Last night's Big Takeaway
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I thought Carter was you going to stay on the mat and whip a rule book out to show Angel
I believe on the telecast Angel initially said "illegal full Nelson" before changing to "illegal headlock, didn't encircle an arm." But yes, Carter did switch from a cross face to locking his hands for more leverage, and I don't know the rules.
Didn't watch, but based on the description this sounds like the thing Ed Ruth used to do occasionally and it's never been fully to explained to me whether it's legal or not. It doesn't feel like it should be since you're locking around the head without an arm, but it's also not really a "headlock" either. Weird.
Well, Carter didn't think it was illegal and I believe someone from the PSU bench said something to the effect that it wasn't illegal.
Maybe Pyles will discuss it on FRL. Or maybe @smalls103 will. Need an expert to weigh in.
Casey incorrectly claimed he had the elbow.
I assumed he was referring to U of Michigan, which lost to Maryland tonight for the first time in 227 yrs.
Other: mcpat can't handle real alcohol.
If Angel says it is so, that’s good enough for me. 😉
My big takeaway is forget football. It’s Penn State wrestling from here on. And I just got notified that my NCAA ticket is coming. 👍
My biggest takeaway was Shane giving the stats… PSU is 128-2 in the last 130 duals. 75-1 in Big Ten. That’s hard to comprehend. One of those 2 losses probably doesn’t happen if our guy doesn’t fail the skin check.
I was hoping Cael would throw the brick just to show up Angel for his incompetence. LOL.I thought Carter was you going to stay on the mat and whip a rule book out to show Angel
My takeaway was it doesn't matter who you are, if you are wrestling Penn State this year a shutout is a very distinct possibility.
And even if he wasn’t, I don’t think you can throw a brick to overturn a penalty point.
This is the rule: "Any hold is allowed except the hammerlock above the right angle, twisting hammerlock, full nelson, front headlock without the arm, headlock without the arm (must encircle at the elbow or above)." It looked like Carter initially wasn't above the elbow when he locked hands, which made it illegal, but by the time Rivera blew the whistle Carter had moved the lock above the elbow. Had Carter been locked above the elbow from the beginning of the move it would have been a legal move.
Our starters have lost two bouts, and both guys that won those have had recent injuries. Is Cael & Co hiring Tonya Harding’s husband for some revenge? 😄
Do you happen to have video of that match from 1798, or did FLO take it down?
I don't know the rule either, but it was an odd exchange. Initially, it was a standard cross face, albeit a brutal one. Then he gripped the opposite hand and I have seen this before many times when it wasn't ruled illegal (someone above says that the hands have to be above the elbow to do it, but I'm having a hard time envisioning an exchange where you would grip the hands below the elbow). What was odd is that you could hear what sounded like a woman's voice on the mat saying, "that's illegal" before Angel blew the whistle and when he did, he initially claimed that it was a full-nelson, then changed to "illegal headlock" (and I'm not sure that I didn't hear the same voice saying "illegal headlock" on/near the mat before he did so. I suppose it may have been Angel's voice, I can't really recall ever hearing him speak and don't know what his voice sounds like). I guess the question being, was Angel pressured to make that call and if so, by whom? Obviously, it didn't make a hill of beans, but you'd kind of like the mat officials to have some clue of what they're calling, otherwise it's like a jr. high school match and you get calls just because someone cries out or moans (or because one of the coaches is making all of the calls for the mat official).
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Yes. Mizzou coached announced (maybe a week ago) that Elam out for year and also said KOT out a month or so
DODGING THE COMPETITION: Last night MSU withheld many of their starters from the competition. It seems hard to believe they were all injured or had some other legitimate reason for not competing. Why in the world would you not want to wrestle the toughest competition? This is happening with increasing frequency throughout the wrestling world. I think the real tragedy of dodging competition is the underlying and unspoken life message that the wrestler gets from his coaches. The coaches classify themselves as leaders of young men. The wrestler is essentially being told by the coach that when everything looks hopeless and when you can see no possible way to win, then it is okay to turn tail and run and not even try. How can they possibly learn to be a better wrestler, or a better person for that matter, if they don't even try? That unspoken message will get burned into their subconscious and will undoubtedly lead to more quitting/not trying later on in life. Life is a series of challenges for all of us. We must face those challenges head on and not run away from them. Perhaps all of this is best described by Theodore Roosevelt's famous "In the Arena" quote. I have this quote framed and hanging in my house. It is burned into my memory. I have read it often for inspiration when the going gets tough for me. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat". This describes perfectly what those young MSU men will miss in their lives because they were not allowed to face the challenge. Tragic indeed.
I do that just to piss you off. Actually, I'm doing it from my phone and I can't make those paragraph breaks from my Android phone. I live very rural and can't get Wi-Fi or use my computer so I must use my phone. Sorry.
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