Just as coverage ended they showed Franklin's record

[Delcolion915]

I've seen a ton of comments this year about how bad our WR room is. Here are the Rivals ratings for WRs currently on the roster:

5* Julian Fleming
4* Tyseer Denmark
4* Karen Saunders
4* Anthony Ivey
4* Mehki Flowers
3* Liam Clifford
3* Omari Evans
3* Trey Wallace
3* Tyler Johnson
3* Josiah Brown

There are a few others on the roster but I got tired of looking. Stars don't mean everything obviously, but I guarantee that there are at least a few D1 receivers there.

Whatever the WR issue is, the common denominator is coaching. Our coaches recruited every single one of them or brought them in as a transfer and had at least a full year or more to coach them. The biggest head scratcher is that Franklin was a wide receivers coach at 4 different colleges and in the NFL so you would think he has some kind of clue.

Every practice all I see are shadow drills of 3 yard digs. I don't see a single drill on contested catches, slot fades, go routes, you know....things that actual D1 offenses actually DO

And that lineup is an indictment of Hagans if I ever saw one. Not one actual Power 4 receiver on roster and the starters were 3 three stars who can't get open, aren't physically strong enough to play, and quit on routes and can't fight for the football...the five star was a glorified blocker who couldn't run OR catch.

 

[WaffleShopper]

I hear Karen Saunders is always b*tching about not getting the ball :>)

They don't play him because he catches like a girl

 

[Delcolion915]

I hear Karen Saunders is always b*tching about not getting the ball :>)

Should have been shown the door last year when they shipped KLS out. They should have blown it up last year and not only did they fail that, they actually got WORSE

 

[BucksLion52]

Every practice all I see are shadow drills of 3 yard digs. I don't see a single drill on contested catches, slot fades, go routes, you know....things that actual D1 offenses actually DO

And that lineup is an indictment of Hagans if I ever saw one. Not one actual Power 4 receiver on roster and the starters were 3 three stars who can't get open, aren't physically strong enough to play, and quit on routes and can't fight for the football...the five star was a glorified blocker who couldn't run OR catch.

Hagens was hired in 23, Taylor Stubblefield was a desaster, Like John Scott on the DL not very good recruiters. That why he was fired.
Turnover in the WR coaching position is reflected in recruiting. We have missed on so many targets in our recruiting footprint it's amazing we got as far as we did. Now with the portal and NIL $$$ maybe things will change. After a good run with WR's prior the lack of talent on the field is rather shocking. I'm actually more concerned about LB is Kobe goes.

 

[Delcolion915]

Hagens was hired in 23, Taylor Stubblefield was a desaster, Like John Scott on the DL not very good recruiters. That why he was fired.
Turnover in the WR coaching position is reflected in recruiting. We have missed on so many targets in our recruiting footprint it's amazing we got as far as we did. Now with the portal and NIL $$$ maybe things will change. After a good run with WR's prior the lack of talent on the field is rather shocking. I'm actually more concerned about LB is Kobe goes.

At this moment, the NIL is a complete failure for next season: #47 and #71 transfer wrs coming in will not move the needle a single inch. Neither of them are starters next year which is really saying something considering our current room is the worst in all of P4 football.

 

[bdroc]

At this moment, the NIL is a complete failure for next season: #47 and #71 transfer wrs coming in will not move the needle a single inch. Neither of them are starters next year which is really saying something considering our current room is the worst in all of P4 football.

How did Fleming have > 500 yds as the #3 WR at OSU but not good enough for PSU?

 

[NittanyIllinois]

How did Fleming have > 500 yds as the #3 WR at OSU but not good enough for PSU?

Because despite what some people on this board like to say, Brian Hartline actually develops his WRs and isn't just a glorified recruiter. Plus they have an offense that features the WR and the vertical passing game.

We have had several highly-ranked WRs not materialize. That's true for many programs.

Not all Hartline's recruits materialize, because it's not mathematically possible. But you'll never see a Hartline-coached WR unit not have at least 3 deadly weapons that put up numbers.

It's coaching, plain and simple.

 

[Ski]

1-18 against top 5 opponents. I think it's the worst in NCAA history. Good season but that was a slap in the face. What can you say?

James Franklin one-upped his awful big-game reputation in Penn State heartbreaker​

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And as one X user pointed out, Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman “has more wins against top 5 teams in the last 8 days than James Franklin has in his entire time at Penn State.”

 

[LandoComando]

players are taking this way better than the fans.

