamic opponent, how much should a coach change or add? Or should he dance with the date who got him to this particular party? Penn State didn’t unveil a new offense for Michigan. Moorhead added on to concepts the Nittany Lions use frequently. Even the most extreme example—the Wildcat read option—isn’t that much of a stretch. Barkley and McSorley run the read option routinely. Each knows who should get the ball when based on what the defense shows. All they needed to hone was Barkley’s ability to hand off (or not) and McSorley’s sense for when to clamp down on the ball if he was going to take a handoff.

They built their catalogue of skills with a practice ethic created from the ashes of last season’s 49–10 disaster at Michigan. “That was rock bottom for this team,” McSorley said. “Everyone was embarrassed. We thought we’d been working hard the entire time. … We had to swallow our pride and realize we weren’t working to the standard we needed to compete at the highest level of the Big Ten.”

They learned their day-in, day-out preparation needed to be better, to be more like Michigan’s disciplined, veteran 2016 team. They also learned that they needed to have something special for special opponents. They’ll need something especially special this week when they go to Columbus to face Ohio State in a game that likely will decide the Big Ten East title.

After the Michigan win, James Franklin picked up a reporter’s phone and checked the time. Seeing it was 11:23 pm, he made a declaration. “We’ve got 37 minutes to enjoy this win,” he said. “I’m not going to talk about the next opponent. I’m going to enjoy the heck out of this win for 37 minutes.”

By now, the Nittany Lions have fully immersed themselves in preparation for the Buckeyes. This includes something they might have shown Saturday had Michigan kept the score a little closer. “We had another play that Joe wanted to call,” Franklin said. “I just said, ‘I would prefer that you not.’”

What could it be? Will it be as fun as Barkley’s Wildcat formation?

We’ll find out when the Buckeyes do.

Sports Illustrated is celebrating Penn State’s last quarter-century of Big Ten play with a special issue, honoring the school’s greatest players and games from the era. You can get your copy at newsstands now, or order it online here.
 
Actually, she also said that PSU deserved to be in the top 4 right now, although she had them at #3 and not #2.
And I agree with her - Notre Dame's victory over USC is far more impressive than PSU's victory over Michigan.

And her gender has nothing to do with it.
Really? And her gender has nothing to do with it.
 
ESPN should revise their commentary and have Heather play the Jane (you ignorant slut!) Curtin role to Vilma's Dan Ackroyd. At least it'd be more entertaining.

 
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Yeah, i watched the show mainly because they teased me with a Barkley spot that didn't end up happening until near the end. Dinich was pretty clueless on things. It is a shame they put a women on the show just to have one on the show for diversity when she really doesn't know her stuff. If they are going to put a woman on, at least get one on that knows football and can talk intelligently. She obviously is playing the 'contrarian' role, but she really is very poor with her knowledge of things and what makes it worse is that she is not any good at creating a coherent argument. So when she is weak on facts and follows that up with being a weak debater, it just looks stupid.
Your mistake is thinking ESPN cares about putting people on TV that can speak intelligently. Their goal is ratings and the ad revenue that is associated with said ratings. Considering that even though you don't like her, both you and the OP not only watched this program, but are still talking about it afterwards, shows that ESPN accomplished their goal. If intelligent conversation was the goal Stephen A. Smith and several of the other blowhards would never even sniff a TV set.
 
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