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Martin Scorsese releases TWO WORD statement to blacks regarding Oscar Boycott...

Spike Lee isn't going to the Oscars because there aren't enough black nominees. The question is, why would Spike Lee go to the Oscars regardless of who the nominees are? Why would anyone go to the Oscars, period?

Spike Lee is boycotting the Oscars and going to a Knicks game that night instead. If you wanted to make a parody movie making fun of the people that make movies you wouldn't have to, rather all you'd have to do is watch what they actually do in real life. You can't write stuff that pokes fun at them more than their actual behavior does.

I like South Park in general but one reason I really like the guys that do it is because the year they were nominated for Best Song when their movie came out they went to the Oscars in drag and treated it the silliness it deserves.

 
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IMHO the most egregious one was Martin Landau in Crimes & Misdemeanors losing to Denzel in Glory (Landau was the LEAD, how did he get the nod for supporting??), then screwing over Sam Jackson in 1994. LOL. what comes around goes around.

sheeoot, Sam was mystifying in Hateful 8. that whole cast deserved nominations. glad at least JJL was recognized, though she will likely lose to Kate Winslet

that being said, there are many snubs and examples of the Oscars just having poor taste. However, it does not account for EVERY role of color being summarily ignored 2 years in a row . . .

Well, when was the last time a comedic performance was nominated and won in any acting category? Rarer than minority noms/wins though just as deserving - not everyone can do comedy.
 
Well, when was the last time a comedic performance was nominated and won in any acting category? Rarer than minority noms/wins though just as deserving - not everyone can do comedy.

Landau's role in C&M was dramatic, not comedic. he delivered one of the most chilling lines I've ever heard in a film.
 
Landau's role in C&M was dramatic, not comedic. he delivered one of the most chilling lines I've ever heard in a film.

Oh, I know - I was just putting that out there to illustrate the Academy's snubs extend beyond what someone looks like.
 
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here's another look at things:

African-Americans make up about 13% of the US population

20 have been nominated for Best Actor, with multiple nominations for Sidney Poitier (2), Morgan Freeman (3), Denzel Washington (4), and Will Smith (2). so only 13 different African-American actors have been NOMINATED for Best Actor in the 88 years of the Academy Awards.

If we assume 5 nominees in the category each year, that means 20 nomination out of a possible 440 nominations have gone to African American actors, or approx 4.5%

only 10 African American actresses have been nominated for Best Actress. NONE have been nominated more than once. Only Halle Berry has WON.

17 nominations in the Best Supporting Actor category, and again multiple nods to the same actors (Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington). Only 4 have won.

19 nominations for Best Supporting Actress, none more than once. 6 total wins in 88 years.
 
here's another look at things:

African-Americans make up about 13% of the US population

20 have been nominated for Best Actor, with multiple nominations for Sidney Poitier (2), Morgan Freeman (3), Denzel Washington (4), and Will Smith (2). so only 13 different African-American actors have been NOMINATED for Best Actor in the 88 years of the Academy Awards.

If we assume 5 nominees in the category each year, that means 20 nomination out of a possible 440 nominations have gone to African American actors, or approx 4.5%

only 10 African American actresses have been nominated for Best Actress. NONE have been nominated more than once. Only Halle Berry has WON.

17 nominations in the Best Supporting Actor category, and again multiple nods to the same actors (Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington). Only 4 have won.

19 nominations for Best Supporting Actress, none more than once. 6 total wins in 88 years.

