Just as coverage ended they showed Franklin's record

[Delcolion915]

I've seen a ton of comments this year about how bad our WR room is. Here are the Rivals ratings for WRs currently on the roster:

5* Julian Fleming
4* Tyseer Denmark
4* Karen Saunders
4* Anthony Ivey
4* Mehki Flowers
3* Liam Clifford
3* Omari Evans
3* Trey Wallace
3* Tyler Johnson
3* Josiah Brown

There are a few others on the roster but I got tired of looking. Stars don't mean everything obviously, but I guarantee that there are at least a few D1 receivers there.

Whatever the WR issue is, the common denominator is coaching. Our coaches recruited every single one of them or brought them in as a transfer and had at least a full year or more to coach them. The biggest head scratcher is that Franklin was a wide receivers coach at 4 different colleges and in the NFL so you would think he has some kind of clue.

Every practice all I see are shadow drills of 3 yard digs. I don't see a single drill on contested catches, slot fades, go routes, you know....things that actual D1 offenses actually DO

And that lineup is an indictment of Hagans if I ever saw one. Not one actual Power 4 receiver on roster and the starters were 3 three stars who can't get open, aren't physically strong enough to play, and quit on routes and can't fight for the football...the five star was a glorified blocker who couldn't run OR catch.

 

[WaffleShopper]

I hear Karen Saunders is always b*tching about not getting the ball :>)

They don't play him because he catches like a girl

 

[Delcolion915]

I hear Karen Saunders is always b*tching about not getting the ball :>)

Should have been shown the door last year when they shipped KLS out. They should have blown it up last year and not only did they fail that, they actually got WORSE

 

[BucksLion52]

Every practice all I see are shadow drills of 3 yard digs. I don't see a single drill on contested catches, slot fades, go routes, you know....things that actual D1 offenses actually DO

And that lineup is an indictment of Hagans if I ever saw one. Not one actual Power 4 receiver on roster and the starters were 3 three stars who can't get open, aren't physically strong enough to play, and quit on routes and can't fight for the football...the five star was a glorified blocker who couldn't run OR catch.

Hagens was hired in 23, Taylor Stubblefield was a desaster, Like John Scott on the DL not very good recruiters. That why he was fired.
Turnover in the WR coaching position is reflected in recruiting. We have missed on so many targets in our recruiting footprint it's amazing we got as far as we did. Now with the portal and NIL $$$ maybe things will change. After a good run with WR's prior the lack of talent on the field is rather shocking. I'm actually more concerned about LB is Kobe goes.

 

[Delcolion915]

Hagens was hired in 23, Taylor Stubblefield was a desaster, Like John Scott on the DL not very good recruiters. That why he was fired.
Turnover in the WR coaching position is reflected in recruiting. We have missed on so many targets in our recruiting footprint it's amazing we got as far as we did. Now with the portal and NIL $$$ maybe things will change. After a good run with WR's prior the lack of talent on the field is rather shocking. I'm actually more concerned about LB is Kobe goes.

At this moment, the NIL is a complete failure for next season: #47 and #71 transfer wrs coming in will not move the needle a single inch. Neither of them are starters next year which is really saying something considering our current room is the worst in all of P4 football.

 

[bdroc]

At this moment, the NIL is a complete failure for next season: #47 and #71 transfer wrs coming in will not move the needle a single inch. Neither of them are starters next year which is really saying something considering our current room is the worst in all of P4 football.

How did Fleming have > 500 yds as the #3 WR at OSU but not good enough for PSU?

 

[NittanyIllinois]

How did Fleming have > 500 yds as the #3 WR at OSU but not good enough for PSU?

Because despite what some people on this board like to say, Brian Hartline actually develops his WRs and isn't just a glorified recruiter. Plus they have an offense that features the WR and the vertical passing game.

We have had several highly-ranked WRs not materialize. That's true for many programs.

Not all Hartline's recruits materialize, because it's not mathematically possible. But you'll never see a Hartline-coached WR unit not have at least 3 deadly weapons that put up numbers.

It's coaching, plain and simple.

 

[Ski]

1-18 against top 5 opponents. I think it's the worst in NCAA history. Good season but that was a slap in the face. What can you say?

