Juwan Johnson already slotted as a top 10 draft pick.
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I am willing to bet any amount here and now that the Packers will NOT draft players with the same surname from the same college on successive picks in the first round of next years draft.
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Where does everyone see McSorley getting drafted? Seems to have a similar skill set to Baker Mayfield noting Mayfield has an inch and about 20 lbs. on TM.
Too early to tell.
Gun to my head, right now I would say 3rd round. Not sure what the QB class looks like next year.
David Sills at #19 is interesting. He was the kid that Lane Kiffen gave a schollie offer to when he was 13 when Lane was at USC. He is from Delaware and his old man is loaded and actually started and paid for a football team for him to play on. Seemed like he may end up another Todd Marinovich with his family history and all. I think he got a shoulder injury and was never was able to hook on as a QB but moved around schools and landed finally at WVU as a receiver and has done really well for himself and seems to be back on track.
Here's to Juwan having an outstanding 2018 season that makes him going in the first round next year something we celebrate and point to as another example of great recruiting and great player development.
And then let's hope Shorter gets the same kind of attention in 3 years for the 2021 draft.
We'll truly be in annual reload mode if all that happens on a regular basis. It's where college football is now wrt defining success and dominance, and we all want PSU to be right in that mix each season.
And then let's hope Shorter gets the same kind of attention in 3 years for the 2021 draft.
We'll truly be in annual reload mode if all that happens on a regular basis. It's where college football is now wrt defining success and dominance, and we all want PSU to be right in that mix each season.
Seemed like every time I turned my television on last fall Clemson was on. Got to see nearly every one of their games. Wilkins did not look as dominant as he did the previous year. It’s definitely a relative comparison. He is still really good, but he does not blow up double teams like his teammate Dexter Lawrence. He is definitely not as good as Ed Oliver from Houston. That kid is like watching some old Tecmo Bowl game. This draft class will be maybe historically deep at DT. The kid from scUM is good too. Meanwhile it looks like a really weak WR class.
David Jones has an article on that this morning.
As someone else said, too early to tell. On one hand, Trace runs the offense to perfection. He seems to always make the right decisions. He is excellent at buying time and looking downfield to make a play. And, knocking on wood, he's been 100% healthy for two full seasons.
On the other hand, the offense is the opposite of a pro-style offense. He is blessed by defenses using their entire LB corp selling out to stop #26. And he doesn't have the arm strength that Mayfield does. Drew Brees commonly throws the ball 60 yards on a dime. Wilson also has a good deep arm, but is probably more gifted running the ball.
I am sure some will dispute that by posting his completion percentage over 20 yards and that is awesome....but you're hard pressed so see him throw an accurate ball over 40 yards. (Case in point, Polk being open by five yards in the B/W game and Trace missing him short so poorly that 14 almost intercepted it) In addition, a staple NFL play is the deep out. With the talent at S & CB in the NFL, that deep out has to have velocity so the defense doesn't jump the route and intercept it. Without CBs having to fear an accurate 40+ yard bomb dropped into a bucket or having to cover the deep out, the CB can press more. When the CB presses more, that takes away shorter routes and allows for a pass rush.
A lot depends on Trace's senior year. Can he perform as well in the post Barkley era? His arm strength seems to have improved, can he improve to an NFL level? He certainly has the quick release, football IQ, quick thinking, good feet, and moxie. The real question is "does he possess and arm strong enough to keep NFL defenses honest?"
Lets see how Mayfield does this year .... He was a big stretch at #1.
McS ... we will see where he goes. Typically not many QBs are even drafted ....
It only takes one team to fall in love with a player. TM has an uphill battle when it comes to convincing an NFL GM that his size and arm srength are not limiting.
Seems to me the best comp for Trace is PSU's own Matt McGloin, both undersized by typical NFL standards, but accurate and good competitors. Just my observation, but I think McGloin has a little bit better arm strength. Overall, a decent chance for Trace to make a roster, but likely a late round choice or undrafted free agent.
It has been interesting to watch Trace improve his arm strength. His release is wicked fast and he can throw a deep ball with accuracy. I don't put much stock in a single miss throw in a B/W game to Polk. Can he push that arm strength further? As for not have SB in the backfield to to distract defenses....I think Ricky Rahne already gave a glimpse of how that will be done.
Anyone know what Juwan's timed out at in the 40 at PSU?
Also, 4 Clemson DL projected to go in the first round - has that ever happened before?
Also, 4 Clemson DL projected to go in the first round - has that ever happened before?
Trace is way more accurate than McGloin and a better athlete. Regardless of size accuracy is huge at the QB position.
That draft...smh. Wilkins falling that far is laughable. I think that's the first draft that didn't have Patterson and Thorson as the top 2. Herbert & Lock? Maybe--who knows we're months away but I'm not buying that. Especially Herbert. Though if you told me Mayfield would go #1 overall I would have told you that you didn't understand football or the Browns had the first pick 
McSorley--I think he goes Day 3. Very few QBs go day 2. Only 7-10 get drafted. His 2018 season isn't going to sway people. Size and arm strength are the concerns. RPO is being more highly considered at the NFL level so maybe someone like Baltimore (with Jackson) or Carolina could see him as an ideal backup.
