Judge John H. Foradora of Jefferson County assigned to Sandusky PCRA case
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I think it is good. He is relatively young at 50. He ran in the Democratic primary of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in 2015, but was not one of the top 3 vote getters. I saw him in the Democratic debate and he seemed reasonable to me. He is from rural Jefferson county which I believe is a predominately Republican county. I hope he can be objective in his new assigment.
do you think there is anything to the timing of the Jeffrey Sandusky thing, and Jerry getting a judge assigned to his case? Doesn't Jeffrey relate back to things in 2013, I don't know how these things work, but why now on Jeffrey?
I think the timing is entirely coincidental. It has been 3 month since Cleland recused himself and past time for a new judge to be assigned. From what I gather, police were only notified of the Jeff Sandusky texts in November and his arrest was the result of their investigation into the texts.
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This caught my eye...
Judge John H. Foradora has been turning conventional wisdom on its head since he was first elected to the bench. Judge Foradora has always taken on big challenges, has never shied away from the tough cases. And he isn’t shying away from what it takes to clean up the PA State Supreme Court.
Will be interesting to follow some of his cases and how he rules to see if he is true to his word
Prior to judgeship, Foradora was the public defender in a neighboring county. When he was elected many people thought he'd be a bit of a softie when it came to rulings and sentences. His rulings haven't slanted too much one way or the other but when it comes to sentencing he leans to the harsher side. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad but he drops the hammer much more than anyone expected. I doubt any of that gives insight into how he may rule regarding Sandusky however.
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I would hope a judge would give fair sentences, not soft or harsh. But that's just me.
Objective as in only agrees with you!!!
As soon as he slams the door shut on the sandusky appeal he will then be considered just another corrupt judge by the Jerry lovers.
All I have ever wanted was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I thought we may have gotten to truth in part of the story, then that criminal, Jake Corman, cut a deal to slam that door shut. Of course, $60,000,000 was kept/ stolen at the end of the day.
Time's yours.
The Corman thing is what proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that some really important people are involved in all of what went down. There was zero reason for him to settle otherwise.
Corman is a low-functioning lush - - - never will be confused with a mastermind (or even an evil genius).........
However, clearly he IS one of THE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENTS in this whole fiasco - and that has been clear (to me anyway) for five f$cking years
Despite being a dolt, He IS one of the largest impediments, because:
The folks pulling Jakey's strings (who, of course, are the folks responsible for placing Jakey in the control booth in the PA Senate) have used him time and again to put the kibosh on things
They have for five years - they have done so consistently - they continue to do so today - and they will continue to do so into the foreseeable future
SenateDon probably just had her Spidey Senses activate - - and will be along shortly to defend the "White Knight"
He sued to keep the money in the state. That was the only basis for standing. He ended up getting the remaining sanctions lifted, and kept the money in the state.
He could have done no more if he pursued all the way to trial. In fact, the NCAA would not likely have lifted the sanctions if it was pushed to trial, as that wasn't the reason for the case.
At the very least, going to trial would have kept the sanctions going until the trial was over. Why would you have wanted that?
Hi Towny,
My definition of objective means being able to make rulings without bias based on the facts of the case. I would prefer not having a judge who already has a preconceived view of the facts and how the case should proceed. Examples of judges who I question their objectivity inclde Judge Gavin, Judge Hoover, and Judge Feudale.
Speaking of which, how do you like the chances of Penn State's appeal against the verdict in your brother-in-law's whistle blower lawsuit? I believe that Penn State has made a very strong case that Judge Gavin was biased, that he didn't know the law of 2001 in regard to mandatory reporters, and make a huge mistake in moving forward before the criminal case against Curley, Spanier, and Schultz had been resolved. I also think the award will be substantially reduced.
I look forward to Curley, Spanier, and Schultz finally being exonerated. The state doesn't have a case and they know they don't have a case. The state never should have charged them in the first place. Their lives on been put on hold for 5 years and it is way past the time for them to be able to move on with their lives without these ridiculous charges hanging over their head.
Don't get your hopes up for the door to be slamed shut on Sandusky's PCRA appeal anytime soon. The 34 issues identified in his PCRA are not specious and have merit. IMO, the ultimate decision of if Sandusky gets a new trial will not be decided until 2018 at the earliest.
Nope, he'll probably be in the consideration for a higher position in the hierarchy of the judicial system with some party support. Looks like he got beat down pretty good for the supreme court positions. Gotta have the party support.
Ask Covey that question. She read enough emails that only she was allowed to see that must have told her something. She clearly did not want the case to be settled. And it wasn't because she was a fan of the NCAA.