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Because all players understand no player is perfect
Drew made a mistake (several) as did almost everyone else yesterday--it's just more obvious when he does.

 

[Delcolion915]

How did Fleming have > 500 yds as the #3 WR at OSU but not good enough for PSU?

Hagans.

Next question?

 

[voltz99]

Because despite what some people on this board like to say, Brian Hartline actually develops his WRs and isn't just a glorified recruiter. Plus they have an offense that features the WR and the vertical passing game.

We have had several highly-ranked WRs not materialize. That's true for many programs.

Not all Hartline's recruits materialize, because it's not mathematically possible. But you'll never see a Hartline-coached WR unit not have at least 3 deadly weapons that put up numbers.

It's coaching, plain and simple.

Not really. He had THRE receivers with more than 13 catches this year. Only 4 with more than 5.

Those four included three five stars and a borderline five star. None of their WRs outplayed their ranking.

 

[voltz99]

Maybe Al Golden was not such a bad choice after all?

How many big games did he win?

Schiano and rhule have zero top 10 wins.

 

[ryoder1]

I'll tell you what it's worth. Nothing to less than nothing.

Look at the way many of those games played out. How many late leads were pissed away in those games. How many times was the team unable to put together a game winning drive. How many points were left on the field due to bad plays and bad execution. It's a hallmark of Franklin's tenure here. Soft, weak, and undisciplined. And last night was just another example.

This year Franklin got lucky and ended up with the 2 easiest opponents to make the playoffs to make the semifinals. It will be the pinnacle of his career.

The defense was soft in the 2nd half against a depleted O-Line. We get tired and ND gets stronger. Why?? And this is not the first time for that.

 

[voltz99]

I've seen a ton of comments this year about how bad our WR room is. Here are the Rivals ratings for WRs currently on the roster:

5* Julian Fleming
4* Tyseer Denmark
4* Kaden Saunders
4* Anthony Ivey
4* Mehki Flowers
3* Liam Clifford
3* Omari Evans
3* Trey Wallace
3* Tyler Johnson
3* Josiah Brown

There are a few others on the roster but I got tired of looking. Stars don't mean everything obviously, but I guarantee that there are at least a few D1 receivers there.

Whatever the WR issue is, the common denominator is coaching. Our coaches recruited every single one of them or brought them in as a transfer and had at least a full year or more to coach them. The biggest head scratcher is that Franklin was a wide receivers coach at 4 different colleges and in the NFL so you would think he has some kind of clue.

Fleming was an OSU bust. Probably would be their #5 receiver this year. OSU only had 4 receivers with more than 5 catches.

Denmark is a true freshman. The bottom half of any receiver room pretty much does nothing.

 

[bdroc]

Not accurate and not the worst.

Psu beat two top 10 teams(coaches poll, top 11 in the ap) the last two weeks. I guess they don't count.

Matt rhule and schiano have zero.

1-18 is what the graphic said and I think it's accurate. I think it was 3rd worst.

SMU was outside the top 10. Boise was 8th. Neither were top 5.

 

[bdroc]

Hagans.

Next question?

We haven't developed WRs and we haven't recruited top WRs. Not a good combo.

 

[voltz99]

1-18 against top 5 opponents. I think it's the worst in NCAA history. Good season but that was a slap in the face. What can you say?

False. Most coaches have zero. Schiano, rhule and O'Brien have zero for their careers. Don't even have a top 10 win unless you want to count a bc win over fsu. Pre season rankings nare worthless. Fsu finished unranked.

The top 5 were 55-5 this year during the regular season and 4 of the losses were to other top teams.

Ps. Psu was the favorite 0 times in those losses.

 

[voltz99]

1-18 is what the graphic said and I think it's accurate. I think it was 3rd worst.

SMU was outside the top 10. Boise was 8th. Neither were top 5.

No. Smu was 10th in the coaches poll and ESPN. 11th in the ap.

Franklin is not close to third worst. Rhule and schiano have zero for their careers. O'Brien probably has zero.

The top 5 were 55-5 this year during the regular season. That is about average. The 5 losses are usually to other top teams. Only 5 coaches in ncaa had a win vs top 5 this year during the regular season.

 

[scrivener]

False. Most coaches have zero. Schiano and rhule have zero for their careers.

I think the top 5 were 56-4 this year during the regular season and the 4 losses were to other top teams.

Ps. Psu was the favorite 0 times in those losses.

The line moved in our favor last night before kickoff