Lamar Jackson declares for the draft

[78SweetRevenge]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/s...cardinals-qb-lamar-jackson-declares-nfl-draft
Very interested to see where he gets drafted. For his sake, hopefully no film from their bowl game exists.

 

[psuro]

Good for him.

 

[PennStateNate]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/s...cardinals-qb-lamar-jackson-declares-nfl-draft
Very interested to see where he gets drafted. For his sake, hopefully no film from their bowl game exists.

It will be about the combine, he has the tools to blow everyone away.. I'd be shocked if he wasn't a first round pick

 

[Obliviax]

Great for the Browns. with five picks in the first two rounds, including 1 & 4 overall, these Jr's coming out strengthen the draft and their opportunity to deal.

Consider someone being enamored with him if he drops out of the first round. the browns will have already taken 1 & 4, one being a QB in all probability. But someone wanting to take him at #1 in round 2 might be willing to give up a ton.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

It will be about the combine, he has the tools to blow everyone away.. I'd be shocked if he wasn't a first round pick

I agree--I think he'll be a bust but I agree he goes in the first

 

[fastlax16]

I agree--I think he'll be a bust but I agree he goes in the first

Sounds like a solid bet to be a browns top 5 pick.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

If the Browns take Saquon then Lamar Jackson I'm going to be really upset for Barkley

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I thought I heard it a week or 2 back, but someone on the radio was saying he is the next Pryor or Braxton Miller. Great athlete, but just not a complete QB. Who knows, the only real highlights I've seen from him were with his legs or hitting a WR open by about 20 yards.

 

[jrd23psu]

It will be about the combine, he has the tools to blow everyone away.. I'd be shocked if he wasn't a first round pick

I would be shocked if he is any better than a third. He's a fantastic athlete and fantastic college QB, but he's not the QB I'd like in the NFL. He runs too often, is too small to be running like that in the NFL, and is not a competent enough passer for the NFL.

Fine athlete, but he's a poor man's version of RGIII.

 

[Obliviax]

If the Browns take Saquon then Lamar Jackson I'm going to be really upset for Barkley

Not going to happen for two reasons: Hue Jackson is a pocket passer kind of guy and Browns still smarting from the RG3 experiment.

Browns will take one of three guys at QB: Rosen, Darnold or Josh Allen (Wyoming).

It is very possible the Browns trade the #1 down if they think they can get one of those three at #4. Its also possible they trade the #4 down if one of them is left and a team wants to move up to 4 to get him.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Watched Bill Polian a few years back and when asked what he has looked for in fielding his Super Bowl teams: Never draft a QB with a TD to turnover ration of less that 3-1. He claimed that lack of decision making or ability to hold the ball cannot he overcome in pro football.

Go ahead, Browns....pick Darnold and make another mistake.

 

[mjh218]

He could easily be converted to a Randle El type player

 

[Obliviax]

Watched Bill Polian a few years back and when asked what he has looked for in fielding his Super Bowl teams: Never draft a QB with a TD to turnover ration of less that 3-1. He claimed that lack of decision making or ability to hold the ball cannot he overcome in pro football.

Go ahead, Browns....pick Darnold and make another mistake.

I would never accuse Darnold of poor decision making and i feel like these kinds of blanket statements are foolish.

For Darnold, in 2016, he had 31 TD's and 9 INTs.

In 2017 he had 26 TD's and 13 INTs.

Now, in 2016 he had JuJu Shuster Smith. In 2017 he did not, plus he had two Fr OLmen. I read people complain about his performance against tOSU. Well, he was sacked 8 times and should have been sacked at least four other times.

Rosen't stats are worse. Josh Allen is 44 & 21. Baker Mayfield is 119 and 21. Tom Brady? 30 & 17. Ben? 84 & 24. Russell Willson 33 & 4 with Wiscy.

I think the Browns go into the combine and pro-days with an open mind regarding all of the top five QB's available in the draft. They then evaluate what that QB was able to do in game situations when he had reasonable enough time to throw.

