Agreed. Absolutely terrible timing. Catka snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, after wrestling a very technically sound match. Pulling for the Delco kid, but he couldn’t hold it together for 10 more seconds. Feldman is relentless and earned that win.
He got his *ss ridden for two full minutes and then made no effort to ride.
Then we disagree. The only guy with a TD deserves the W, IMO.
Yes we will. You are among the group, of which there are many, who think that wrestling should revolve around neutral wrestling. I like that folkstyle has emphasized 3 position wrestling. We disagree.
I'm not in the camp of revolving around neutral.
I hate to pull the Cael trump card, but getting off bottom is friggin hard at the D1 level. Mat returns are a wrestling skill and preventing your opponent's attempts to score is difficult.
Yeah, that and the Refs need to wear dog-zapper collars for every time they walk in front of the camera.
Of course it's hard to get out from bottom, and it should be.
Not sure I agree. But thus the crux of the issue. The other two positions are equally part of folkstyle wrestling. Catka got an escape and a rideout while Feldman didn’t/couldn’t.
Yes…the 3pt TD totally rewards neutral wrestling over the other two positions…as evidenced by this match
NF4 is still more points than T3, right?
Yeah, I have no issue at all with a guy losing who has the only takedown. No real issue the other way either. I see points made for both that make sense.
Sure, but NF2 isn’t and NF3 isn’t. And we can generally agree that putting someone on their back if harder/more rare than a takedown. So not sure that’s a like for like comparison
Sure. Also RT often rewards top for not scoring. There is no corrrsponding neutral point for not scoring.
But there *is* a corresponding bottom point for an escape. And it’s not like RT points are given out like candy.
Was thinking the exact same thing re: reversal. I think it was the Steen/Howard match (Don’t quote me) that had the reversal/escape and I was thinking “Wait a minute, escapes are worth 1/3 a TD but half a reversal?”
if I remember correctly, the scoring was slightly different the year they hit 170 anyway. Was an extra advancement point available or something along those linesWell I have a side note. It will be interesting to see some actual data analysis on this as the season matures, but it sure seems like major decisions for certain are far more attainable and frequent. In theory we should be seeing the same for tech falls. How many times did we see RBY, or Nick Lee with 10 takedowns or more only to earn a major with a point differential in the low teens? I like what the three point TD has done to both making an 8 point victory easier to attain, but also bringing a TF back within a 'reasonable' range. Anyone with a 7-13 takedown advantage has demonstrated a level of dominance commensurate with earning a TF, especially once you get that disparity over 10 IMO.
I expect several of our more veteran guys in particular really start cranking out the bonus victories. In particular Nagao, SVN, Haines, MM, Carter, Aaron, and hopefully Kerk should all be bonus machines.
Now the relevant question.
Could this make a difference at nationals, in terms of the quest for 170? I think so. Considering a combination of TFs and Pins, I could see those 7 alone deliver 2-3 bonus points each on average. If correct, we are talking some real team bonus contribution.
For absolutely friggin certain, if we break the record, you will see GIA clamoring for an asterisk.
But the GIA faithful can’t be expected to remember that….
