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I apologize if this has already been discuss in a different, but I couldn't find one so I thought I would ask. Is there any word yet on how serious his injury is? If he is out for the season (I really hope he isn't), who would be mostly likely to replace him? Can Phipps cut back down to 84 at this point, or is he is too big?
 
I apologize if this has already been discuss in a different, but I couldn't find one so I thought I would ask. Is there any word yet on how serious his injury is? If he is out for the season (I really hope he isn't), who would be mostly likely to replace him? Can Phipps cut back down to 84 at this point, or is he is too big?

MRI is today
 
If it is a PCL injury, which because of the trauma it looked to be and the rumors indicate, they can take anywhere from 2-8 weeks to recover. Usually, even if completely torn, no surgery is required unless something else in the knee was torn also.

6 weeks from last Sat the Big 10's start. If he makes it back just for that, no other matches between now and then, how bad of a seed would he have?
 
If it is a PCL injury, which because of the trauma it looked to be and the rumors indicate, they can take anywhere from 2-8 weeks to recover. Usually, even if completely torn, no surgery is required unless something else in the knee was torn also.

6 weeks from last Sat the Big 10's start. If he makes it back just for that, no other matches between now and then, how bad of a seed would he have?

I am starting to worry a little about this as well. Unfortunately, unlike most of the other starters, MM doesn't have enough matches to qualify for RPI right now. He may be in jeopardy of not qualifying a spot for the B1Gs if he doesn't wrestle any more matches. Which would make it extremely unlikely for him to qualify as a WC, should he get a bad seed and not perform well at B1Gs. If he's out from now until B1Gs and then gets back on the mat for that tournament - well, that's not a great scenario.
 
I am starting to worry a little about this as well. Unfortunately, unlike most of the other starters, MM doesn't have enough matches to qualify for RPI right now. He may be in jeopardy of not qualifying a spot for the B1Gs if he doesn't wrestle any more matches. Which would make it extremely unlikely for him to qualify as a WC, should he get a bad seed and not perform well at B1Gs. If he's out from now until B1Gs and then gets back on the mat for that tournament - well, that's not a great scenario.

Wait, not sure now. I think he has 17 matches (thought he only had 14 when I posted above). IIRC, that was the cut off last year. Not sure how it works, is it the same each year, or even if I'm remembering the match limit correctly. Maybe Roar can add to this.

EDIT - just checked and one of his opponents was non-D1, so I think he only has 16 matches that count. Don't think that is enough.
 
Wait, not sure now. I think he has 17 matches (thought he only had 14 when I posted above). IIRC, that was the cut off last year. Not sure how it works, is it the same each year, or even if I'm remembering the match limit correctly. Maybe Roar can add to this.

EDIT - just checked and one of his opponents was non-D1, so I think he only has 16 matches that count. Don't think that is enough.

PSU website has him at 12-2 so if he doesn't wrestle again until B1Gs he won't have an RPI but he should still be silver standard with his coaches ranking and winning percentage so will almost certainly qualify a spot at 184 for the B1G.
 
Wait, not sure now. I think he has 17 matches (thought he only had 14 when I posted above). IIRC, that was the cut off last year. Not sure how it works, is it the same each year, or even if I'm remembering the match limit correctly. Maybe Roar can add to this.

EDIT - just checked and one of his opponents was non-D1, so I think he only has 16 matches that count. Don't think that is enough.
To have an RPI, a wrestler needs 17 matches at his designated weight class. MFOR don't count, so Matt's more than just 1 below the threshold.

All is not lost, as his win % and Coaches Ranking WILL earn a qualifier slot IF he wrestles at least 1 match in the 30 days prior to the final ranking period. So there's the rub...to get a Coaches Ranking, and a sure Silver Standard, Matt needs 1 match (medical forfeit loss's don't count, medical forfeit wins do) in the 30 days prior to the final ranking.
 
PSU website has him at 12-2 so if he doesn't wrestle again until B1Gs he won't have an RPI but he should still be silver standard with his coaches ranking and winning percentage so will almost certainly qualify a spot at 184 for the B1G.

Roar answers above - he will NOT be in the coaches rankings if he doesn't wrestle before B1Gs.

Regardless, he will have wins over gold standard wrestlers - forgot about that before - so he may be in good position for a WC no matter what.

Just doing some worrying on a monday morning...
 
Roar answers above - he will NOT be in the coaches rankings if he doesn't wrestle before B1Gs.

Regardless, he will have wins over gold standard wrestlers - forgot about that before - so he may be in good position for a WC no matter what.

Just doing some worrying on a monday morning...