We vote for Supreme court here. So it's largely based on party affiliation & which party has bigger turnout that year. Or, name recognition, good or bad.
She clearly did not want the case to be settled. But once it was, she affirmed the settlement. Once the NCAA capitulated as is it did, there was no choice.
Does your username @coveydidnt have anything to do with Judge Covey? I get the impression that you might not have been her biggest supporter in her campaign for being Pa. Supreme Court Justice.
And you wonder why people think you're an agendized, Astro-turfing fool?
Oh Good Grief......... You do keep setting the "stupid bar" to greater and greater levels
It most certainly wasn't the NCAA's "capitulation" that made the continued prosecution of the Suit untenable - - - it was Jake's (not once, not twice, but three times) efforts to terminate the Suit, that made further prosecution untenable.
Good Freaking Grief
Being the son-in-law, since 1968, of a very prominent labor organizer for 542 Operating Engineers I’m pretty sure I understand the way the political system works in the state and on the national stage. Thanks for giving me the refresher on PA politics.
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When Corman filed that suit, he probably didn't realize the various directions it could go. Once it started to go in a direction that made some people nervous, he all of a sudden started talking about being open to some kind of settlement. Before that, he gave no inclination that any kind of settlement would be acceptable. Clearly, someone got to him.
Remember Corman buckled right after the NCAA attorneys started asking about his role on The Second Mile.
That's what I remembered. When the Second Mile door was being knocked on, he changed his tune.
Odd. He had to know that eventually TSM was going to get looked at.
Odd. He had to know that eventually TSM was going to get looked at.
I was privledged to walk with Franco and Dana Harris and Operating Engineers Local 66 in support of Judge Anne Covey's 2015 campaign for PA. Supreme Court Justice at the 2015 Pittsburgh Labor Day parade.
If I didn't know better I'd think you only opposed judges that were "unfair" or liars.I was privledged to walk with Franco and Dana Harris and Operating Engineers Local 66 in support of Judge Anne Covey's 2015 campaign for PA. Supreme Court Justice at the 2015 Pittsburgh Labor Day parade.
He didnt even have to take it all the way to trial. Covey was about to release 400+ emails between the psu bot (aka Cormans political benefactors) and the NCAA. If Corman would have waited for those emails to be released (so some truth could be exposed) it would have decimated the NCAA and he would have had a much stronger negotiating position. But nope, he settled to save the bacon of his benefactors then tried to paint himself a hero. He's Despicable.
Go read his deposition - when he was deposed by the NCAA
Even just by reading his responses - it's clear that he was wetting his pants
Q. Okay. So you were a board member of 05:45 7 the Second Mile from 2008 to sometime in 2012? 05:45 8 A. I think that's accurate. Somewhere 05:45 9 in that area. 05:45 10 Q. Give or take? 05:45 11 A. Yeah. 05:45 12 Q. Okay. And when the grand jury 05:45 13 presentment came out, did you know anything 05:45 14 about the allegations? 05:45 15 A. I mean, nothing to do with -- well, 05:45 16 it was in the Patriot News. So that story 05:45 17 about Jerry Sandusky was there. I don't 05:45 18 know -- the whole Penn State component was a 05:45 19 surprise. 05:45 20 Q. Okay. 05:45 21 A. And the whole multiple victim was a 05:45 22 surprise. 05:45 23 Q. Okay. 05:45 24 A. We had been informed, I think, 05:45 25 through our leadership to Second Mile that there was this investigation going on. So, 05:45 2 therefore, they took steps -- this happened all 05:45 3 before I got there. They took steps to move 05:46 4 Mr. Sandusky out the population at that point 05:46 5 in time. 05:46 6 So we were aware there was an 05:46 7 investigation going on. We didn't realize 05:46 8 anywhere the depth of it. 05:46 9 Q. So the Second Mile knew about 05:46 10 allegations of Jerry Sandusky molesting 05:46 11 children prior to your arrival in 2008? 05:46 12 A. Before my first board meeting, the 05:46 13 head of the Second Mile, Mr. Raykovitz, came to 05:46 14 me to inform me that this matter was going on, 05:46 15 that there was investigation. To what level, 05:46 16 we don't know and didn't know, but just that 05:46 17 there was investigation into possible sexual 05:46 18 assault by Mr. Sandusky, and that the steps 05:46 19 they had taken to deal with that. 05:46 20 Q. Okay. And what steps had they taken? 