Mike Panasiuk ???
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Yes, and it's a lot closer to "home" for him. CJF and his helpers I'm sure are all over the kids that have legit interest in PSU. It is going to be really interesting to see how they can get 3-4 DT's in the 2016 class.
CJF has a very nice start going to the class, but if he is going to get 22-25 quality recruits, including 3-4 DT's, some cards need to start falling into place the next couple of months. You can't rest much hope in the top kids that drag their recruiting out until mid January and have every program in the country offering unrealistic expectations to them, and expect to fill the class the last 2 weeks before Loi day.....
I expect our 4 DT's, if the staff is going to take 4, could be Dioubate and a Wheeler (PA kids; we know they are C JF's priority), Colon who we may lead for, and a JUCO.
247 also shows PSU "warm" for Jordan, Kamara, Jones, and some others. A quality JC kids would be great, but a top DT recruit can come in and play some early. It will be interesting to see how playing time goes this fall. Will Windsor and Carter, who could move inside, play in 2015. And if so does Barney redshirt. I was one that hoped that scenario played out, so Barney could start in 2016. But if we get a JC and 3 or 4 H.S. DT's in the 2016 class surely one of them could contribute their first year, 2016 to provide depth. I'd still like to see Windsor play this year so he is ready to take on a big role in 2016. And with Carter supposedly up in the 260's he is as big as Zettel was when he was playing some situational DT. But it's all speculation at this point.....
And much depends on whether Austin Johnson returns for his final year. If he does then all looks good as he Cothran and White would be a solid core. As you say maybe a FR gets some PT this fall to add some experience . The fact that we have offered two JUCO's may suggest the staff feels Johnson will declare for the draft.
The reason I like Colon is he has the size to play early.
I think Johnson will be gone to the NFL after this year. That's why, with Zettel and Johnson getting a majority of the PT this year, I'd like to see Barney redshirt. Cothran and White, along with one of the true freshmen, could form a 5 DT rotation. Baring injury, with Zettel and Johnson leading the way, 5 DT's playing this year would suffice. Then for 2016 we would have Cothran, Barney, and White fighting it out for the starting spots, a returning Soph, and a RS freshman (provided Carter plays DT), as well as possibly a 1st year in the program JC player and some quality freshman (I hope...). We would not likely have anyone of either Zettel or Johnson's pedigree in 2016, but would/could rely on more of a rotation, along with some experienced DE's to form a formidable front 4.
Then for 2017 we would lose only Barney and have a great and deep group of DT talent.
But we really need 3 or 4 DT's in the 2016 class. That's why I believe the staff will keep plugging until they get 4. As I posted in the DT recruiting thread yesterday there are some other PA kids that could end up as part of the class if CJF does not get the 4 DT's he wants from the offers currently out.
These other DT's in PA are not rated as the A list kids, but the staff would redshirt and bring them along, with contributions from them potentially as RS sophs.
Tymir Oliver, 3 star out of West Philly. BC, IL, UMass offers. #28 in PA
D'Andre Dill, 3 star out of Chester. Recently committed to Temple. #29 in PA
Anthony Long, 3 star, bishop McDevitt, lots of offers including WVU, Pitt, MD, #30 in PA
Aaron Seigle, 3 star from Harrisburg. A few offers including Syracuse. #40 in PA.
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There will always be great programs recruiting in their home areas when CJF goes after kids from MI and IL, but he'll land some of them. Hey, Zettel is from MI. But CJF will always have higher success in his home area as well. It would be sweet to get Wheeler and Dioubate and then 2 other DT's from MD (Jordan), NJ, VA, MI...... Still gotta Dominate The State.
I would be happy with a bunch of workman like DL recruits that are ready to play, than a few of superstars.
I think the JC DT offers are CJF's plan for Barney playing this year. Next year Chavis or other JC fills the gap (figuratively and literally). The JC model (one or two guys a year) may be a regular part of PSU recruiting going forward and I like it.
