The team has the potential to get into the tournament and make a deep run. It is better for them to play motivated than get overconfident from outside recognition. Plus, if they continue to win the appropriate ranking will follow.
MBB drops 1 spot...I think it’s a good thing
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Seems kind of meaningless to me. Basically the same rank as before. They played a zero win team and a one win team in the last two weeks and there was no reason for them to move much
Did Wisconsin lose and move ahead of them.
How much more "motivated" are they going to be as the 21st ranked team? As opposed to if they were ranked 20th or 19th?
Presumably the motivation would come from being disrespected by being dropped a spot despite winning. Who knows if the kids would care or not. I’d assume they know what they need to do regardless of ranking and I doubt they give it one thought after tip-off of the next game.
They need to get into the tournament....if they don’t this year, it’s going to be a long time before they do.
I hope one of them comes this Saturday at the Palestra.
Need to go about .500 in conference. 11-9 and we’d look good. 10-10 and we might sweat our first game in the Big Ten tournament. 9-11 and we would need to make a run possibly.
Our AP rank is meaningless. Our NET ranking jumped to number 15. That's the ranking that gets you into the tournament. .500 in conference and we are not even on the bubble
20-12 with a ~8th/9th place Big Ten finish and a loss in the 8/9 game would make for a stressful selection Sunday. No way that is a “lock”.
10-10 would not be a 9th place finish. Look at our resume... We already have multiple quad 1 wins, 0 bad losses, multiple quad 2 wins... And 10 more good wins to come in that scenario. We are number 15 in the net rankings right now. 10-10 is a lock. Not all 20-win seasons and records are even, but if we get 20 wins with our ooc performance we will be in the tournament. PC schedule well this year
That scenario involves 9 more wins. 5 could come over NW/Nebraska/Rutgers. Say we sweep Minnesota and beat Illinois and Wisconsin. That could mean we don’t beat another NCAA team this year. Not a lock by any means, especially if teams like Cuse/Gtown/Bama/Wake/Miss finish in the bottom half of their conferences (Pomeroy doesn’t have any of them going better than .500).
Unusual that Cuse, Gtown, Wake are all historical powerhouses, but are all really mediocre this year. I'm nervous about RU coming up. Normally a win, could be a tough game next week.
As of last week, Seth Davis had PSU out of his Top 25. He must be TV's BB version of Joe Klatt.
https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/grid/2019/week-8
https://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/grid/2019/week-8
If you don't think it seems right, how would you have felt if we beat Ohio State and didn't move up? You can't look at these things in a vacuum. You have to look at what the teams around you did and West Virginia certainly deserved to move up ahead of us.
Of course, that was only the second P5 school that WVU has even played this year, so there’s that.
WVU thumped a highly ranked team that thumped us and should be ranked above us at this point in time, so there's that, too.
It doesn't have to be a tournament team to be a good win on your resume. Lots of quad two teams do not make the tournament, and lots of quad 1 road teams do not make the tournament either. 9 more wins, even against lower competition, would give our resume some more good wins. That being said, we will beat some good teams at the Bryce Jordan center - it happens every year, let alone when we're as talented as we are this year. Any road Big ten win is a good win, as well. I'm worried about @ RU.
Forget the fact that this is Penn State, this is a good basketball team.
WVU’s resume isn’t good right now?
2 point road loss at St John’s, road win over Pitt, neutral court wins over Wichita St, Ohio St, and Northern Iowa, home wins over Rhode Island and Akron. Top 10-15 in predictive metrics, top 10 in the NET.
They look really good, which makes me happy because we struggled with them in a closed-door scrimmage.
If we are sitting at 20-12, 10-10, loss in the 8/9 game, and only 1-2 wins over other tourney teams, we’ll be far from a lock...hopefully it’s all moot and we don’t sweat selection Sunday.
Even to give you the benefit of the doubt over this situation, and have no big wins at home from here on out (which, has a low probability of occuring), AND finishing 8/9 at .500 in conference, that would STILL give us 12-15 Q1/2 wins and ZERO bad losses. That is an NCAA reaume
You’re focusing too much on where teams are today. Don’t see teams like Rutgers and Minnesota finishing nearly as high as where they’re at now. Also worried about how some of our non-conf wins will look in three months.