How far back do you go? Wildcards have been passé for several years now...old habits die hard, don't they ;).

And regarding the at-large selection, a wrestler better finish his conference tournament one place out of the money, or his chances are all but dashed.
 
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How far back do you go? Wildcards have been passé for several years now...old habits die hard, don't they ;).

And regarding the at-large selection, a wrestler better finish his conference tournament one place out of the money, or his chances are all but dashed.

Yes, old habits die hard. "At Large" - let's all say it one time together. And, yes, it seems as though you need to finish 1 out of the money. So, let's see what we have so far in B1G with possible AQs:

Abounader, Mich, 4-0 in B1G, will qualify
Dudley, Neb, 4-1 in B1G, will qualify
Brooks, Iowa, 4-1 in B1G, will qualify
Gravina, RU, 3-1 in B1G, will qualify
Courts, OSU, 3-2 in B1G, will qualify
Koepke, ILL, 3-2 in B1G, should qualify (currently #20 in coaches and winning pct should be good)

That's 6 AQs. The only other 184 possibly qualifying is Christenson, Wisconsin, 1-4 in B1G. But he is not going to meet the standard for winning pct (currently under .500), is borderline in coaches ranking (#31), and probably doesn't currently meet it for RPI (although who knows at this point, but both computer rankings have him out right now). So, I'm going to go with 6 AQs.

If Matt doesn't wrestle again, he will most likely be seeded 7th at B1Gs. He is 2-1 with a H-T-H loss against Koepke. A healthy Cutch has no problem finishing 6th or better at B1Gs. It's a not 100% Cutch coming off a long layoff that I would be worried about.
 
Can Phipps cut back down to 84 at this point, or is he is too big?

I'd also like to know what Phipps weighed in at a week or so ago. I seem to remember it was in the 210-15 range but can't recall exactly.
 
Well done...

Here's the criteria for At-large Selections, once a wrestler is determined to be Bronze Standard...

●● Head-to-head competition —25 percent
●● Quality wins —20 percent
●● Results against common opponents —10 percent
●● RPI —10 percent
●● Qualifying event placement —10 percent
●● CR —10 percent
●● Win % —10 percent
●● Number of matches contested at that weight class —5 percent
 
I'd also like to know what Phipps weighed in at a week or so ago. I seem to remember it was in the 210-15 range but can't recall exactly.

At this point, Phipps has no shot at AQ. And finishing top 6 at B1Gs would seem to be a tall order for Wes at this point with the guys listed above.

Crossing my fingers for today.
 
Thanks Mike. Tough cut in quick time. I agree top 6 would be tough but I think Phipps could hang with Koepke and an inconsistent Courts. Of course, we haven't really seen him at 84 in 2 years so who knows. Hopefully Cutch's knee is ok. Tough injury for a guy who has shown so much improvement this year.
 
Plus, isn't there a weight management protocol in place per NCAA rules for wrestlers?
1.5% per week is in my head ... I'm too lazy to look. If that's true, he wouldn't be permitted to hit <= 184 until 3/6/16. B1Gs start 3/5/16. Someone can check my assumptions and math, b/c I may be way off.
 
Max 1.5% reduction per week.

Gonna be extremely tight for Phipps at 184 weight-wise. He was at 204 ± change for NW on 1/17. Doing the math: if that were 204.5, then his min weight on 3/6 (Day 2 of B10s) = 183.97 lb.

IIRC he was over 204, but what the hell: if his 1/17 weight = 203.5, then his min 3/6 weight = 183.1 lb.

These calculations assume no weigh-ins since NW -- then calcs would be from the last official weight.

I don't think the NCAA would grant him a waiver from cutting the mullet, either.
 
His 1.5 would be calculated by his weigh in at certs, not the 204. This would make it even more of a challenge since he likely weighed in under 204 when certifying. Therefore his allowable loss per week is lower.

My guess is that ship has sailed if he weighed in at 204.
 
Several rules that apply (all are direct from the book);
1) It should be noted that the weight-loss plan is recalculated anytime a weighin
exceeds the weight indicated on the weight-loss plan.

2) Each student-athlete has until (on or before) Feb. 15 to
reach or descend back to his or her lowest certified weight class

3) All student-athletes are required to complete
Section I certification. Wrestlers descending to their lowest certified weight
class shall not weigh in more than one weight class above their predetermined
lowest weight class.

#1 means it isn't the Certification Weigh in that matters, it could be the last weighin.
#2 means everyone needs to be at their wrestling weight class by February 15, or 4 weeks from now.
#3 means that if our guy weighed in over 197 pounds, he cannot go 184.
 
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