Lost out on the starting spot for the Jets, they are rolling with McCown to start the season. It appears that Bryce Petty would be the most logical #2 as he outplayed Hackenberg in the pre-season. I'm sure everyone will have their opinion here, as a Jets fan, I never thought it made much sense to draft Hack in the second round and it seems my concerns have been realized. Great Penn Stater, but he just has not developed at all. The Jets have done him no favors with their make-shift O-line and very young receiving group, but Hack just showed nothing to earn the spot. 22 possessions and he led them to 1 touchdown, he had 2 pick sixes. I guess I wonder if that about does it for him in the league. He might play again when McCown and Petty inevitably get hurt, but I doubt he will be able to do enough to not get cut at the end of the year. If he gets cut, maybe another team takes a flyer on him in the preseason to be their 3rd string? It looks pretty ominous for Hack at the moment, if he could'nt start in the Jets QB room, or even finish as the backup, I wonder how he would make out in another franchise.
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Hack has all the physical tools and I'm sure he is hard working and intelligent. I hope I don't offend anyone by saying, he has yet to demonstrate that he can produce enough to stay in the NFL. His tools will get him at least another chance and we can all hope it is under better circumstances.
Put him in a backup/reserve-role with a team that protects the QB and he'll be fine... the Jets are one hot mess... as soon as i heard who drafted him my reaction was "ughhhh" ... one of the few destinationd worse than Buffalo
He has poor pocket presence or the quickness to avoid the rush we he does sense it. that was what killed him at PSU and what the NFL knows. So they blitz the crap out of him. Combine that with the Jets awful O-line and you have what you have. Goff isn't playing well either. There is a long list of first and second round QB's that don't pan out, doesn't mean they were poor college players. RG3 is out of the league; Clausen, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Tannehill, Manuel, Bortles, Manziel, all look like busts at this point.
Sounds a bit like "It's Franklin's fault." Sure, the jets are devoid of real talent and great QB coaching, but Hack just has not developed at all since his freshman year at Penn State. As bad as the jets are, there are not many clearer paths to a starting job in the NFL. They drafted him in the 2nd round and the GM is desperate to have Hack not be a bust, they have tried to redshirt him last year and give him the majority of the snaps this year and be the man.....neither has worked.
True...on the other hand, Hackenberg is only 7 months older than Trace McSorley. (Feb 14th, 1995 versus August 23, 1995)
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I chose to take the high road and speak of his positive attributes that led to a nice initial payday and hopefully another chance with a stable organization. I agree that Hack has a lot to prove and it is long past blaming his PSU OL and JF. I wish him nothing but success, as I believe he is a good kid and was a loyal Lion.
I'm a huge Penn State AND Jets fan and I was not happy at all when the Jets selected him. I really think his upside is career backup. The OL was completely Swiss cheese while he was at PSU, however, he has way too many flaws that were there regardless of the OL.
Maybe, just maybe, he's not that good. He has yet to prove his tools equal why it takes to be successful at any level.
As I explained in a later post.....I chose to focus on his positives and give deference to his loyal service at PSU. Potential will only take you so far.
The guy that looks great at the driving range often struggles on a golf course.
He just isn't consistent. You can't be an NFL QB without being consistent. Poor/lazy footwork kills him.
Hack is 22 years old. Under normal circumstances, he would be a redshirt senior and still in college. No reason to bash him or write him off yet.
What is frustrating is that he is not progressing. He is still falling into the bad habits he had at PSU. There are things that he should be better at (footwork) at this point.
wow, for all the mud slung at Kaepernick not being "talented" enough to be a starting QB - and the critics who cite his record over the last 2 seasons in SF - no one seems to be harping on the fact that McCown is 2-20 as a starter in the NFL.
hack just really hasnt developed at all and a lot of the things he struggles at, cant be taught (pocket presence etc.)
Tannehill isn't a bust imo...he played well last year and looked to be good this year until he got hurt.
Mc Cown doesn't have a clown car following him around. The NY media would have a feast if Kaepernick was there, which is exactly why he isn't there.
The savvy franchises chose not to take him in the 2nd round. Most draft predictions had Hack going in the 4th round not 2nd.
Interesting article on how Hack got selected in 2nd round. Houston trading up spooked Jets GM.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...rafted-christian-hackenberg-article-1.3450117
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...rafted-christian-hackenberg-article-1.3450117
IDK, watched a little of the game and from what I saw Hack had no protection and no where to go with the ball. Not a good situation for any QB trying to develop and get started in the league. So many of these lower tier teams go through high-draft QBs when no one would be successful with such a poor supporting cast.
