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Matt Sandusky to speak at Lewisburg HS on April 27

I got really interested when I read this part:

"His own story has come under scrutiny of doubters who sought to discredit his claims, pointing to inconsistencies in his statements and that he was adopted at age 18, after the abuse is said to have occurred. They also point to the $59 million paid out by the university and split among 26 accusers, including Matthew Sandusky."

I was expecting that he would address the issues... Why would he bring them up and not address them, especially if he wants us to believe his story?
 
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This jerk jolly sociopath, burglar, assaulter, arsonist is not to be believed. The question is, why was he paid when Penn State had no culpability for this asshole. He was paid to keep his mouth shut about TSM.
 
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Misder2 said:
I find this fascinating, what lies ?

I am the last person in the world to defend this guy but I truly am curious.
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Misder2 said:
I find this fascinating, what lies ?

I am the last person in the world to defend this guy but I truly am curious.
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He either lied when he testified at the Grand Jury or he is lying now. Either way he is a liar. IMHO, his credibility is suspect.
 
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Nittany Ned2 said:
Speaking of PSU handing out money. Has it ever been considered that PSU was in part handing out the money to all claimants because it helped buttress the OG's & Corbett's "false narrative"

John Q Public - "It must be true, why would PSU pay out ten's of millions of dollars if it wasn't?"
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Could very well be. Either that or because the executive leadership were a bunch of simps.
 
JMHO but Matt is in a unique position to start a national discussion on the failures of PA licensed child welfare professionals such as caseworkers that did home studies, certain Second Mile professionals (I'm looking at you Dr. Jack Raykovitz), PA jurists, Pa DPW/DHS and other child welfare professionals that were a part of this.

I find it most distressing that these individuals that were entrusted to protect and serve kids - under the already established rules and PA state mandate - have left this all to completely burn on the doorstep of Penn State and are currently engaged in their own Conspiracy of Silence. Especially those that don't want to turn off the spigot to funding from the likes of PCCD & PSU.

For these professionals to allow Louis Freeh's "cover up" narrative to anchor itself (and cause so much personal, professional and financial damage) completely flies in the face of his own FBI's published research on this matter. The media is zero help as well.

So we still have to ask - are kids any "safer" when in the company of Nice Guy/Gal Offenders - who we know damned well are in our youth serving organizations - after all this? <climbs down off of soapbox>
 
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Art said:
Excuse me? As far as I know, Matt hasn't blamed anyone other than Jerry for what happened to him. Yes, he took money from Penn State, but given how they were handing it out, who can blame him?
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I understand why he did what he did, but I believe he has contributed to the fiasco that has taken place and blame him for harming Penn State, Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, and his father.

When he flipped, IMO it caused a dysfunctional defense team to go off the deep end. For fear of MS being called as a rebuttal witness, the defense decided to go back on their promise for JS to testify in his own defense. This amounted to essentially throwing in the towel. In hindsight, it seems that had MS testified he would have had some credibility issues raised during cross examination. Also, I am sure that JS now regrets not testifying in his own defense independent of whether or not his son testified.
 
Nittany Ned2 said:
Speaking of PSU handing out money. Has it ever been considered that PSU was in part handing out the money to all claimants because it helped buttress the OG's & Corbett's "false narrative"

John Q Public - "It must be true, why would PSU pay out ten's of millions of dollars if it wasn't?"
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That's part of it, the rest regards TSM and OG BoT.
 
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francofan said:
I understand why he did what he did, but I believe he has contributed to the fiasco that has taken place and blame him for harming Penn State, Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, and his father.

When he flipped, IMO it caused a dysfunctional defense team to go off the deep end. For fear of MS being called as a rebuttal witness, the defense decided to go back on their promise for JS to testify in his own defense. This amounted to essentially throwing in the towel. In hindsight, it seems that had MS testified he would have had some credibility issues raised during cross examination. Also, I am sure that JS now regrets not testifying in his own defense independent of whether or not his son testified.
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Sorry, none of that is Matt's fault. As far as what happened to Jerry, **** Jerry.
 
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wensilver said:
JMHO but Matt is in a unique position to start a national discussion on the failures of PA licensed child welfare professionals such as caseworkers that did home studies, certain Second Mile professionals (I'm looking at you Dr. Jack Raykovitz), PA jurists, Pa DPW/DHS and other child welfare professionals that were a part of this.

I find it most distressing that these individuals that were entrusted to protect and serve kids - under the already established rules and PA state mandate - have left this all to completely burn on the doorstep of Penn State and are currently engaged in their own Conspiracy of Silence. Especially those that don't want to turn off the spigot to funding from the likes of PCCD & PSU.