McSorley--I think he goes Day 3. Very few QBs go day 2. Only 7-10 get drafted. His 2018 season isn't going to sway people. Size and arm strength are the concerns. RPO is being more highly considered at the NFL level so maybe someone like Baltimore (with Jackson) or Carolina could see him as an ideal backup.
I'm not sold on the accuracy part. I would have liked to have seen Trace run O'Brien's offense to see what his accuracy would have been
Huh? Statistically one of the best in PSU history. OBrien's offense is irrelevant. Cleveland didn't draft Baker Mayfield to run "O'Brien's offense" and no one would draft draft Trace to run it. RPO is a part of the NFL now and Trace can do that at a high level.
I agree...but part of the RPO is making the defense defend the entire field: Vertically and horizontally. Trace is going to need to show that he can make the deep throw; that he has the arm strength. If not, those short passes become easier to defend because those 4.3 forty guys won't care about a WB getting behind them 35+ yards down field.
Can he? We'll see. Trace improved his arm strength between his soph and jr years. Can he again? Other than that, I agree, the kid has all the other tools. I'll bet he's rooting for BM to be rookie of the year.
That draft...smh. Wilkins falling that far is laughable. I think that's the first draft that didn't have Patterson and Thorson as the top 2. Herbert & Lock? Maybe--who knows we're months away but I'm not buying that. Especially Herbert. Though if you told me Mayfield would go #1 overall I would have told you that you didn't understand football or the Browns had the first pick
McSorley--I think he goes Day 3. Very few QBs go day 2. Only 7-10 get drafted. His 2018 season isn't going to sway people. Size and arm strength are the concerns. RPO is being more highly considered at the NFL level so maybe someone like Baltimore (with Jackson) or Carolina could see him as an ideal backup.
Wilkins on most mocks that I've seen is mocked as a late 1st round pick. His box score numbers in 2017 are having an impact on his draft stock; he needs to have more production numbers wise in 2018 if he wants to improve his draft stock.
Agreed about McSorely's arm strength, that will get him held back from getting drafted until very late (or undrafted completed).
There is an interesting article in the CLE paper about Dorsey, Hightower and the Browns thinking on the draft. Dorsey has had a very good track record and this was his first draft for the browns.
Ostensibly, outside of QB, they feel the measure of an NFL player is his "first step" or "explosion". After the first step, it is acceleration. As a result, they put more emphasis on other areas. They wouldn't disclose their formula, but all of the Browns draft picks not named Baker were in the top five (in their position) in high and broad jump.
Ostensibly, outside of QB, they feel the measure of an NFL player is his "first step" or "explosion". After the first step, it is acceleration. As a result, they put more emphasis on other areas. They wouldn't disclose their formula, but all of the Browns draft picks not named Baker were in the top five (in their position) in high and broad jump.
TM will make it to the NFL based as much on what is between his ears as his arm strength. For all intents and purposes, he’s Baker Mayfield playing in a conference that actually plays defense. Not saying he’s better, just that he brings the same physical AND mental package to the table as this year’s #1 overall pick.
Agree....his stats for 2017 were 48 catches for 635 yards, an average of 13.2 yds/catch and non longer than 43 yards
He had one TD....a memorable one vs Iowa
He certainly can be a good NFL receiver, but they'll want to see more evidence of big yardage plays before they take him in the 1st round IMO.
Baker Mayfield has good, not great, arm strength.
Mayfield, overlooked entering the year because of his size and the system in which he plays, has barged into first-round consideration and up draft boards. He makes up for his height — he’s listed as 6-foot-1 — with surprising arm strength, unmatched production, off-the-charts intangibles and athleticism suited for the direction NFL offense is headed....
Mayfield’s arm strength, often a presumed weakness because of his size, is actually an asset. “When I watch his tape, you see back-foot throws that go 55, 60 yards in the air,” Klatt said, and he easily makes out-route passes to the wide side of the field. Mayfield can generate power on even those throws from awkward, unconventional positions. If a traditional pocket quarterback throws like a pitcher, Klatt said, then Mayfield has the footwork and body control to throw like an infielder.
Trace' arm strength, at least last year, isn't as good as Mayfield's IMHO. The Browns coaches made a point of saying his are was as good as Darnolds & Rosen's (but not as good as Allen's or Jackson's).Mayfield’s arm strength, often a presumed weakness because of his size, is actually an asset. “When I watch his tape, you see back-foot throws that go 55, 60 yards in the air,” Klatt said, and he easily makes out-route passes to the wide side of the field. Mayfield can generate power on even those throws from awkward, unconventional positions. If a traditional pocket quarterback throws like a pitcher, Klatt said, then Mayfield has the footwork and body control to throw like an infielder.
