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Judge implies Kane can release porn emails
August 14, 2015

The judge supervising the grand jury that investigated state Attorney General Kathleen G. Kane said Thursday she hasn’t officially asked him to allow her to release the offensive emails she claims exist, so he can’t act to order their release.

Judge William R. Carpenter also implied she doesn’t need his permission to release the pornographic and racially and religiously offensive emails she claims are at the root of her troubles. The emails were never introduced before his grand jury in Montgomery County, he said.

Other than thanking grand jury members for their hard work, Judge Carpenter said nothing else in a statement released Thursday about the criminally charged attorney general’s request.

Chuck Ardo, Kane’s spokeswoman, said Kane’s lawyers will file a request next week asking Judge Carpenter to lift an order she claims blocks the release of the emails. He said the office would have no further comment.

Kane of Waverly Township is accused of leaking secret information from an earlier grand jury to a Philadelphia newspaper to embarrass a former prosecutor she thought did the same to her and then lying about it to Judge Carpenter’s grand jury. She told reporters Wednesday her troubles started when she made it known her office had the technology to trace every email in former attorney general Tom Corbett’s administration, her predecessor.

State prosecutors and judges started investigating her because she found their “pornographic, racially offensive and religiously offensive emails” on attorney general’s office computers and they want to stop her from releasing them, she said.

She singled out Judge Carpenter, saying he and other judges and prosecutors had, “wittingly or unwittingly,” kept the emails secret. She said Judge Carpenter “to this day prevents the complete public dissemination of these emails under a tortured interpretation of our state’s grand jury secrecy law.”

The judge referred his grand jury’s findings to Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman, who last week charged Kane with obstructing the administration of law, official oppression, false swearing and perjury.

Kane says she’s innocent and the release of the emails is essential to her defense.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/judge-implies-kane-can-release-porn-emails-1.1926731#
 
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I sure want to see all of those emails released. I need to know where to find good porn. Oops. I mean that I want those bastards hung out to dry for doing the stupid stuff they've done while at work. Plus it will probably expose more of Corbett and Fina.
 
I sure want to see all of those emails released. I need to know where to find good porn. Oops. I mean that I want those bastards hung out to dry for doing the stupid stuff they've done while at work. Plus it will probably expose more of Corbett and Fina.


HAW!
 
If there is nothing in those emails, she would look incredibly stupid. So I assume there is something in those emails.
Let's assume the sealed e-mails are comparable to the ones that have already been released. Obviously there are extraordinarily embarrassing to those who viewed them and they are career enders for any high ranking official. That said, there is no chance, zero, that Carpenter will allow these e-mails to be released.
 
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Judge implies Kane can release porn emails
August 14, 2015

The judge supervising the grand jury that investigated state Attorney General Kathleen G. Kane said Thursday she hasn’t officially asked him to allow her to release the offensive emails she claims exist, so he can’t act to order their release.

Judge William R. Carpenter also implied she doesn’t need his permission to release the pornographic and racially and religiously offensive emails she claims are at the root of her troubles. The emails were never introduced before his grand jury in Montgomery County, he said.

Other than thanking grand jury members for their hard work, Judge Carpenter said nothing else in a statement released Thursday about the criminally charged attorney general’s request.

Chuck Ardo, Kane’s spokeswoman, said Kane’s lawyers will file a request next week asking Judge Carpenter to lift an order she claims blocks the release of the emails. He said the office would have no further comment.

Kane of Waverly Township is accused of leaking secret information from an earlier grand jury to a Philadelphia newspaper to embarrass a former prosecutor she thought did the same to her and then lying about it to Judge Carpenter’s grand jury. She told reporters Wednesday her troubles started when she made it known her office had the technology to trace every email in former attorney general Tom Corbett’s administration, her predecessor.

State prosecutors and judges started investigating her because she found their “pornographic, racially offensive and religiously offensive emails” on attorney general’s office computers and they want to stop her from releasing them, she said.