05:46 21 A. Again, I think to remove Mr. Sandusky 05:46 22 from the population of anyone at the Second 05:47 23 Mile. 05:47 24 At that time, he still attended 05:47 25 a little bit of the fundraising kind of thing,but he did not participate in any of the 05:47 2 activities with the kids, so he would not have 05:47 3 any interaction with the kids. 05:47 4 Q. Did you review the steps that had 05:47 5 been taken in your capacity as a board member 05:47 6 and deem them sufficient? 05:47 7 A. Uh-hum. 05:47 8 Q. Yes? 05:47 9 A. Yes. 05:47 10 Q. Okay. 05:47 11 A. Sorry. 05:47 12 Q. You didn't think anything else needed 05:47 13 to be done? 05:47 14 A. Well, again, we were flying in the 05:47 15 dark here somewhat. But clearly, the fact that 05:47 16 we knew that there was an investigation going 05:47 17 on was concerning, and so that's why we wanted 05:47 18 to make sure he was not involved with any of 05:47 19 the participants in the camp or in the program, 05:47 20 and then we, you know, waited for -- to hear 05:47 21 more from -- from the investigation. 05:47 22 Q. You said there was an investigation 05:47 23 when you arrived in 2008. Investigation by 05:47 24 whom? 05:47 25 A. I -- I believe it was the Attorney General's Office at that point already. 05:47 2 And I think, and I could be 05:47 3 wrong here, that the information that they were 05:47 4 getting, the board leadership at the Second 05:47 5 Mile, was through Mr. Sandusky's attorney. We 05:48 6 weren't being informed by prosecutors or 05:48 7 anything of that nature. We were -- that 05:48 8 Mr. Sandusky's attorney informed us of this 05:48 9 investigation, so we took -- they took what 05:48 10 they thought was the proper steps. 05:48 11 Q. At any time during your tenure on the 05:48 12 Second Mile board, did you consider that the 05:48 13 Second Mile ought to conduct some sort of 05:48 14 investigation into Jerry Sandusky? 05:48 15 A. We were waiting for obviously the 05:48 16 investigation to figure that the -- obviously, 05:48 17 law enforcement had more resources ability to 05:48 18 deal with it than we did. Like any other 05:48 19 investigation, you wait to see what the results 05:48 20 are and make the decisions from there. 05:48 21 Q. Looking back at your tenure on Second 05:48 22 Mile with perfect hindsight, do you wish you 05:48 23 did anything different as a director? 05:48 24 A. Gee, I don't know, not off the top of 05:48 25 my head, no.
https://ps4rs.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/corman-deposition-cormanvncaa-2014.pdf
https://ps4rs.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/corman-deposition-cormanvncaa-2014.pdf
Foradora, born in DuBois in 1966. Graduated to Juniata (BA History/Polisci) and Notre Dame Law School. In private practice partnership before becoming a judge. Prior to that an assistant public defender and clerked in Elk-Sullivan Judicial District.
He is a hunter, in numerous conservation organizations and life member of the NRA. Active Sons of Italy.
Except for law school, a lot of local ties.
He is a hunter, in numerous conservation organizations and life member of the NRA. Active Sons of Italy.
Except for law school, a lot of local ties.
I was privledged to walk with Franco and Dana Harris and Operating Engineers Local 66 in support of Judge Anne Covey's 2015 campaign for PA. Supreme Court Justice at the 2015 Pittsburgh Labor Day parade.
Local 66 is the Pittsburg Local, I believe the local covers east to State Collage. I was very disappointed to see Judge Covey not get the votes necessary for the open seat. My pop-in-law passed away four years ago. The membership that aligned with him called him either “The Bull” or “The Godfather”. Those that didn’t, called him a bastard or a c..ksucker, but a very fair and reasonable one.
I take it your a big Keith Eckel fan.
TY PennSt8er.
I didn't want to take the time to go "JimmyW" this morning, and dig that stuff back up.
Thanks for posting/sharing..........good stuff.
Also:
When they get into the "financial stuff", that is also very interesting (another part of the Deposition)
And, If you overlap the time frames - - - - this Depo, coinciding with Corman's statements that "This ends it for us" (ie, that he - Corman - was giving up any further prosecution of the lawsuit) - - - - - which Covey forced to the next step anyway - DESPITE Corman's OBJECTIONS - back in late 2014.
...........VERY ILLUSTRATIVE.
VERY
Jake? Azzhole.....and his placement in this affair is very significant.
Let this sink in for a moment:
Of all the entities involved in this fiasco:
TomCorbett / LindaKelly / TomNoonan / LynnAbraham / LouisFreeh / ThePSUBOT / KathyKane / FinaMcGettiganBeemer ....... etc etc.
Even in a brief passing action - - - - The NCAA, THE FREAKING NCAA, made more of an effort to look at the 2nd Mile than all the rest of them.
Bewildering.
The nhT COr
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