James Franklin one-upped his awful big-game reputation in Penn State heartbreaker​

............
And as one X user pointed out, Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman “has more wins against top 5 teams in the last 8 days than James Franklin has in his entire time at Penn State.”

 

[LandoComando]

players are taking this way better than the fans.

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Because all players understand no player is perfect
Drew made a mistake (several) as did almost everyone else yesterday--it's just more obvious when he does.

 

[Delcolion915]

How did Fleming have > 500 yds as the #3 WR at OSU but not good enough for PSU?

Hagans.

Next question?

 

[voltz99]

Because despite what some people on this board like to say, Brian Hartline actually develops his WRs and isn't just a glorified recruiter. Plus they have an offense that features the WR and the vertical passing game.

We have had several highly-ranked WRs not materialize. That's true for many programs.

Not all Hartline's recruits materialize, because it's not mathematically possible. But you'll never see a Hartline-coached WR unit not have at least 3 deadly weapons that put up numbers.

It's coaching, plain and simple.

Not really. He had THRE receivers with more than 13 catches this year. Only 4 with more than 5.

Those four included three five stars and a borderline five star. None of their WRs outplayed their ranking.

 

[voltz99]

Maybe Al Golden was not such a bad choice after all?

How many big games did he win?

Schiano and rhule have zero top 10 wins.

 

[ryoder1]

I'll tell you what it's worth. Nothing to less than nothing.

Look at the way many of those games played out. How many late leads were pissed away in those games. How many times was the team unable to put together a game winning drive. How many points were left on the field due to bad plays and bad execution. It's a hallmark of Franklin's tenure here. Soft, weak, and undisciplined. And last night was just another example.

This year Franklin got lucky and ended up with the 2 easiest opponents to make the playoffs to make the semifinals. It will be the pinnacle of his career.

The defense was soft in the 2nd half against a depleted O-Line. We get tired and ND gets stronger. Why?? And this is not the first time for that.

 

[voltz99]

I've seen a ton of comments this year about how bad our WR room is. Here are the Rivals ratings for WRs currently on the roster:

5* Julian Fleming
4* Tyseer Denmark
4* Kaden Saunders
4* Anthony Ivey
4* Mehki Flowers
3* Liam Clifford
3* Omari Evans
3* Trey Wallace
3* Tyler Johnson
3* Josiah Brown

There are a few others on the roster but I got tired of looking. Stars don't mean everything obviously, but I guarantee that there are at least a few D1 receivers there.

Whatever the WR issue is, the common denominator is coaching. Our coaches recruited every single one of them or brought them in as a transfer and had at least a full year or more to coach them. The biggest head scratcher is that Franklin was a wide receivers coach at 4 different colleges and in the NFL so you would think he has some kind of clue.

Fleming was an OSU bust. Probably would be their #5 receiver this year. OSU only had 4 receivers with more than 5 catches.

Denmark is a true freshman. The bottom half of any receiver room pretty much does nothing.

 

[bdroc]

Not accurate and not the worst.

Psu beat two top 10 teams(coaches poll, top 11 in the ap) the last two weeks. I guess they don't count.

Matt rhule and schiano have zero.

1-18 is what the graphic said and I think it's accurate. I think it was 3rd worst.

SMU was outside the top 10. Boise was 8th. Neither were top 5.

 

[bdroc]

Hagans.

Next question?

We haven't developed WRs and we haven't recruited top WRs. Not a good combo.

 

[voltz99]

1-18 against top 5 opponents. I think it's the worst in NCAA history. Good season but that was a slap in the face. What can you say?

False. Most coaches have zero. Schiano, rhule and O'Brien have zero for their careers. Don't even have a top 10 win unless you want to count a bc win over fsu. Pre season rankings nare worthless. Fsu finished unranked.

The top 5 were 55-5 this year during the regular season and 4 of the losses were to other top teams.

Ps. Psu was the favorite 0 times in those losses.

 

[voltz99]

1-18 is what the graphic said and I think it's accurate. I think it was 3rd worst.

SMU was outside the top 10. Boise was 8th. Neither were top 5.

No. Smu was 10th in the coaches poll and ESPN. 11th in the ap.

Franklin is not close to third worst. Rhule and schiano have zero for their careers. O'Brien probably has zero.