Our resume is solid today, but the margin of error is still thin moving forward.
Our NET is currently 15. Now that conference play is beginning for everyone, NET rankings can only drop so much - true "bad losses" are mostly taken out of the equation. There is no such thing as a bad loss on the road in the B10, either. No possible Quad 4 losses, very limited quad 3 as well. Teams will not look drastically different (as in worse) on your resume between now and Selection Sunday. GTown is imploding when it comes to players on their roster, but are actually playing better ball now than before. Yale will stay a quad 2 win if/when they run the ivy (after their play at Clemson and UNC, that is not a bold prediction to make). Cuse may drop into the Quad 3 range, but we will see. UMD will stay quad 1. Ole Miss COULD potentially reach Quad 3 as a loss, but being a neutral floor, I really doubt it - there is zero chance that that neutral floor loss would reach Q4. Alabama is currently a Q2 win, but may drop to Q3 - not a big deal. What games specifically are you worried about the perception of come selection time?
RE: Gtown perception - https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...ter-thriving-georgetown-enters-big-east-play/
In the resume below: Win all of the potential Q3/4 games, protect the home court against the Q2 games, and win @ the Palestra on Saturday and that gives you 10-10 with an additional Q1 win. That fairly realistic outlook would most likely have us dancing. Could we be upset in a game or two? Absolutely, but we also should be the benefactor in an upset or two, that is just the way college hoops is. @RU is currently a Q1 game. So, winning that one (will not be easy) would be an additional W. H/A against Minne are both currently Q1 games, so either of those would be an additional W - could the home game against Minne drop to Q3? Sure, but away @ Minne will stay Q1/2. The B10 is stacked this year
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All of those non-conf wins (and the ole Miss loss) worry me. Gtown comes back to earth and likely goes about 8-10 in the Big East (maybe worse). Cuse can end up about 8-12 in the ACC and have a losing record. Wake will finish about 12-18 or 13-17. Bama probably ends up just over .500. We had a better non-conf performance than we’ve had in 20 years, but still not so dominant that it makes us a lock if we end up losing more B1G games than we win.
It would be nice if teams like Gtown/Cuse/Bama/Miss exceed expectations in conference, since there is a chance that the bottom falls out on a few of them (especially Gtown, I liked them in November, but feel they’ve lost too much and could be in for a rough few months, starting today in Providence).
It would be nice if teams like Gtown/Cuse/Bama/Miss exceed expectations in conference, since there is a chance that the bottom falls out on a few of them (especially Gtown, I liked them in November, but feel they’ve lost too much and could be in for a rough few months, starting today in Providence).
Agreed. Have watched PSU a couple of times this year and it's Chambers best team in terms of being good on both offense and defense. Nice combination of experience and athleticism means a good team. Looking forward to the game at the Palestra Saturday (I'm an Iowa fan). Should be a great atmosphere, I would be shocked if Iowa won. Not that Iowa isn't good (they are) but PSU is good and playing in a really good environment on Saturday.
Prov is my second team, so I'm torn in this game. Since Georgetown in Syracuse were not home games, we're pretty safe that they stay out of quad 3 territory, let alone Quad 4 (especially Georgetown, since it was a true road game)
This is the best PSU team I have ever seen in OOC play. I admit that I don’t vividly remember the 95-96 team, but this one is way better than 00–01 or 10-11.
I'm with you on that one. Though, to be picky, 17-18 was better than 10-11. Those guys could ball!
Yes it was. That team had the talent to go beyond the sweet 16. If Carr has stayed I think we’d be the favorite to win the conference right now
The 2010-11 team was nothing special, IMO. They were definitely out prior to the BTT run in the final weekend.
As previously stated, they also beat Wichita State, which is currently ranked, and a couple of other decent teams.
Note that in D1 basketball, there are some pretty good teams outside of the P5, so that means very little at this point in time (early in the season) considering WVU is in a P5 conference. The current AP Poll has non-P5 teams ranked at 1, 9, 10, 11, 13, 20 & 24.
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