List your best theories about what the BoT is hiding in the Freeh files
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When the younger Surma died, there was no death notice, no announcement, until after the fact, as I recall. The entire thing was buried. So very sad.
I despise John Surma, but there's a human element to all of this, and somehow they view JP as part of their family drama.
(and yes, I realize that it was Big John's nephew, as CR likes to refer to him.)
There are a lot of victims here.
I despise John Surma, but there's a human element to all of this, and somehow they view JP as part of their family drama.
(and yes, I realize that it was Big John's nephew, as CR likes to refer to him.)
There are a lot of victims here.
very interesting blog post from Barry Bozeman on notpsu about Vic Jr's passing: LINK
the comments are fascinating.
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Upjohn provided a flexible framework to identify when employee communications with corporate counsel qualifies as protected attorney-client exchanges.
Prior to Upjohn, the circuit courts were split between the “control group” test, which only applied the attorney-client privilege to contacts with a small group of individuals at the company necessary for rendering legal advice, or the “subject matter” test, in which application of the privilege depended on the nature of the communications.
Upjohn held that each case must be evaluated on its own facts to determine whether application of attorney-client privilege would further the underlying purpose of the privilege, which is to encourage candid communications between client and counsel for the purpose of rendering legal advice. Specifically, the court emphasized that the privilege applies when “the communications concerned matters within the scope of the employees’ corporate duties, and the employees themselves were sufficiently aware that they were being questioned in order that the corporation could obtain legal advice.”
Upjohn provided more flexibility for companies by allowing them to conduct internal investigations through interviewing employees, while giving assurance that the proper notice could keep these communications confidential.
So now the Ship of Fools are concerned with their employees? PLEAASSE... They threw JVP, Spanier, Shultz and Curley all dedicated, accomplished "employees" to the wolves. Why? The least sinister conclusion is that they pissed their pants. Perhaps they are just cowards. It is more than likely that some of the old guard knew more about Jerry than anyone else at PSU except Harmon. Which explains why Harmon is being hidden behind The Commonwealth Guard ALL Shield.
Other than Vicki Triponey and Old Guard Misanthropes tall tales, the Freeh Fiasco had no foundation for its reasonable conclusions. You have to pity the poor Fools.......they signed on for a lifetime position of cocktail parties and corporate footsie and ended up exposed as self serving and immoral.
Other than Vicki Triponey and Old Guard Misanthropes tall tales, the Freeh Fiasco had no foundation for its reasonable conclusions. You have to pity the poor Fools.......they signed on for a lifetime position of cocktail parties and corporate footsie and ended up exposed as self serving and immoral.
Blah blah blah blah.
The Upjohn warning specifically warns the employee that confidentiality is not guaranteed. It is complete BS to say that Freeh promised anyone either confidentiality or anonymity.
So what you're saying is Baldwin failed to provide C/S/S a proper Upjohn Warning?
"United States v. Ruehle, 583 F.3d 600 (9th Cir. Cal. 2009), involves a prime example of a case that features some of the pitfalls arising from the failure to provide a properUpjohn warning. In Ruehle, counsel represented the company and its CFO in civil securities litigations at the same time it was conducting an internal investigation into issues related to the securities litigations. During the internal investigation, counsel interviewed the CFO. The company later waived the attorney-client privilege, and turned over the interview statement to the SEC and U.S. Attorney’s Office in a criminal investigation.
When the CFO was subsequently indicted, he contended that his statement to counsel during the internal investigation was protected by the attorney-client privilege, and moved to suppress the statement from admission at trial. The CFO contended that he reasonably believed at the time of the interview that counsel represented both the company and him as an individual, and that counsel never advised the interview was on behalf of the company. Counsel, on the other hand, contended that it advised the CFO that it did not represent him individually with regard to the interview.
In the absence of any documents memorializing counsel’s provision of a properUpjohn warning, the district court found that counsel failed to provide it, and the disclosure of the CFO’s statement to the government required that the statement be suppressed. The court also referred counsel to the California bar for discipline for representing two parties with conflicting interests without obtaining written consent and for failing to advise the CFO to seek separate counsel."
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If nothing were being hidden, then there would be no reason for CR to hold court here and state as much. Nouveau riche people like him otherwise couldn't be bothered hanging out here with the hoi polloi.
If they had nothing to hide, CR would never bother hanging out here with the middle class, whom he despises.
If they had nothing to hide, CR would never bother hanging out here with the middle class, whom he despises.
As much of a despicable human being as I know you to be, I can't believe even you said that. I have to repeat it for effect. "Knowing who was interviewed isn't necessary to form a judgement as to the efficacy of the information for deciding whether the conclusions Freeh arrived at are valid". I mean WOW. Just unfvckingbelievable.
Honestly, I haven't quite figured out whether CR is a moron or he just thinks the rest of us are dumb enough to buy this crap.
Nobody could possibly be as stupid as cr66 appears to be. Unfortunately we see that it is possible to be that mendacious.
I think you are correct. And I think the main reason they did what you say is to hide the fact that they were the ones that knew about JS and kept it from administrators and Joe. And I think they were in collusion with TSM. JMO.
This same post and others of CRs appeared under the name Andrea DiMaggio word for word.
Good points above especially #2. I think they all heard rumors and they all thought Jerry was being Jerry so they are just as guilty as Joe was who they fingered to take the fall. That plus there are always side deals that may or may not be crooked but when light shines on the deals they may not look good. They want to get away from Jerry and looking like there were back room deals to enrich themselves.
The problem is that they doubled down and covered it up by fir blaming Joe and then having the Freeh report manufactured to solidify the cover-up. They made it allot worse.
CR66 is a troll, trying to keep the blood flowing over here at BWI.
I think they're hiding this and evidence that they've known all along; that Freeh was hired to validate the actions of and protect the BOT.
When we find a shred of evidence that any of them reported what they knew, then (& only then) they might have the distinction of being "just as guilty as Joe" in this matter.
I've spoken to that Andrea. Has no relatives in NJ, doesn't post on message boards or newspaper comment sections. Especially Lake Hoptacong which is the site of a legend of a giant snake. You also want to keep in mind that another poster claims to live in the Mexican town from the Shawshank Redemption who has dozens of names. The 2 tie together.
The whole narrative was to hide the ties that 2nd Mile had to the BOT. That still is the reason that the BOT is fighting.
I suspect that Freeh has more info than he let on about Benn Novak's claim that, in the early-mid 90s, there was general awareness on the Board of Jerry's proclivities, and it may go beyond general awareness on the part of some board members. If so, this will leave people wondering why they should not be fired, too, like they fired Joe. Their fiduciary duty required them to act to protect the University as soon as they were aware of the issues or potential issues.
I was watching the 'Bank Job' on like IFC or something, I think what they stumbled onto is what the BOT is hiding.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0200465/?ref_=nv_sr_1
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0200465/?ref_=nv_sr_1