The top 5 were 55-5 this year during the regular season. That is about average. The 5 losses are usually to other top teams. Only 5 coaches in ncaa had a win vs top 5 this year during the regular season.

 

[scrivener]

False. Most coaches have zero. Schiano and rhule have zero for their careers.

I think the top 5 were 56-4 this year during the regular season and the 4 losses were to other top teams.

Ps. Psu was the favorite 0 times in those losses.

The line moved in our favor last night before kickoff

 

[Waltwam]

I'll go further. There are nearly 26 decisions I counted in this game where any Joe Schmoe average daily fan would have made a better coaching decision than James Franklin did. Is he going to fire his OC again this year? His DC? He should fall on his sword and resign. I'm not overreacting and I'm not kidding. He had a clearly better team against a demonstrably tired and beat up ND team due to it's matchup with Georgia last week and he didn't capitalize on it in any way. My best friend HS football coach called out every misstep he made throughout the game and it was eye-opening. He's an above average recruiter and a wanna be CEO of the football program but he doesn't fit our culture or our expectations and he needs to leave. Period, end of story!

James Franklin has created quite a feeder program for the NFL but how does that represent the culture of PSU? Seriously, most of you need to get a set.

I wonder how many of those games he would have won with a great QB? Or a real winner? Like say a John Shaffer?

 

[baircub1!]

1-18 against top 5 opponents. I think it's the worst in NCAA history. Good season but that was a slap in the face. What can you say?

Media needs something to chew on...a Natty..like what has happened with both Day and Harbaugh while at Michigan..keeps the wolves away...

 

[AWS1022]

I'll go further. There are nearly 26 decisions I counted in this game where any Joe Schmoe average daily fan would have made a better coaching decision than James Franklin did. Is he going to fire his OC again this year? His DC? He should fall on his sword and resign. I'm not overreacting and I'm not kidding. He had a clearly better team against a demonstrably tired and beat up ND team due to it's matchup with Georgia last week and he didn't capitalize on it in any way. My best friend HS football coach called out every misstep he made throughout the game and it was eye-opening. He's an above average recruiter and a wanna be CEO of the football program but he doesn't fit our culture or our expectations and he needs to leave. Period, end of story!

James Franklin has created quite a feeder program for the NFL but how does that represent the culture of PSU? Seriously, most of you need to get a set.

A high school football coach? Huh…how did Penn State miss him in their coaching search?

 

[manilion]

Franklin is overrated. Feasts on patsy’s with an occasional ranked 25 ish win. Loses all games against to 20 talent. Boise and SMU weren’t truly top 25 teams.

 

[EPC FAN]

I'm sorry that most of you struggle with what is plainly obvious. This is not a Jim Harbaugh equivalent. As a matter of fact, there is no equivalent to the record failure James Franklin has demonstrated on the big stage. It's historic. It's almost as if he could have done the complete opposite of all his game prep in every top 5 matchup in his entire coaching career and be better off.....that is how bad this record is (see previous comment.... HISTORIC!). You can't hide from it, you can't equivalize it, you can't diminish it.....he simply stinks in big games and there's no getting around it. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have nearly 40 years of Paterno which presented a complete opposite paradigm. That is what really bugs me...........coaches change but the core of a program.....it's culture should always remain the same. This more than any other fact is why James Franklin has failed all of us. I hope some of you start realizing that.

Paterno lost 3 games OR MORE, 25 times.

 

[manilion]

Paterno lost 3 games OR MORE, 25 times.

But you never counted Paterno out in a big game. No one on this board can honestly say they are remotely confident in PS winning when a tough game is on the schedule. Not even against borderline top 25 teams.

 

[Mufasa94]

Franklin is overrated. Feasts on patsy’s with an occasional ranked 25 ish win. Loses all games against to 20 talent. Boise and SMU weren’t truly top 25 teams.

If Boise and SMU weren’t top 25 teams, name the “truly top 25 teams” from this past season. Can’t wait to see this list of ignorance.

You should have stuck to the bad record vs. top 5 teams idea that others love to repeat.

Btw, Franklin was 3-0 this past season against top 20 teams that weren’t good enough to be top 5 types.