She singled out Judge Carpenter, saying he and other judges and prosecutors had, “wittingly or unwittingly,” kept the emails secret. She said Judge Carpenter “to this day prevents the complete public dissemination of these emails under a tortured interpretation of our state’s grand jury secrecy law.”

The judge referred his grand jury’s findings to Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman, who last week charged Kane with obstructing the administration of law, official oppression, false swearing and perjury.

Kane says she’s innocent and the release of the emails is essential to her defense.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/judge-implies-kane-can-release-porn-emails-1.1926731#



Those things that Budd Dwyer was charged with back in the day? Those were things that highly placed people implied he could do. Word. Highly placed Rs. Highly placed Rs operating as part of a team lead by Bob Asher...the ex-convict (convicted in the same scheme as Dwyer, and served time) and now current R team leader. LOL.

Kane knows all this. They ain't going to be able to Dwyer her over this thing.

Let me say it again: Your team in PA is headed by an ex-convict.

LOL. You do make me laugh.
 
Well, he made it sound like he would consider it. If he changes his stance after yesterday's remarks, that alone would prove that she is right.

She has put Carpenter into a very bad situation.
 
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Well, he made it sound like he would consider it. If he changes his stance after yesterday's remarks, that alone would prove that she is right.

She has put Carpenter into a very bad situation.
His remarks yesterday were a work of art. He said the e-mails were not part of the grand jury investigation that is sealed. Everyone already knew that. So he is trying to fool people with that comment. He also said Kane had not filed any motion asking the e-mails to be unsealed and that is true, but that motion is coming next week.
If he wanted to he could have clearly stated yesterday, "go ahead and release any e-mails you want." The fact that he did not do that is all we need to know.
 
Perhaps, but when he denies their release then she will have won that battle, and she'll call another press conference to keep pushing it. I don't think he will be able to keep them from being released if she keeps talking to the media.
 
His remarks yesterday were a work of art. He said the e-mails were not part of the grand jury investigation that is sealed. Everyone already knew that. So he is trying to fool people with that comment. He also said Kane had not filed any motion asking the e-mails to be unsealed and that is true, but that motion is coming next week.
If he wanted to he could have clearly stated yesterday, "go ahead and release any e-mails you want." The fact that he did not do that is all we need to know.

Difficult to see how he can now turn around and say that the emails can't be released.

I wouldn't be surprised to see one or more news organizations jump in and support disclosure as well. At least, that's what a responsible news org. would o.
 
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If he formally denies the release, I presume that gives her the legal opportunity to formally appeal that decision to a higher court? I'm guessing that's her likely strategy.
 
If he formally denies the release, I presume that gives her the legal opportunity to formally appeal that decision to a higher court? I'm guessing that's her likely strategy.

From the article:

Judge William R. Carpenter also implied she doesn’t need his permission to release the pornographic and racially and religiously offensive emails she claims are at the root of her troubles. The emails were never introduced before his grand jury in Montgomery County, he said.
 
Difficult to see how he can now turn around and say that the emails can't be released.

I wouldn't be surprised to see one or more news organizations jump in and support disclosure as well. At least, that's what a responsible news org. would o.
There already have been RTK requests filed by the media and their requests were denied on the basis that the e-mails are not considered to be "public documents".
Why can't Kane release the so-called Fina e-mails? Apparently she believes there is one or more Court Orders which bar her from doing so. Those Orders are not necessarily related to the GJ but obviously everything in this case is somewhat related. Exactly what Court Orders Kane is referring to is somewhat unclear and I would imagine Carpenter may punt on that decision and say Kane needs to go to the Judge who issued the Court Order, not him.
With all that said, has anyone thought that it may be in Kane's interests if said Order is NOT lifted and she therefore cannot release the e-mails? Once they are released her defense is effectively stripped away as there is no longer any "smoking gun" that is being hidden.
 
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With all that said, has anyone thought that it may be in Kane's interests if said Order is NOT lifted and she therefore cannot release the e-mails? Once they are released her defense is effectively stripped away as there is no longer any "smoking gun" that is being hidden.