The scary thing that NFL scouts take very seriously is does the kid progress.
Hack's best year since we have known him was as a true freshman in college.
He has gone down hill since. Not a good thing.
(disclaimer: How dare I say anything negative about anyone associated with PSU, even if its true and done in a respectful manner)
Christian is a great kid. PSU was very lucky he chose to come here and stay. He gave a sense of credibility to PSU when it was needed most. Having said that, his struggles went beyond OL and coaching issues. I hope that he finds the keys to unlocking his magnificent physical potential.
I think most of the NFL was stunned that the Jets grabbed him so soon. He is still young and perhaps he will get more time.
And that was with a relatively unknown (at the time) Allen Robinson who went on to become an NFL All Pro receiver.
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What I remember was going into his 3rd year (which ended up being his final year at PSU) alot of NFL people had him going as a high pick like top 10.
As the draft approached his stock fell to the 4th / 5th round.
In the perfect world he could have benefited by coming back another year but it was clear him and Franklin were not on the same page.
May I stress that this is just my opinion, but it was time for both to seek their fortunes. If Hack came back I believe the spring would have been an open competition at QB.
Every year there are about 300 players that that we hear about from scouts as being top ten picks. It's long before they have been really scrutinized.
All I think about with Hack is my brother in law(not a college football fan) sitting next to me watching penn state games(my family is all PSU) for 3 years just saying "Hackenberg sucks, they'll be good once he is gone." I would defend Hack and say the line was the problem, etc. He would just say "Hack sucks."
Hackenberg leaves, we go to the Rose-Bowl, mcSorley is a revelation.............."told you, Hackenberg sucks." My Bro in law is a Giants fan, watching jets preseason games the last couple weeks at family barbecues and seeing Hack throw pick 6's.........."Hackenberg SUcks dude." Its become really difficult since Hack's freshman year(mostly) to have a counterargument to it besides "he was a good penn stater when we needed him."
But for a while I have sort of had a feeling that my bro-in law was right. Lazy footwork, bad misses on easy throws, unaware pocket presence, poor accuracy. Its tough to say it, but Hack might just kind of suck at football. Good kid, handsome, decent student perhaps......kind of sucks at football. Was really graded out as a poor college QB...very bad NFL QB by all reasonable measures. Still young enough to be good? Maybe, but most likley no.
Hackenberg leaves, we go to the Rose-Bowl, mcSorley is a revelation.............."told you, Hackenberg sucks." My Bro in law is a Giants fan, watching jets preseason games the last couple weeks at family barbecues and seeing Hack throw pick 6's.........."Hackenberg SUcks dude." Its become really difficult since Hack's freshman year(mostly) to have a counterargument to it besides "he was a good penn stater when we needed him."
But for a while I have sort of had a feeling that my bro-in law was right. Lazy footwork, bad misses on easy throws, unaware pocket presence, poor accuracy. Its tough to say it, but Hack might just kind of suck at football. Good kid, handsome, decent student perhaps......kind of sucks at football. Was really graded out as a poor college QB...very bad NFL QB by all reasonable measures. Still young enough to be good? Maybe, but most likley no.
Was a huge fan of Hacks at PSU when deciding to stick with Penn State when he could have bolted. However, it really rubbed me the wrong way after the TaxSlayer Bowl by what he said and did not say.
Franklin took all of that heat because Hack looked terrible at PSU after CFJ arrived. NFL coaches can't even make Hackenberg look like an average NFL backup.
I said it when CJF arrived in Happy Valley. If he could have benched Hack for a guy that fits his system (dual-threat QB), he would have. But just imagine how much heat CJF would have taken if he took the keys to the offense away from Hack, who was the face of Penn State football at the time for staying true during sanctions.
Franklin took all of that heat because Hack looked terrible at PSU after CFJ arrived. NFL coaches can't even make Hackenberg look like an average NFL backup.
I said it when CJF arrived in Happy Valley. If he could have benched Hack for a guy that fits his system (dual-threat QB), he would have. But just imagine how much heat CJF would have taken if he took the keys to the offense away from Hack, who was the face of Penn State football at the time for staying true during sanctions.
Hack was fortunate to have receivers like Allen Robinson and Chris Godwin as targets on the roster at PSU. He has nothing like those two on the Jets. I think ARob made our QBs and Bill O'Brien look much better than they are.
It's an uphill battle no matter what QB starts for NYJ.
It's an uphill battle no matter what QB starts for NYJ.