In CJF We Trust
In CJF We Trust
If Panasiuk commits to Michigan State, you pick yourself up, and go after your remaining targets, and add one target to that list to make good. You keep fighting. Mark D'Antonio has been building his program for 8 years, we are in year two, and this kid is in his back yard. You don't sulk, you keep fighting. Lock up Wheeler. He's a Penn State kid and that needs to be our focus. When we have an on-field product that is better than 7-6, we will succeed with a higher success rate with kids like Panasiuk. We are recruiting far beyond what anyone predicted, keep that in mind.
Panasiuk isn't coming. Let's be clear about that. LJ not being here has had a negative effect. Let's be clear about that.
For some reason, that which I do not know, DL recruiting here has not progressed. It might just be temporarily stalled, but if we do not get better at this than we are right now, changes need to be made. I think anybody can agree on that.
For some reason, that which I do not know, DL recruiting here has not progressed. It might just be temporarily stalled, but if we do not get better at this than we are right now, changes need to be made. I think anybody can agree on that.
T. Respectfully disagree about DL recruiting regressing. This staff had brought in big time recruits ( stars + offers ) including Simmons, Bucholtz, Miller, Carter, Givens and Windsor. We have a fighting chance with Jordan, Dioubate, Colon , Wheeler, Chavis and others.
You make yourself out to be an expert, lets be clear about that. You don't know that Panasiuk is or is not coming to PSU. He now has big time offers from near his home, so it's not a given that he is giving PSU equal consideration. And if he does not come to PSU you will be hollering like you knew what you were talking about. But you don't know any more than the rest of us. It is always a crap shoot to go across the country and try and pluck a recruit out of the back yard of another successful program. But CJF got the top DT from Wisconsin last year, Windsor. Hello.
Not sure what "DL recruiting has not progressed" means. CJF and his staff did a great job of getting the in state top recruits to PSU for the 2015 class. Unfortunately there were not top DT's in PA, and also were not any in NJ last year either. So far CJF has not lost any of the top DT's in PA for the 2016 class as none with PSU offers have committed. PSU/CJF (or any other PSU coach) will not be able to DOMINATE NJ, MD, VA.... PSU will focus on kids from those areas and get some great players, as we have in the past, but some of these kids are top national recruits and until we are winning 10+ games per year like Bama, tOsu, and others we will lose more of the top national east coast recruits than we get. The two DT's from the east that did not come to PSU, Holley and Wilkins I believe) were national recruits that ended up going to programs that were more successful recently. PSU was in it until they made their final choice. We don't know why McLean changed to MD, but the strong rumor was grades.
CJF has only brought in one class of his own. I think he deserves a chance to finish his second class (which is off to a nice start) before anyone makes a generalization about his and his staff's ability to recruit specific positions.
CJF deserves to finish 4 recruiting classes. He also deserves the right to analyze and then fix anything that can be improved or fixed. We hired a young, aggressive and energetic coach who we should expect will grow with experience. He is not some old fart who has been doing it his way for years and set in his ways. I loved the hire because it had great growth potential, just like the illegally sanctioned team he agreed to lead. I believe that he and his staff will not be outworked and love that his mistakes to date have been exuberance and brashness. If he loves his job and Penn State, I love him. Take an honest look around the B1G. Which slug would you prefer? The experienced and successful few, didn't have the fortitude or any good reason to take this job and everyone one of those few, has issues, too. The negative recruiting being conducted against us will fade in effectiveness, with each class. Four years, admit it or not.
I agree. I was defending him when the poster tried to discredit the DT recruiting of CJF. He has definitely addressed the ridiculous OL situation he inherited, and I think he will take care of the DT situation as well.
Also, although I would like to see 3-4 DT's in the 2016 class, if Windsor looks good and Carter moves to DT, we are not in as bad a situation as some might think. Cothren looked pretty good in limited action and all reports are that White looked good on the foreign team last year. I don't think Johnson will come back for 2016, but if he does DT should still be a strength in 2016. If fact if Johnson comes back in 2016 CJF likely won't need any of the DT's that end up in the 2016 to play as true frosh.