Yeah, that's probably why Carpenter made his statement. Now Kane has to file a motion. And Carpenter will say: "I never told you that you couldn't disclose the emails so do whatever you think you're allowed to do", and Kane will look stupid, again.

Carpenter has invited Kane to file a motion, so he can cut her legs out from under her and have the last laugh.
 
I thought the order Fina got from Carpenter prohibited Kane from going publicly negative on Fina
 
There already have been RTK requests filed by the media and their requests were denied on the basis that the e-mails are not considered to be "public documents".
Why can't Kane release the so-called Fina e-mails? Apparently she believes there is one or more Court Orders which bar her from doing so. Those Orders are not necessarily related to the GJ but obviously everything in this case is somewhat related. Exactly what Court Orders Kane is referring to is somewhat unclear and I would imagine Carpenter may punt on that decision and say Kane needs to go to the Judge who issued the Court Order, not him.
With all that said, has anyone thought that it may be in Kane's interests if said Order is NOT lifted and she therefore cannot release the e-mails? Once they are released her defense is effectively stripped away as there is no longer any "smoking gun" that is being hidden.

They have indicted her for breaching GJ secrecy rules. She will need an invitation from Carpenter to release them, in the form of a court order. He sort of said yesterday that the secrecy rules do not cover the emails, but that is a terrible trap until he commits to it. Once he commits to it can someone appeal THAT order? Not sure I understand all that so well. I do think it is funny that people are calling his office.
 
I thought the order Fina got from Carpenter prohibited Kane from going publicly negative on Fina

Right. Carpenter is being very slippery. Kane never said that she couldn't release them because they were GJ material. She said she couldn't release them because of Carpenter's order about "retaliating" against GJ witnesses (i.e. Fina and his pals).
 
Kane is an idiot. The ball is in her court. What has ever stopped her from charging anyone who broke the law with the emails? Most likely the people she targeted have not broken any laws. When Seth Williams called her bluff he made her look like a fool. The same will happen here.
 
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Right. Carpenter is being very slippery. Kane never said that she couldn't release them because they were GJ material. She said she couldn't release them because of Carpenter's order about "retaliating" against GJ witnesses (i.e. Fina and his pals).

The folks who "cannot see" that Carpenter is being slippery are the very same people that have been apologists for the real bad guys from the get go.

These are the snakes in our grass.

LoL
 
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The folks who "cannot see" that Carpenter is being slippery are the very same people that have been apologists for the real bad guys from the get go.

These are the snakes in our grass.

LoL

Of course he's being slippery. That's the way this game is played.

BTW, Kane is not unslippery.
 
Of course he's being slippery. That's the way this game is played.

BTW, Kane is not unslippery.
That's all fine. So the judge should not be whining when his staff is overwhelmed with phone calls and he is treated like just another slippery politician. Agreed?
 
Those things that Budd Dwyer was charged with back in the day? Those were things that highly placed people implied he could do. Word. Highly placed Rs. Highly placed Rs operating as part of a team lead by Bob Asher...the ex-convict (convicted in the same scheme as Dwyer, and served time) and now current R team leader. LOL.

Kane knows all this. They ain't going to be able to Dwyer her over this thing.

Let me say it again: Your team in PA is headed by an ex-convict.

LOL. You do make me laugh.

R. Budd Dwyer was more the doing of LZ than RA, although the two have been a "tag-team" for a long, long time in regards to be "kingmakers" in the PA GOP. Both work closely together and have served as GOP Party Head for PA. I believe Asher was Campaign Manager for at least one of LZ's AG Campaigns (1980 & 1984 both successful). Asher was Campaign Manager for Corbett...LZ and RA were also the parties who made Tom Ridge Governor and launched his political career at the Federal level (ditto RS...and they own Corman as well). Agree with you though that "all roads lead to Hershey" in regards to R. Budd Dwyer allegations, multiple Milton Hershey Trust scandals, TSM/Sandusky scandal and now Kathleen Kane allegations. Massive corruption running straight through Hershey & Montgomery County run through all of it...
 
That's all fine. So the judge should not be whining when his staff is overwhelmed with phone calls and he is treated like just another slippery politician. Agreed?