No harder position to judge than QB. Credit to CJF but McS was a 3 star with four state championship games under his belt. Brady and Wilson were passed over by every team and more than once. So many intangibles.

Some are suggest the Browns take a QB in both the first and second rounds.

 

[Cletus11]

After how Robert Griffith fizzled, I don't see Lamar Jackson going first round unless some GM wants to try to make a splash hire and gamble. Seems more like a 3rd round type to me.

 

[LionwiththeDevil]

Athletic Quarterbacks can play in the game people. Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Charlie Ward, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, to name just a few. Many experts, including Vick himself, have said Jackson has the best arm and athletic ability of them all. That's saying something. It's a QB's league and someone is going to spend a first round pick on him.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Athletic Quarterbacks can play in the game people. Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Charlie Ward, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, to name just a few. Many experts, including Vick himself, have said Jackson has the best arm and athletic ability of them all. That's saying something. It's a QB's league and someone is going to spend a first round pick on him.

Jackson doesn't have the ability to throw into tight windows or go through progressions....just like Mason Rudolph. It isn't about not liking athletic QBs (not sure why you didn't mention Alex Smith unless you're trying to say black QBs) but evaluating the player. Did you watch the bowl game?

Yes, someone will probably spend a first round pick on him...it may work out or it may not. Same with Darnold, Rosen & Allen.

 

[Mister Magoo]

This clears the way for McSorley to win the Heisman!

 

[LionwiththeDevil]

"Jackson doesn't have the ability to throw into tight windows or go through progressions.."

That's not what Bobby Petrino says and he's coached a few good ones.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Athletic Quarterbacks can play in the game people. Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Charlie Ward, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, to name just a few. Many experts, including Vick himself, have said Jackson has the best arm and athletic ability of them all. That's saying something. It's a QB's league and someone is going to spend a first round pick on him.

Totally agree with this. He won't be able to run as much in the NFL as he has in CFB (he'd get killed trying to do that), but his speed and running ability is a plus. In addition, he is a very accurate passer, and a cool customer as he goes through his progressions. He has more upside than any other QB in the draft, IMO, but he is probably a riskier pick than either Rosen or Darnold.

 

[LafayetteBear]

"Jackson doesn't have the ability to throw into tight windows or go through progressions.."

That's not what Bobby Petrino says and he's coached a few good ones.

That is just not true. I have watched him in a whole bunch of games, and he has done both of those things repeatedly. The video doesn't lie. Not comparing my football acumen with Petrino's, but you can see it for yourself if you watch Jackson on TV.

 

[Obliviax]

Like all of the other QB prospects, you won't know until you get him into camp. Pro game is so different from college.

 

[Raffycorn]

NFL scouting types - in their infinite wisdom - will try to convince everyone that Jackson is best suited as a wide receiver, but he's a damn good quarterback who will succeed if he's actually given the opportunity. He's far better than the kid from Wyoming.

 

[Still in State College]

It will be interesting to see how all of these guys test. Jackson is listed 6'3", 211 lbs, Darnold 6'4", 220 lbs, Rosen 6'4", 215 lbs, Mayfield 6'1", 220 lbs, Rudolph 6'5", 230 lbs, and Allen 6'5", 233.

At North Dakota State, Wentz was listed 6'6", 235 lbs and at the combine he was 6'5", 237lbs.

Jackson was an extremely productive QB for Louisville. I'm not sure how his running will translate to the NFL. Carolina has really gone a different way with Newton and designed runs.

 

[Obliviax]

It will be interesting to see how all of these guys test. Jackson is listed 6'3", 211 lbs, Darnold 6'4", 220 lbs, Rosen 6'4", 215 lbs, Mayfield 6'1", 220 lbs, Rudolph 6'5", 230 lbs, and Allen 6'5", 233.

At North Dakota State, Wentz was listed 6'6", 235 lbs and at the combine he was 6'5", 237lbs.

Jackson was an extremely productive QB for Louisville. I'm not sure how his running will translate to the NFL. Carolina has really gone a different way with Newton and designed runs.

Thanks...interesting information.