 

[AWS1022]

But you never counted Paterno out in a big game. No one on this board can honestly say they are remotely confident in PS winning when a tough game is on the schedule. Not even against borderline top 25 teams.

But we could just do what you do and downgrade any team we beat…so Paterno never really beat good teams, they were just overrated.

 

[manilion]

But we could just do what you do and downgrade any team we beat…so Paterno never really beat good teams, they were just overrated.

Be happy beating the Illinois, SMU types. That’s all you get with Franklin. Franklin was lucky not to have played both Michigan and Indiana or he most likely would have missed the playoffs.

 

[joeaubie21]

Be happy beating the Illinois, SMU types. That’s all you get with Franklin. Franklin was lucky not to have played both Michigan and Indiana or he most likely would have missed the playoffs.

And then you farted.🤡

 

[EPC FAN]

But you never counted Paterno out in a big game. No one on this board can honestly say they are remotely confident in PS winning when a tough game is on the schedule. Not even against borderline top 25 teams.

Listen, I liked JoePa, met him several times, and spoke with him when he recruited a kid who lived across the street. Joe was a master at winning bowl games, where he had weeks to prepare.
Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents.
Despite many wins early in his tenure, Paterno struggled to defeat the best of the best. In his first 10 career games against a top five opponent, Penn State Football compiled a record of just 1-9. His second win against a top five opponent did not come until 1978: his 13th season as the head coach of the Nittany Lions.

Across 46 seasons and 409 total wins, Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents. Eight of those 13 wins came in the 1980s.

His third win against a top five team came in 1981, his 16th season as the head man of Penn State Football.
There is to much revisionist history where JoePa is concerned.

 

[Wallace Breen]

If Boise and SMU weren’t top 25 teams, name the “truly top 25 teams” from this past season. Can’t wait to see this list of ignorance.

You should have stuck to the bad record vs. top 5 teams idea that others love to repeat.

Btw, Franklin was 3-0 this past season against top 20 teams that weren’t good enough to be top 5 types.

Go look at SMU, Boise State and Illinois' resumes. Pretty weak for so-called top 25 teams. SMU and Boise were ranked because of their records, not who they played.

Boise State's resume is a close loss to Oregon early in the year when they were playing like garbage, a win over UNLV who didn't beat a team with a winning record and a win over Washington State which was their crown jewel.

SMU at least had a couple of decent wins, nothing special but at least something. No top 25 wins to speak of. Illinois had nothing. Eight wins against teams that didn't break .500 and one against 7-5.

Not really top 25 material other than record. Our best win on the season was probably 6-6 Minnesota. Look a little further and Franklin's record agaisnt the top ten and the top fifteen isn't much better than it is against the top 5. Most of his wins against so-called top 25 teams didn't finish the season ranked.

 

[Wallace Breen]

Listen, I liked JoePa, met him several times, and spoke with him when he recruited a kid who lived across the street. Joe was a master at winning bowl games, where he had weeks to prepare.
Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents.
Despite many wins early in his tenure, Paterno struggled to defeat the best of the best. In his first 10 career games against a top five opponent, Penn State Football compiled a record of just 1-9. His second win against a top five opponent did not come until 1978: his 13th season as the head coach of the Nittany Lions.

Across 46 seasons and 409 total wins, Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents. Eight of those 13 wins came in the 1980s.

His third win against a top five team came in 1981, his 16th season as the head man of Penn State Football.
There is to much revisionist history where JoePa is concerned.

This is quite comical because the opinion is rather revisionist. You are cherry picking numbers. To match Joe's record against the top five, Franklin would have to coach for at least another 168 years to match Joe's 13 wins at his current pace.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Listen, I liked JoePa, met him several times, and spoke with him when he recruited a kid who lived across the street. Joe was a master at winning bowl games, where he had weeks to prepare.
Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents.
Despite many wins early in his tenure, Paterno struggled to defeat the best of the best. In his first 10 career games against a top five opponent, Penn State Football compiled a record of just 1-9. His second win against a top five opponent did not come until 1978: his 13th season as the head coach of the Nittany Lions.

Across 46 seasons and 409 total wins, Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents. Eight of those 13 wins came in the 1980s.

His third win against a top five team came in 1981, his 16th season as the head man of Penn State Football.
There is to much revisionist history where JoePa is concerned.