Those stats while alarming, don't mean much in the context of this discussion for me. It would be better to know what the ethnic composition of the Screen Actors Guild was, and then go from there. My guess is it may reflect similarly to the U.S. population, but maybe not. Is the NBA racist because nearly 75% of their players are African American? And using the aggregate of nominations for the Oscars is probably not a good measuring stick either considering roles for African American actors were few and far between for most of the Academy's existence. I think it goes without saying some great performances have been ignored, but off the top of my head I can't think of too many (more issues with Best Picture wins I think - especially with regard to Spike Lee's 'Do The Right Thing' losing to 'Driving Miss Daisy' in '89 I think). My guess is that Hollywood is in desperate need of catching up with the times. Moreover, what's lost in all this boycott talk is the roles studios play in promoting their films/actors for awards, something the Weinstein's are famous for. I think for both Creed and Straight Outta Compton there was very little Oscar buzz before their release (honestly, if you knew there was going to be a Rocky spin-off, would you be thinking 'I need to see this because it will be relevant when the Oscars are announced!' - no) and they've been trying to play catch-up ever since Jordan and Mitchell are being mentioned as 'snubs'. In addition, most critics were not lauding either film as 'Best Picture' worthy, which, IMO, automatically means no Best Director nomination (though that's not always the case - I remember when The Prince of Tides was nominated for every single award save Best Director). Moreover, there have been quite a few films recently to showcase outstanding work by African Americans - 12 Years a Slave, Fruitville Station, Beasts of the Southern Wild, and The Help. And as bad as it is for African American actors, consider what it's like for Asians or other minorities. Has any Asian ever been nominated for an acting award?

I guess my point is the Academy is filled with lots of subjective people who are essentially recognizing and awarding 'performance as art.' Not everyone views art the same nor should they. The bigger issue here is with Hollywood and studio heads who do not make more opportunities available for minorities. My God, casting Emma Stone as HALF-HAWAIIAN HALF-CHINESE in the film Aloha should tell you everything you need to know about Hollywood's whitewashing issue.

I also found it interesting that Fresh Prince star Janet Hubert called out Will Smith and Jada Pinkett-Smith, who along with Spike Lee are the celebrity faces of this 'boycott', for their hypocrisy. My guess is that if Will Smith gets a nomination, no one says one word about 'diversity' or 'boycott':

In the video, you say that the calls to boycott the Academy Awards are “not that deep.” What do you mean by that?

We are not brain surgeons. We are not curing cancer. We are not finding the next cure for Alzheimer's. We are simply and merely entertainment. We take on and wear the masks of characters. That's what we're paid to do. Someone like Will Smith has not come up through the ranks like most actors, so for him to be complaining the most is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.

So you’re not saying diversity in Hollywood isn’t an issue?

We’re all complaining about diversity in Hollywood, but we’ve got to address the colorism within the black community of Hollywood first. I’m called “dark-skinned Aunt Viv.” [Reid] is called “light-skinned Aunt Viv.” The whole ridiculousness of black Hollywood — there is no black Hollywood. It’s every man for himself. We’ve got to address that first before we can start attacking someone else’s awards that were never designed for us.

The Oscars were never designed for us. There are actors who have never gotten an Oscar and have done amazing work. If you are waiting for an award of a little ... gold statue and that’s supposed to validate you, then you're not in this business for the right reasons. We do the work. It’s about the work. It’s about taking the pages of a script and bringing them to life. It ain’t that deep. We get paid a lot of money to do very little work.
 
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I guess my point is the Academy is filled with lots of subjective people who are essentially recognizing and awarding 'performance as art.' Not everyone views art the same nor should they. The bigger issue here is with Hollywood and studio heads who do not make more opportunities available for minorities. My God, casting Emma Stone as HALF-HAWAIIAN HALF-CHINESE in the film Aloha should tell you everything you need to know about Hollywood's whitewashing issue.

a lot of good points, but I am just going to focus on this.

it really is a lot about casting to make a profit. I can think of at least a dozen stories I have heard in interviews with black filmmakers and actors related to this topic

I remember Todd McFarlane changing a key character in Spawn from African American in the comics to white (DB Sweeney) in the movie because the studio said they would approve more money for the budget with a white actor.