Who cares whether some judge is whining?
 
One more thing....I believe that Asher was on the list of individuals considered for indictment but the then US AG (Ed Meese) found out that he was on the list and personally approached the federal prosecutor and expressed his disappointment that Asher was on the list. Meese then threatened to travel to Harrisburg to personally review the case. A short time later, Asher's name was dropped from the indictment list.

FWIW, I am not involved in the Dwyer thing, I have just been doing a lot of reading about the whole mess.

Some of what you write may well be the correct history behind it. However, Asher was convicted and did time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Asher#1987_conviction
 
Some of what you write may well be the correct history behind it. However, Asher was convicted and did time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Asher#1987_conviction
Correct. Asher spend time in prison, as did the Chair of the Dauphin County Republican Party, Bill Smith, as a result of the same case that Dwyer was tied up in. So if it was some sort of Republican party orchestrated indictment they took down three of their own top officials in the process.
 
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One more thing....I believe that Asher was on the list of individuals considered for indictment but the then US AG (Ed Meese) found out that he was on the list and personally approached the federal prosecutor and expressed his disappointment that Asher was on the list. Meese then threatened to travel to Harrisburg to personally review the case. A short time later, Asher's name was dropped from the indictment list.

FWIW, I am not involved in the Dwyer thing, I have just been doing a lot of reading about the whole mess.

Very true...and sad that is still the only strategy/plan they have this is operational. LOL.
 
Correct. Asher spend time in prison, as did the Chair of the Dauphin County Republican Party, Bill Smith, as a result of the same case that Dwyer was tied up in. So if it was some sort of Republican party orchestrated indictment they took down three of their own top officials in the process.

They absolutely did - it is a very well known fact in NW PA that R. Budd Dwyer was RAILROADED by his own party and the corrupt power-base of the GOP (these jackals will do or say anyting in the name of their own self-interest, narcissism, self-promotion and averice -- take a look at PSU's very own Jake Corman if you want a good example of that!). R. Budd Dwyer was the last person on earth who would do anything corrupt, did not lead a big lifestyle and was one of the most generous, "good-hearted" people you will ever meet. The notion that R. Budd Dwyer was not railroaded by this parade of scum-buckets (including a former Gov who jumped into bed with this vermin so he could be Gov) is laughable. Asher was told that if he did his time like a "good soldier" he would be handsomely rewarded by the party. Asher ended up doing only 1 year in prison and after he was out later returned to GOP Politics and was named the Chairman of the GOP Pennsylvania National Committee for Pennsylvania.
 
New conspiracy theory: Hillary Clinton was in on the pornographic emails. That's why the FBI is searching her private server. Umm. Maybe her "frisky" husband was the one sharing these porno emails. Umm. Nevermind. I think I'm confusingly mixing up all the assorted political scandals right now.
 
New conspiracy theory: Hillary Clinton was in on the pornographic emails. That's why the FBI is searching her private server. Umm. Maybe her "frisky" husband was the one sharing these porno emails. Umm. Nevermind. I think I'm confusingly mixing up all the assorted political scandals right now.

Posts like this give me more faith that I am looking at this right.

I think more and more people are getting savvy to the sophomoric posts from the right.
 
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As a Democrat herself, she's got a lot going for her in this. She's got a Dem Gov, and Dem US DOJ both of these could cover her flanks if she decides to really fight.


The governor has asked for her to resign...as has many of the newspapers in the state.
 
The folks who "cannot see" that Carpenter is being slippery are the very same people that have been apologists for the real bad guys from the get go.

These are the snakes in our grass.

LoL


Kane is a snake and she has nothing. The email excuse is another example of Kane being an idiot. Kane wants to attack Rs but she can't release the emails without making her fellow Dems look bad. She has nothing. She is the AG and she could have pressed charges against anyone who broke the law. She has nothing.
 
Kane is a snake and she has nothing. The email excuse is another example of Kane being an idiot. Kane wants to attack Rs but she can't release the emails without making her fellow Dems look bad. She has nothing. She is the AG and she could have pressed charges against anyone who broke the law. She has nothing.