For these professionals to allow Louis Freeh's "cover up" narrative to anchor itself (and cause so much personal, professional and financial damage) completely flies in the face of his own FBI's published research on this matter. The media is zero help as well.

So we still have to ask - are kids any "safer" when in the company of Nice Guy/Gal Offenders - who we know damned well are in our youth serving organizations - after all this? <climbs down off of soapbox>
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I expect MS could be in a unique position to start a positive discussion.......

However, I also believe he "aided and abetted" in the anchoring of the Freeh narrative (when, after remaining silent prior to, and during, the JS trial, he took blood money from PSU.)

So......where does that leave MS?

It doesn't speak well to his character, for certain - - - - but, is that a by-product of abuse? Or simply a manifestation of poor character?

IDK.....and I am not sure how we could ever expect to answer that question with any clarity (much like 1,000 other questions in this entire fiasco)
 
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Misder2 said:
I find this fascinating, what lies ?

I am the last person in the world to defend this guy but I truly am curious.
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Matt either lied under oath and knowingly tried to get someone he knew was a pedophile set free or he lied about the abuse he was subject to and took a multi million dollar settlement for "butterfly kisses on his stomach" when he was a child. If he was indeed abuse he fought for the right to take his own kids to visit someone he knew was a pedophile.

The fact that the OGBOT has never been seriously questioned about why Matt was given a huge financial settlement for abuse that he no claims took place six years prior to the 1998 incident is beyond puzzling. How exactly was PSU responsible for his supposed abuse?
 
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nittanydave1 said:
Matt either lied under oath and knowingly tried to get someone he knew was a pedophile set free or he lied about the abuse he was subject to and took a multi million dollar settlement for "butterfly kisses on his stomach" when he was a child. If he was indeed abuse he fought for the right to take his own kids to visit someone he knew was a pedophile.

The fact that the OGBOT has never been seriously questioned about why Matt was given a huge financial settlement for abuse that he no claims took place six years prior to the 1998 incident is beyond puzzling. How exactly was PSU responsible for his supposed abuse?
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I know there are folks - folk who I have a lot of respect for - who speak relatively highly wrt MS's contemporaneous work.
If for no other reason, that makes me inclined to want to critically consider all aspects to his situation.


At the same time, if MS truly has/had "noble intentions":

If you think there is some "cause of action" wrt PSU - - - and the goal is to further the mission of fighting against CSA - - - don't you pursue, and illuminate, that cause of action wrt PSU? Rather than accept $$$ in exchange for silence?
Whatever he "says" now certainly does not - and should not - be granted the weighting that would have been merited by pursuing his cause in a court of law......IMO
 
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StinkStankStunk said:
I expect MS could be in a unique position to start a positive discussion.......

However, I also believe he "aided and abetted" in the anchoring of the Freeh narrative (when, after remaining silent prior to, and during, the JS trial, he took blood money from PSU.)

So......where does that leave MS?

It doesn't speak well to his character, for certain - - - - but, is that a by-product of abuse? Or simply a manifestation of poor character?

IDK.....and I am not sure how we could ever expect to answer that question with any clarity (much like 1,000 other questions in this entire fiasco)
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If Matt's vacillation was contrived and intentional, you have a point. How can we know for sure?
 
Art said:
If Matt's vacillation was contrived and intentional, you have a point. How can we know for sure?
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Exactly my thoughts.....and I don't have an answer.

Although, I would also add - - - if we accept each and every statement he now makes, at face value - - - wouldn't he have had a much stronger ability to make a positive impact if he HAD NOT accepted blood money for silence?
If he had instead, pursued his causes of actions in a courtroom......moving forward with the whole "deposition/evidence gathering/examination, cross-examination" process. Isn't that the expectation of what someone concerned with "exposing the causes of CSA" (or however he wants to position things now) would do?
 
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LundyPSU said:
Wonder when we will hear from the other Sandusky adopted kids
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and if one spoke out against JS now, would he be a liar then or a liar now. There is really no question in my mind that MS was abused. Law enforcement knew he would flip as did the defense team. In my humble opinion he is a liar and a victim of abuse. Cause and effect? I don't know
 
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Nittany Ned2 said:
Yes....like so much of this fiasco, the silence is rather peculiar.

I get the feeling that so many people who are holding pieces of the real life puzzle are waiting for someone else to move first namely, the Paterno suit and the C/S/S cases. When the dam finally breaks there is going to be a torrent of people and information coming forward.
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I expect that is likely the case
 
Misder2 said:
and if one spoke out against JS now, would he be a liar then or a liar now. There is really no question in my mind that MS was abused. Law enforcement knew he would flip as did the defense team. In my humble opinion he is a liar and a victim of abuse. Cause and effect? I don't know
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I think Matt was abused, much like I truly believe AF was abused

by whom seems to be the great mystery of the universe . . .
 