His bowl record- most of them in major bowls, the best of the best, says it all - no revisions necessary. In a class all by himself.

 

[ryoder1]

Listen, I liked JoePa, met him several times, and spoke with him when he recruited a kid who lived across the street. Joe was a master at winning bowl games, where he had weeks to prepare.
Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents.
Despite many wins early in his tenure, Paterno struggled to defeat the best of the best. In his first 10 career games against a top five opponent, Penn State Football compiled a record of just 1-9. His second win against a top five opponent did not come until 1978: his 13th season as the head coach of the Nittany Lions.

Across 46 seasons and 409 total wins, Joe Paterno put together a record of 13-33 against top five opponents. Eight of those 13 wins came in the 1980s.

His third win against a top five team came in 1981, his 16th season as the head man of Penn State Football.
There is to much revisionist history where JoePa is concerned.

20 years from now let's see if Franklin even has five top 5 wins.

You need to discount some of Joe's top 5 losses because he was just too old.

Heck at this point I would take two top 5 wins from Franklin.

 

[Mufasa94]

Go look at SMU, Boise State and Illinois' resumes. Pretty weak for so-called top 25 teams. SMU and Boise were ranked because of their records, not who they played....

You selectively only mentioned those three teams, what about the other dozen or so top 25 teams that are just as lacking if you look at their resumes? It is a simple concept, the actual claim was those three teams weren’t top 25, so that poster (or you) should list the 25 teams those teams should be below.

List them or everyone will just know those who support that opinion are just spouting off with a biased opinion.

 

[lowhandicapper]

Hagens was hired in 23, Taylor Stubblefield was a desaster, Like John Scott on the DL not very good recruiters. That why he was fired.
Turnover in the WR coaching position is reflected in recruiting. We have missed on so many targets in our recruiting footprint it's amazing we got as far as we did. Now with the portal and NIL $$$ maybe things will change. After a good run with WR's prior the lack of talent on the field is rather shocking. I'm actually more concerned about LB is Kobe goes.

To this point, the reason we are lacking at LB depth is that Pry, Diaz & Allen were the LB coaches. Not exactly continuity on that positional front from a recruiting standpoint with that amount of turnover in 4 years. Knowles is now our 4th LB coach in 5 years. From a recruit's perspective, it's no different than the previous WR situation. Always dealing with someone new.

 

[AWS1022]

Go look at SMU, Boise State and Illinois' resumes. Pretty weak for so-called top 25 teams. SMU and Boise were ranked because of their records, not who they played.

Boise State's resume is a close loss to Oregon early in the year when they were playing like garbage, a win over UNLV who didn't beat a team with a winning record and a win over Washington State which was their crown jewel.

SMU at least had a couple of decent wins, nothing special but at least something. No top 25 wins to speak of. Illinois had nothing. Eight wins against teams that didn't break .500 and one against 7-5.

Not really top 25 material other than record. Our best win on the season was probably 6-6 Minnesota. Look a little further and Franklin's record agaisnt the top ten and the top fifteen isn't much better than it is against the top 5. Most of his wins against so-called top 25 teams didn't finish the season ranked.

Not quite the juggernauts that WVU, Boston College, Temple, Syracuse, or Army were back in the day.

 

[Wallace Breen]

Not quite the juggernauts that WVU, Boston College, Temple, Syracuse, or Army were back in the day.

WVU, BC and Syracuse frequently fielded teams as good or better than Boise State, Illinois or Boise State this year, or the teams that Franklin usually beats. The problem is Franklin loses to good teams at a shockingly high rate and we aren't just talking top five or top ten. Never mind the fact that we play watered down schedules on an annual basis in the expanded Big Ten.

 

[AWS1022]

WVU, BC and Syracuse frequently fielded teams as good or better than Boise State, Illinois or Boise State this year, or the teams that Franklin usually beats. The problem is Franklin loses to good teams at a shockingly high rate and we aren't just talking top five or top ten. Never mind the fact that we play watered down schedules on an annual basis in the expanded Big Ten.

No they didn’t….they were consistently below average with an occasional average year. And Franklin rarely loses to teams outside of the top ten and pretty much hasn’t in three years….your Franklin hate always makes your arguments ridiculous.