What I want to know:

Are you hissing or lisping?
 
Kane is a snake and she has nothing. The email excuse is another example of Kane being an idiot. Kane wants to attack Rs but she can't release the emails without making her fellow Dems look bad. She has nothing. She is the AG and she could have pressed charges against anyone who broke the law. She has nothing.

Ya...whatever you say pal....Kane has nothing....except for the 20 MILLION OAG emails that fina/corbett and their corrupt pals tried to delete before Kane took office. Fina and co. changed the email retention policy from 5 years to 6 months.....nothing to see here.....if those emails weren't incriminating in some way then they wouldn't have gone through so much trouble to try and make them disappear.

If he had nothing to fear Fina never would have had his judge buddy issue a gag order preventing Kane from mentioning Fina's connection to porngate and the emails Fina was responsible for.

Porngate is just the tip of the iceberg for fina....during his tenor in the OAG he has the following things to worry about: abuse of the law/bungling of blingsting, bonusgate, computergate, Ramaley, Deweese, Stetler, DeNaples GJ leaks, JS GJ leaks, and footdragging during JS investigation until after 2010 gov election. It has also been alleged that Fina destroyed witness and proffer notes for the Steve Stetler/Computergate trial.

During computergate fina hypocritically charged legislators and staff with theft of service, yet he was doing the very same thing via porngate....will he walk free of these charges? We'll have to wait and see.

Fina left a tsunami of legal and prosecutorial abuse after he jumped ship from the OAG and ran off to the philly DA's office when Kane got elected.

During their tenure at the PA OAG Corbett and Fina were motivated by power and politics, not the law ...which will help you understand their actions. Fina and Corbett got their convictions at the price of justice...now it's time for justice to be served.
 
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Ya...whatever you say pal....Kane has nothing....except for the 20 MILLION OAG emails that fina/corbett and their corrupt pals tried to delete before Kane took office. Fina and co. changed the email retention policy from 5 years to 6 months.....nothing to see here.....if those emails weren't incriminating in some way then they wouldn't have gone through so much trouble to try and make them disappear.

If he had nothing to fear Fina never would have had his judge buddy issue a gag order preventing Kane from mentioning Fina's connection to porngate and the emails Fina was responsible for.

Porngate is just the tip of the iceberg for fina....during his tenor in the OAG he has the following things to worry about: abuse of the law/bungling of blingsting, bonusgate, computergate, Ramaley, Deweese, Stetler, DeNaples GJ leaks, JS GJ leaks, and footdragging during JS investigation until after 2010 gov election. It has also been alleged that Fina destroyed witness and proffer notes for the Steve Stetler/Computergate trial.

During computergate fina hypocritically charged legislators and staff with theft of service, yet he was doing the very same thing via porngate....will he walk free of these charges? We'll have to wait and see.

Fina left a tsunami of legal and prosecutorial abuse after he jumped ship from the OAG and ran off to the philly DA's office when Kane got elected.

During their tenure at the PA OAG Corbett and Fina were motivated by power and politics, not the law ...which will help you understand their actions. Fina and Corbett got their convictions at the price of justice...now it's time for justice to be served.


She is the AG. She had the emails all along. If she had anything she could have released them. The judge even said she does not need his permission to release them.
 
MY BAD....I said Asher in my original post. I was mistaken, it was Leroy Zimmerman that Ed Meese personally got off the indictment list.

http://www.yardbird.com/the_magic_moment_six_decades_of_governors_AGs_and_PA_GOP_part_2.htm

Sorry.

Here is another article from LZ's and RA's "bag of tricks". West is a close associate of LZ and the U.S. Attorney who indicted R. Budd Dwyer (Muir was the Judge). See link below:

Bailey Accuses Pair Of Failing To Prosecute Auditor General Accuses 2 Of Failing To Prosecute Cases
 
It amazes me that some people will actually be disappointed if she reveals that some of politicians and judges are even scummier than we ever imagined.

Isn't that a good thing?
 
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