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pandaczar12 said:
I got really interested when I read this part:

"His own story has come under scrutiny of doubters who sought to discredit his claims, pointing to inconsistencies in his statements and that he was adopted at age 18, after the abuse is said to have occurred. They also point to the $59 million paid out by the university and split among 26 accusers, including Matthew Sandusky."

I was expecting that he would address the issues... Why would he bring them up and not address them, especially if he wants us to believe his story?
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Another benefit of being adopted at 18 was he became ward of the Sandusky's which entitled him to drastically reduced tuition, etc. from the university.
 
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StinkStankStunk said:
Exactly my thoughts.....and I don't have an answer.

Although, I would also add - - - if we accept each and every statement he now makes, at face value - - - wouldn't he have had a much stronger ability to make a positive impact if he HAD NOT accepted blood money for silence?
If he had instead, pursued his causes of actions in a courtroom......moving forward with the whole "deposition/evidence gathering/examination, cross-examination" process. Isn't that the expectation of what someone concerned with "exposing the causes of CSA" (or however he wants to position things now) would do?
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Why was Penn State culpable for Matt? Answer that Art. There's no proof he was abused on Penn State property. I've never seen such BS. No dates, no empirical evidence, no witnesses.

Utter BS.
 
Marshall30 said:
Why was Penn State culpable for Matt? Answer that Art. There's no proof he was abused on Penn State property. I've never seen such BS. No dates, no empirical evidence, no witnesses.

Utter BS.
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Nittany Ned2 said:
Yes....like so much of this fiasco, the silence is rather peculiar.

I get the feeling that so many people who are holding pieces of the real life puzzle are waiting for someone else to move first namely, the Paterno suit and the C/S/S cases. When the dam finally breaks there is going to be a torrent of people and information coming forward.
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Marshall30 said:
Why was Penn State culpable for Matt? Answer that Art. There's no proof he was abused on Penn State property. I've never seen such BS. No dates, no empirical evidence, no witnesses.

Utter BS.
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I probably shouldn't assume.....but I think Art's position is more or less that it isn't MS's "fault" that he took the $$$ PSU was handing out - - - - that was PSU's fault.

And that is - IMO - a VERY valid point.
 
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I probably shouldn't assume.....but I think Art's position is more or less that it isn't MS's "fault" that he took the $$$ PSU was handing out - - - - that was PSU's fault.

And that is - IMO - a VERY valid point.
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That's absurd. He took money he wasn't entitled to, and that Penn State wasn't culpable for.

Good grief.
 
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Nittany Ned2 said:
Yes....like so much of this fiasco, the silence is rather peculiar.

I get the feeling that so many people who are holding pieces of the real life puzzle are waiting for someone else to move first namely, the Paterno suit and the C/S/S cases. When the dam finally breaks there is going to be a torrent of people and information coming forward.
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They have not been silent, but they have been low key. I believe this is because of the toxicity of the case and not wanting to cause any problems at work or with their employers.

I agree with your analogy of the dam breaking. When C/S/S are exonerated or the alumni BOT members/Paterno family debunk the Freeh Report, I believe that there will be a lot more information coming out and then the media will be forced to accept that they got at least a good part of the story wrong.
 
Misder2 said:
and if one spoke out against JS now, would he be a liar then or a liar now. There is really no question in my mind that MS was abused. Law enforcement knew he would flip as did the defense team. In my humble opinion he is a liar and a victim of abuse. Cause and effect? I don't know
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I understand vetting potential victims of child abuse is highly criticized. But is it typical for a person who was abused as a small child to beg his abuser to adopt him years later when he is almost an adult. Do victims of abuse often fight so their own children can visit with their alleged abuser?
 
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Marshall30 said:
That's absurd. He took money he wasn't entitled to, and that Penn State wasn't culpable for.

Good grief.
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I'm not breaking out the Medal Box for MS

I was just trying to make the point that there is a valid argument that the "wrong" is primarily with the folks handing out millions of OUR dollars - more so than the guy willing to put it in his pocket

It's a relative thing, and subject to debate, but I think it's a valid argument
 
[QUOTE="ThePennsyOracle, post: 1702545, member: 34625"||||[/QUOTE]
Matt is a known pathological liar. If you want to choose to believe the lies that's on you.
 
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Matt is a known pathological liar. If you want to choose to believe the lies that's on you.[/QUOTE]

My comment had nothing to do with believing or not believing Matt.

It had everything to do with the fact that you're an antagonistic troll whose posts only serve to make fun of Penn State.
 
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