Kelly gone at ND?
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Here is how something like that would work.
ND let's them talk.
They reach an agreement .
ND would most likely owe him nothing.
Called a mutual parting of the ways with no financial harm to either side.
ND let's them talk.
They reach an agreement .
ND would most likely owe him nothing.
Called a mutual parting of the ways with no financial harm to either side.
He wouldn't. In essence, he'd be the middle man who would play ND and O against each other to supplement his income. If O doesn't want to pony up, he'll stay at ND. If they do, they both may be willing to meet someplace in the middle. ND may want to fire him, but cannot due to the massive buy out. But if O is willing to participate, all good.
I don't have copy of his contract.....but it would be HIGHLY unusual if any "buyout" wasn't offset (reduced) by any salary earned in another job.
So - unless Kelly simply wants to sit on his ass for a couple years - whatever he earns in his next gig (and, if its Oregon, it is likely to be big $$$) will effectively save ND the buyout money.
Unless ND signed the dumbest "termination clause" in the history of coaching contracts.
bwifan
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Take it for what it's worth but Chip Kelly said yesterday he has no interest at all in returning to college football. Said he would help them select a coach but that's it.
That ship is sunk
You know, I'm starting to think you may be right. Like all other things, if it goes down, it will be self-inflicted.
In any case, the only guy I can see pulling ND out of this tailspin is the Colorado coach, who would be crazy to leave Colorado for South Bend, Indiana.
The Colorado coach has had a nice year, but it's only one year. And, no history of success.
Doesn't seem to be any great options currently that look "can't miss" the way an Urban Meyer did after Bowling Green and Utah, or, frankly, like James Franklin after Vanderbilt. Honestly, I wasn't really all that impressed with Herman this year. That team played awful against some sub par competition at times.
bwifan
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I agree but when you're unemployed and no one in the NFL will return your phone call suddenly the same money in the college game looks pretty good...
Neither does anyone else, the joys of being a private school, except for Kelly, ND, and their respective lawyers. No matter; it's highly unlikely that his contract would cover a situation like this. Legally, ND and Kelly would have to negotiate some sort of tangential side deal.
From this point, it's kind of interesting because we don't have a good idea of what Kelly makes. Reports are around $1.7mm, but if anyone believes that, come see me: I have all sorts of investment proposals in which you'd be interested. Helfrich is currently guaranteed $2.75mm, going to $3.3mm in the last season of his contract, which is 2019. Kelly's current deal runs through 2021.
If I'm Oregon, I sit tight. First, I'm on the hook for nearly $12mm to Helfrich. Then, if ND really wants to let Kelly go and realize some savings on his buyout, they have to make a very nice offer, one that doesn't require me to go begging to Phil Knight.
I think you missed this one, 'Ro. Coach is Mike McIntyre (sp?).
He took San Jose State from 1-11 to 11-2 in 3 years. He then took over Colorado which went 1-11 before he got the job in 2012 to 10-2 this year and playing for the PAC conf championship. You take 2 programs, one a P5, and turn them around, that's pretty darn good. Reminds me of ... (gasp) Urban.
I think he's the real deal.
Then I stand corrected.
But, I would agree that going to Notre Dame at this juncture would not be in his best interests - he could probably be more successful at Colorado.
Perhaps Notre Dame wants to give Pat Fitzgerald a call - last time they got a coach from Northwestern, they did OK.
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The name I keep hearing is PJ Fleck (Western Michigan). The other guy I think is going to be a hot commodity is South Florida's Willie Taggart. Quietly led the Bulls to a 10-2 record this season, is best buds with Jim Harbaugh (RB coach on his Stanford staff), and is an excellent recruiter.
Co-workers of mine who are big ND fans saying PJ Fleck is the man they want. Of course these guys were also saying that Tom Herman would crawl on his belly in the snow to coach at ND, so what do they know. Actually, I am not sure ND is a good job anymore....since the sanctimonious, holier than thou crew think that its satill the greatest job in America.