Here is an article in the local paper, hot off the presses.
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Probably just because I watch all of our games... it seems TM has a lot of passes batted down at the LOS. It might be i think that because it's us and that makes it memorable... when in fact maybe it wasn't as often as it seemed. And it might be his bat-down percentage is on par with other QB's. Guessing there's a stat for this someplace lol.
If he does have a higher percentage, I'd wager the number only goes up when he faces better, taller, faster, more explosive jumpers in the NFL.
Arm strength simply is not on par with most NFL QB's... imo. But he has made strides in that area and if it continues, he should be a contender for getting picked in the draft. He has all the other tools.
If he does have a higher percentage, I'd wager the number only goes up when he faces better, taller, faster, more explosive jumpers in the NFL.
Arm strength simply is not on par with most NFL QB's... imo. But he has made strides in that area and if it continues, he should be a contender for getting picked in the draft. He has all the other tools.
I really don’t think any NFL team is going to schematically ask McSorley to challenge defenses vertically any more than Penn State has over the past two seasons.
From the tape I see, Trace has shown a variety of throws that NFL quarterbacks routinely have to make, and has routinely won on balls thrown into tight windows. In particular, the throws that he made to win the game against Iowa, the Gesicki touchdown against Nebraska, and his first touchdown against Georgia in 2015 were all professional-sized windows and quality throws. He’s probably going to be the best slot fade thrower in the draft class - a route that’s growing in popularity each season, and he’s demonstrated the consistent ability to deliver intermediate back shoulder throws successfully. On traditional go routes, McSorley was so successful that we’ve heard opponents call the entire offense a fluke - but his throws on those routes are consistently, accurately and easily over 50 yards in the air.
Is he as good as Baker Mayfield? No - Baker is one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the history of college football and there’s a reason he went #1. But I can say with absolute confidence that Trace is good enough to be drafted, and is almost certainly better than a lot of the tall, big armed statues who will probably be picked ahead of him.
From the tape I see, Trace has shown a variety of throws that NFL quarterbacks routinely have to make, and has routinely won on balls thrown into tight windows. In particular, the throws that he made to win the game against Iowa, the Gesicki touchdown against Nebraska, and his first touchdown against Georgia in 2015 were all professional-sized windows and quality throws. He’s probably going to be the best slot fade thrower in the draft class - a route that’s growing in popularity each season, and he’s demonstrated the consistent ability to deliver intermediate back shoulder throws successfully. On traditional go routes, McSorley was so successful that we’ve heard opponents call the entire offense a fluke - but his throws on those routes are consistently, accurately and easily over 50 yards in the air.
Is he as good as Baker Mayfield? No - Baker is one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the history of college football and there’s a reason he went #1. But I can say with absolute confidence that Trace is good enough to be drafted, and is almost certainly better than a lot of the tall, big armed statues who will probably be picked ahead of him.
BEST NFL COMBINE BROAD JUMP PERFORMANCES EVER
DISTANCE NAME SCHOOL POSITION YEAR
12' 3" Byron Jones UConn CB 2015
11' 9" Obi Melifonwu UConn S 2017
11' 7" Jamie Collins Southern Miss OLB 2013
11' 7" Chris Conley Georgia WR 2015
11' 6" Bud Depree Kentucky OLB 2015
11' 4" Robert Davis Georgia State WR 2017
11' 4" Justin Hunter Tennessee WR 2013
11' 4" Fabian Moreau UCLA CB 2017
11' 4" Jerome Simpson Coastal Carolina WR 2008
#7 I don't think so at least right now. If he has a huge breakout year catching 80+ balls over 1200 yds and 10+ tds then he could be a top ten pick. Allen Robinson was much better then Johnson and he didn't get pick until late second round.
ARob was very productive on some mediocre teams and in a pro system. JJ is a superior physical talent, and if he shows vertical ability on tape to go along along with his physical makeup, he’ll most certainly jump into the 1st round.
Don't tell the Keystone Sports Network team that. They don't believe Mc Sorley will not get drafted. Juwan Johnson will get drafted but not too high. Bates and McGovern will get drafted but not that high.
Johnson may have a big year this year. He reminds me of Anquan Bolden. I don't know what these people watch. A lot of negativity recently.
Do they mean that they think Bates and McGovern will *both* declare early for the 2019 draft???
I'm thinking late 5th-7th round at best. He's not going to test of the charts. He's not tall. And he's not running a pro style offense.
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I like McSorley, I think he gets drafted based upon production, athleticism and intangibles....While I think Mayfield at 1 was a stretch, I think his downfield throwing ability was more accurate downfield than Trace's and had a better arm....
There are probably 100 teams in CFB that would kill to have Trace this year, but I do not think that translates into a first or second round pick for Trace.
There are probably 100 teams in CFB that would kill to have Trace this year, but I do not think that translates into a first or second round pick for Trace.
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