I also heard Mario Van Peebles say that when he was pitching Panther to studios, one exec said they would approve a higher budget if one of the Black Panthers were white, LOL.

and I am not trying to trash you dude, but look how EASILY you started to dispute the meaning of these numbers. I've heard much more obnoxious replies. it's like the last thing we can accept is there is still endemic racism in this country, so we have to immediately question any accusations of racism. :p
 
a lot of good points, but I am just going to focus on this.

it really is a lot about casting to make a profit. I can think of at least a dozen stories I have heard in interviews with black filmmakers and actors related to this topic

I remember Todd McFarlane changing a key character in Spawn from African American in the comics to white (DB Sweeney) in the movie because the studio said they would approve more money for the budget with a white actor.

I also heard Mario Van Peebles say that when he was pitching Panther to studios, one exec said they would approve a higher budget if one of the Black Panthers were white, LOL.

and I am not trying to trash you dude, but look how EASILY you started to dispute the meaning of these numbers. I've heard much more obnoxious replies. it's like the last thing we can accept is there is still endemic racism in this country, so we have to immediately question any accusations of racism. :p

Well, I need more context when presented with statistics before a rush to judgment or accusation of all out racism. I remember in the military during a JAG course our instructor informed us that 100% of all crimes at the U.S. Army War College for a certain year were committed by African Americans. We were then asked to comment on that alarming statistic. After some debate, the instructor then informed us that there was in fact only one crime committed that year, and the culprit happened to be African American. Certainly changes the point of view a bit, doesn't it? Anyway, I don't disagree with you at all; my point is that the Academy can only vote on what's out there - Hollywood has to make it available, and the actors/directors/writers have to perform. To that end, I guess I agree with George Clooney most on this issue:

If you think back 10 years ago, the Academy was doing a better job. Think about how many more African Americans were nominated. I would also make the argument, I don’t think it’s a problem of who you’re picking as much as it is: How many options are available to minorities in film, particularly in quality films?

I think we have a lot of points we need to come to terms with. I find it amazing that we’re an industry that in the 1930s, most of our leads were women. And now a woman over 40 has a very difficult time being a lead in a movie. We’re seeing some movement. Jennifer Lawrence and Patricia Arquette have made the loud pronouncement about wage disparity, have put a stamp on the idea that we got to pay attention. But we should have been paying attention long before this. I think that African Americans have a real fair point that the industry isn’t representing them well enough. I think that’s absolutely true.

Let’s look back at some of the nominees. I think around 2004, certainly there were black nominees — like Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman. And all of a sudden, you feel like we’re moving in the wrong direction. There were nominations left off the table. There were four films this year: “Creed” could have gotten nominations; “Concussion” could have gotten Will Smith a nomination; Idris Elba could have been nominated for “Beasts of No Nation;” and “Straight Outta Compton” could have been nominated. And certainly last year, with “Selma” director Ava DuVernay — I think that it’s just ridiculous not to nominate her.

But honestly, there should be more opportunity than that. There should be 20 or 30 or 40 films of the quality that people would consider for the Oscars. By the way, we’re talking about African Americans. For Hispanics, it’s even worse. We need to get better at this. We used to be better at it.


I'll also add this - the single best, most well acted scene I've seen in years is a two minute monologue from Genesis Rodriguez in the little viewed Kevin Smith 'horror' film 'Tusk' (which is surprisingly entertaining). How this woman isn't getting more work is beyond me...

 
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Clooney will always be the classy elder statesman of Hollywood. Agree with his statement completely.

but again, I gave a broad historical look at the Oscars, and you countered with a singular statistical reply. just contemplate on that.
 
Clooney will always be the classy elder statesman of Hollywood. Agree with his statement completely.

but again, I gave a broad historical look at the Oscars, and you countered with a singular statistical reply. just contemplate on that.