"Unless ND signed the dumbest "termination clause" in the history of coaching contracts"
Could very well have happened if they were being advised by any of the PSU legal eagles and/or BOT members
Here is what is going on in San Francisco.
They are going to clean house.
For the most part anyway.
The person who will be charged with rebuilding the team is already in place. Tom Gamble.
If that name is familiar he was the person who got walked out of the Eagles complex admidst that power struggle what ensued between Chip Kelly and Howard Roseman. (He is also the son of former Eagles President Harry Gamble). Kelly was none to pleased about that as him and Gamble are allies. The 49ers bought him back and they think very highly of him. He was instrumental in bringing Kelly onboard. All that said Gamble gets rid of everybody except Kelly and rebuilds the front office and personnel department.
bwifan
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I agree totally. Only problem I think is the owners and public pressure to get rid of Kelly. Gamble risk's his future by keeping Kelly as coach. Not sure he wants to hitch his horse to that cart. Gamble already put his neck out once for him hiring him against the entire front office objection. Hard to just to the owner's keeping a coach with 1-15 record. Considering many said Kaepernick was about the only QB who could fit what he wanted to do system wise. At most Kelly stays 1 more year. I don't see a near big enough turn around next year with that teams holes. I think at best they win 4-5 games next if they are lucky. At that time the coach has to go and I am sure the owner's will be looking at the GM and getting rid of him as well. I think Gamble could buy a few years with the owners if he sweeps everyone out of the front office including the coaching staff. Otherwise I would think his neck is on the block next year with out a massive turn around. I would think Kelly can see this as well. I don't see Kelly getting another pro coaching job after this butcher job in SF. I think it's back to the college ranks why I think Oregon may be kicking the tires behind the scenes.
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Only issue with what you wrote is that how bad does it look firing 2 coaches after 1 year each . This team afterall is not the Cleveland Browns
Won't affect anything. Move on, let's concentrate on getting Penn State guys.
Like Kaindoh and Wade.
Like Kaindoh and Wade.
There's already stuff pooping up with Herman that makes me think UT might have bought a pig in a poke. He's very thin skinned and had run ins at a low stress place like UH. I think UT might eat him up if he doesn't have near-instant success.
So now this discussion is a distraction to the PSU team and our recruiting?
Glad I didn't ask for input into new tires. The team might forget to board the plane to Indy.
bwifan
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Exactly there will be enough pressure on Gamble after this season. When season tickets and merchandise sales fall off the owners take note quickly. Gamble will be under pressure to turn things around quickly. IMHO he can justify a longer turn around of a couple years (which I think it will take to accomplish this) with the owners via a new coach. If not, another poor season next year the owners will get impatient when season ticket sales and merchandise sales continue to tank and Gamble will be thrown out with Kelly. Also looks bad for Gamble if Philadelphia escorted him out as well as he is not the least bit successful in SF. He will have a hard time finding another position. Kelly will head back to the college ranks leaving him on his own. Just my thoughts on would could happen. Who knows after this season the owners may decide to wipe the whole slate clean and get rid of them all. Going to be a tough sell for the owners if they keep Gamble and Kelly to sell to ticket holders to renew their season tickets. Let alone if they have 2 poor back to back seasons. Will be interesting to watch from afar.
Is Jerry Faust still alive?
Maybe he'd like to try a comeback!!
On second thought, Hillary Clinton is now available!!!
Maybe he'd like to try a comeback!!
On second thought, Hillary Clinton is now available!!!
Gamble is well-respected in the NFL .
Getting walked out in Philadelphia was Howard Rosman's ego. Everyone knows who the more qualified person is.
Financially tickets and merchandise sales are not as much a % of revenue there as you may think. Levis stadium has some unbelievable sponsorships with those silicon Valley companies . Place may be more of a goldmine than Jerry's world.
I chuckled because I used the phrase "pig in a poke" in an appellate brief this week.
bwifan
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