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While I admire JF's recruiting efforts thus far, there is no arguing that insofar as DT's are concerned, it has not been up to the same level as the other positions. It does not appear Panasiuk is coming here. Diobate is a key, key player. If we can't get him, it is a big problem.
If you want to give JF and his DL recruiter 4 years to prove themselves at recruiting for that position, that is great and big-hearted of you, but do think about where our O-line is right now, and how hard it is to come back from where it is. And after you do that, think about what OSU's offensive line is going to be like, and Michigan's offensive line, etc etc etc. We are going to give up 500 yards rushing every game against most of the Big Ten if they can't pick it up.
If Spencer was in charge of recruiting the DL when they were at Vandy, I would be curious about his level of success.
If you want to give JF and his DL recruiter 4 years to prove themselves at recruiting for that position, that is great and big-hearted of you, but do think about where our O-line is right now, and how hard it is to come back from where it is. And after you do that, think about what OSU's offensive line is going to be like, and Michigan's offensive line, etc etc etc. We are going to give up 500 yards rushing every game against most of the Big Ten if they can't pick it up.
If Spencer was in charge of recruiting the DL when they were at Vandy, I would be curious about his level of success.
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The sky is falling!!!!!
We have the same staff that coached us to the #1 defense in the league last year. You sound irrational.... Zzzzzzzxxxxx zxzzzzzzz
Not so concerned about "losing" this one. MUCH more concerned when we lose and in-state kid. From what I have looked at Wheeler is FAR better than this kid. I do wish him well at MSU. Actually, MSU is recruiting quite well this year. It may be their best class in the last 30-40 years.
I'm irrational? All of those D lineman that are so great right now will be gone next year, and if not, certainly the year after. Just let me know who will be filling in for them, when you get the chance. And think hard.
There is at LEAST one DE in the incoming class that will be moved to DT, maybe two. We are already in on two JUCO DT's, and have a shot at pulling one of them. Wheeler is a STRONG lean right now, it's a matter of closing. We can, and may, move Dowrey back to DT, depending on the development of our two best redshirt freshmen on the O-Line. We have a chance at pulling in a Graduate senior, as we did with Reihner this year. In addition, there is a chance that the staff asks Barney to redshirt, with the promise of the first unit, and a very very good opportunity to be drafted into the NFL, if that happens.
RELAX: Do you even have half of a clue what NEEDED to happen to make last years' offensive line so bad? It wasn't ONE DAMN RECRUITING YEAR at the position that caused that situation: It was FIVE FULL YEARS of bad recruiting by Joe's staff, in his last two years on this earth in poor health, it was RECORD SANCTIONS, illegally imposed, it was 3 OR 4 players simply turning out to be total washouts who quit the game, it was 3 or 4 FREAK injuries(Harrison, others), it was 2 stupid kids who wanted to act tough instead of play ball(Alosi), it was a few others leaving DUE to the sanctions, It was O'Brien NOT EVEN RECRUITING THE POSITION for two years.
Take a DEEP BREATH and calm down for the love of Mike. We go after Wheeler and close, we go after Dioubate, we add two more DT's to go after HARD, we WORK AND WORK, and we get it done.
Yes u r irrational. Look at the roster, read 21Gun's summary, and chill. Then think hard.
Dowrey RS JR
Cothren RS SO
White RS FR
Windsor FR
Carter FR
Buchholz FR
Plus the DT's that end up in the 2016 class.
With 85 scholarships that equates to between a 3 and 4 deep roster at each position. That's 7 or 8 DT's on scholarship. Depending on what Johnson decides to do we need 2-3 DT's in the 2016 class and 1-2 the following year.
And Johnson may decide to anchor the defense in 2016.
Run, the sky is falling!!!
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