I feel like the problem for running NFL QB's is risk of injury. In the NFL, you have 16 difficult games (unless the browns are on your schedule...i kid, I kid). In college, that is really more like five or six. Plus, the guys are a lot bigger, faster and stronger. My concern for a guy like Jackson is keeping him in the pocket and healthy. I admire Wilson because he is very smart when he runs, Cam as well (for the most part). But QB's who like to run have been problematic. I feel like this is why the league is gravitating to that tall, pocket presence QB over the guy who has to learn to NOT run unless he has to.

 

[Still in State College]

Thanks...interesting information.

I feel like the problem for running NFL QB's is risk of injury. In the NFL, you have 16 difficult games (unless the browns are on your schedule...i kid, I kid). In college, that is really more like five or six. Plus, the guys are a lot bigger, faster and stronger. My concern for a guy like Jackson is keeping him in the pocket and healthy. I admire Wilson because he is very smart when he runs, Cam as well (for the most part). But QB's who like to run have been problematic. I feel like this is why the league is gravitating to that tall, pocket presence QB over the guy who has to learn to NOT run unless he has to.

I agree but it seems that Carolina is taking more of a not care attitude with Newton. He had 108 designed runs this year. Granted Newton is 6'5" and 245 lbs but that is a lot of intentional contact to subject your QB to.

 

[LionwiththeDevil]

Thanks...interesting information.

I feel like the problem for running NFL QB's is risk of injury. In the NFL, you have 16 difficult games (unless the browns are on your schedule...i kid, I kid). In college, that is really more like five or six. Plus, the guys are a lot bigger, faster and stronger. My concern for a guy like Jackson is keeping him in the pocket and healthy. I admire Wilson because he is very smart when he runs, Cam as well (for the most part). But QB's who like to run have been problematic. I feel like this is why the league is gravitating to that tall, pocket presence QB over the guy who has to learn to NOT run unless he has to.

Watched every game the last two years of UofL football, and Jackson grew a ton from one season to the next. He could have probably doubled his rushing yards this year if he would have simply taken off when the first option wasn't available, played with a HORRENDOUS offensive line, and actually should have run the ball a lot more than he did. He's not going to be successful from day one, but if he gets on the right team that designs things to take advantage of his talents he'll succeed.

 

[Obliviax]

Watched every game the last two years of UofL football, and Jackson grew a ton from one season to the next. He could have probably doubled his rushing yards this year if he would have simply taken off when the first option wasn't available, played with a HORRENDOUS offensive line, and actually should have run the ball a lot more than he did. He's not going to be successful from day one, but if he gets on the right team that designs things to take advantage of his talents he'll succeed.

I don't know much about him but he is an incredible athlete and seems to be a nice enough guy. Is he accurate? Hard to tell when the ol sucks and your d is giving up a ton of points (forcing you to be more aggressive). he's certainly been an awesome college QB.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

"Jackson doesn't have the ability to throw into tight windows or go through progressions.."

That's not what Bobby Petrino says and he's coached a few good ones.

Petrino has coached good ones and he's going to support his player. Have you ever heard a college coach not support their guy. Well, maybe Brian Kelly.

Watch the bowl game this year. Even half of it. Now, he can improve but that won't be easy. At least IMO

I like Jackson. He's not a douchebag like Mayfield but I'm not convinced he's going to be a great NFL QB...or even a long-term starter.

 

[Op2]

People like to get caught up in the measurables but in the end it comes down to this: You cannot be a successful QB in the NFL if you cannot consistently and accurately pass the football. (And "accurately" by NFL standards is "very accurately" by college standards.) I don't know know if Jackson can or not but I saw someone somewhere write that he wasn't as good a passer as Vick and if that's so...and I don't know if it is...it's not good. Keep in mind that for all Vick's hype he was an average NFL QB.

Lots of people tout "strong arm." Strong doesn't matter if the receiver can't catch it.

I think the new prototype for the great NFL QB is neither the statue QB a la Brady or the runner a la Vick but rather the guy that can move and create more time and sometimes run as well a la Rodgers or Wentz or Wilson. Wilson runs enough that people think of him as a running QB but really he's a pocket QB that can run too.