My 'single statistical reply' was to illustrate that numbers without more context are meaningless. Certainly, your suggestion that the ethnic composition of writers/directors/actors in Hollywood is equal to the actual statistical make up of the United States is a guess on your part; using my NBA analogy as an example, it's simply a fact that not all businesses in the United States accurately reflect the ethnic composition of the U.S. population as a whole. Historically, Hollywood has been white, so to mention it's early years where there were few, if any, minority actors working in film and 'not' receiving nominations is kind of pointless, isn't it? I mean, the Oscars have been around since 1928 - before the Civil Rights movement and before Jackie Robinson and baseball - and they awarded an Oscar to African American actress Hattie McDaniel in 1939. Still, she was an anomaly; there simply weren't many African Americans working in Hollywood at that time - you can't recognize work that isn't there, you know? Until Dorothy Dandridge and Sydney Poitier burst on the scene in the late 50's, there just weren't a lot of opportunities. I think more recently, and this year, with more opportunities and more actors, there are stronger cases to be made. Certainly, irrespective of statistics, minorities as a whole are alarmingly underrepresented in film - again, that's a Hollywood problem. But again, this is what you get when your voting body is 90% white males aged 63. What is the Hollywood Foreign Press's excuse?
 
My 'single statistical reply' was to illustrate that numbers without more context are meaningless. Certainly, your suggestion that the ethnic composition of writers/directors/actors in Hollywood is equal to the actual statistical make up of the United States is a guess on your part; using my NBA analogy as an example, it's simply a fact that not all businesses in the United States accurately reflect the ethnic composition of the U.S. population as a whole. Historically, Hollywood has been white, so to mention it's early years where there were few, if any, minority actors working in film and 'not' receiving nominations is kind of pointless, isn't it? I mean, the Oscars have been around since 1928 - before the Civil Rights movement and before Jackie Robinson and baseball - and they awarded an Oscar to African American actress Hattie McDaniel in 1939. Still, she was an anomaly; there simply weren't many African Americans working in Hollywood at that time - you can't recognize work that isn't there, you know? Until Dorothy Dandridge and Sydney Poitier burst on the scene in the late 50's, there just weren't a lot of opportunities. I think more recently, and this year, with more opportunities and more actors, there are stronger cases to be made. Certainly, irrespective of statistics, minorities as a whole are alarmingly underrepresented in film - again, that's a Hollywood problem. But again, this is what you get when your voting body is 90% white males aged 63. What is the Hollywood Foreign Press's excuse?

no what you did is counter my post on a broad set of statistics by citing an non-analogous example that only used one data point.

and you are continuing to try and bolster your point that the academy isn't racist by citing decades of the academy being racist. LOL, just give it up dude, you're making yourself look bad.

but here's a clue on what's wrong:

Sony hacked email reveals "Denzel doesn't sell overseas"
 
no what you did is counter my post on a broad set of statistics by citing an non-analogous example that only used one data point.

and you are continuing to try and bolster your point that the academy isn't racist by citing decades of the academy being racist. LOL, just give it up dude, you're making yourself look bad.

but here's a clue on what's wrong:

Sony hacked email reveals "Denzel doesn't sell overseas"

You're confusing 'the Academy' with 'Hollywood'. And you're trying to use a set of statistics (the population of the Unites States and it's ethnic composition) that is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make because a) we've established that American businesses/industry do not always accurately reflect the ethnic composition of America's population, and b) the ethnic composition of America today is much different than it was over the span of the broad data set you are trying to use to prove your point (unless African Americans made up only 13% of the population in America for 80+ years). Moreover, you have yet to establish how or why that criteria is suitable as the basis for determining why more minority films/performances are 'snubbed' by the Academy - Holmes would call that inductive reasoning. With Hollywood, like the NBA, there is a 'barrier to entry' - that is to say not every person in America is qualified for the job. And we already know Hollywood is of the opinion that minority leads hurt their box office and saw it most recently with the marketing of Star Wars in China:

Notice anything?

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Anyway, my point is that if the work is good, the Academy typically recognizes it. In 2014 there was a minority nominated for Best Actor, Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Director, and Best Picture, where 12 Years a Slave won with a predominately minority cast. I agree Hollywood must do more to provide opportunities for all minorities, not just African Americans, but I stop just shy at calling the Oscars racist. Clueless and out of touch? For sure.

But at the risk of continuing to look bad, I'll just stop.
 
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