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One of my best memories from grade school gym class is catching a ball thrown by Mr. Wert. Obviously, he threw the ball about a hundred 6th- grade miles per hour, so catching one of his throws was unheard of. I guess if these people have their way, dodgeball is doomed. I wonder what they think about wrestling?
 
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It was Mr. Jones for me...5th grade (1984, ouch! that's a long time ago). I've been a better man ever since!

pawrestlersintn said:
One of my best memories from grade school gym class is catching a ball thrown by Mr. Wert. Obviously, he threw the ball about a hundred 6th- grade miles per hour, so catching one of his throws was unheard of. I guess if these people have their way, dodgeball is doomed. I wonder what they think about wrestling?
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pawrestlersintn said:
One of my best memories from grade school gym class is catching a ball thrown by Mr. Wert. Obviously, he threw the ball about a hundred 6th- grade miles per hour, so catching one of his throws was unheard of. I guess if these people have their way, dodgeball is doomed. I wonder what they think about wrestling?
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Segway to wrestling and junior high, our gym coach, Mr Pacifico, was a lineman at Florida St back when Burt Reynolds was on the team. When we wrestled in gym class in 7th grade, every once in a while when a kid was on top of you he would put some of his weight on top of the pile to give you a good squeeze on the bottom. He went about 255, so I think he took it easy.

It was funny then and a good memory now. I really liked that guy. I wonder if a teacher could do that now?
 
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Segway to wrestling and junior high, our gym coach, Mr Pacifico, was a lineman at Florida St back when Burt Reynolds was on the team. When we wrestled in gym class in 7th grade, every once in a while when a kid was on top of you he would put some of his weight on top of the pile to give you a good squeeze on the bottom. He went about 255, so I think he took it easy.

It was funny then and a good memory now. I really liked that guy. I wonder if a teacher could do that now?
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If dodgeball is out, due to the weak weeding out the strong, I'm certain wrestling is right out, let alone a teacher mixing it up with students.
 
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If dodgeball is out, due to the weak weeding out the strong, I'm certain wrestling is right out, let alone a teacher mixing it up with students.
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FYI - One of the HS coaches for a current PSU team member got into some serious legal trouble for just playing a little bit too rough with a young kid. He meant no harm at all but some other pri<k pressed for charges against him only because of personal animosity. The last I heard, the case is still dragging on and probably costing the coach a small fortune.
 
When I was in school (PE Degree) we actually had a lot of education on this. The ideology is that it does lead to the seeking out of weaker students by stronger students, which we don't really allow in any other academic realms. They claimed it was a great recreation, but not a great educational game (nor were other games that used human targets). I substitute it will "Ball Tag". Much more humane.

In one of our classes, we had to put on a mock trial about dodgeball being OK or not OK in schools, and of course, this felt a little juvenile and silly to us. I got the lucky role of being the lawyer/spokesperson FOR dodgeball. The other side already knew the outcome and what the teachers wanted to hear, so they calmly (boringly) regurgitated everything our publicly-funded, politically-leaning school and professors what they wanted to hear. Then I stepped up. And boy, did I let them have it... I was playing a role, right? I slaughtered em. Even got to use the term "candy-ass" in class.

I understand the ideology, but I have been in 5 schools between student teaching and teaching professionally and have yet to have a class not be in support of throwing balls at each other. It just needs context and my classic "Don't be a jerk" rule. Offenders get dealt with by Mr. Duster.
 
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As a PE teacher, I personally feel that the skills you are using in dodgeball (throwing, catching, dodging etc) can be taught in a way where more kids get opportunities to improve. It would be like trying to teach spelling with an elimination spelling bee. The kids who need the most practice actually get the least amount of practice....

However, I do think recreationally or for athletes it is great...
 
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"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another." (Proverbs 27:17)

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)

I doubt one such trained, who happens to be blessed with physical strength, would seek out the weakest when playing dodgeball.

I played plenty of dodgeball in public school P.E. in the late 70s/early 80s. And when I did, I took David-like pleasure when targeting and eliminating the class Goliaths.
 
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98lberEating2Lunches said:
"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another." (Proverbs 27:17)

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)

I doubt one such trained, who happens to be blessed with physical strength, would seek out the weakest when playing dodgeball.

I played plenty of dodgeball in public school P.E. in the late 70s/early 80s. And when I did, I took David-like pleasure when targeting and eliminating the class Goliaths.
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Good point and same experience. When the David's tried, often they were rewarded with taking out a "cool" kid or making a catch to bring their team back in. Good for confidence and acceptance. Of course sometimes David failed too, but in life, you have to take some chances to get rewarded and sometimes you take chances and fail. Bring Dodge ball back and as Duster said, you police the jerks.
 
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I think the paper's author's point hinged on a distinction between mandatory dodgeball and consensual dodgeball, which point the National Post author seemed to intentionally lose in order to gin up outrage, as seen here. I loved dodgeball and was good at it, but putting myself in the shoes of other 12-yr old classmates it's easy to recall that it was probably pretty terrifying.
 
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When I was in school (PE Degree) we actually had a lot of education on this. The ideology is that it does lead to the seeking out of weaker students by stronger students, which we don't really allow in any other academic realms. They claimed it was a great recreation, but not a great educational game (nor were other games that used human targets). I substitute it will "Ball Tag". Much more humane.

In one of our classes, we had to put on a mock trial about dodgeball being OK or not OK in schools, and of course, this felt a little juvenile and silly to us. I got the lucky role of being the lawyer/spokesperson FOR dodgeball. The other side already knew the outcome and what the teachers wanted to hear, so they calmly (boringly) regurgitated everything our publicly-funded, politically-leaning school and professors what they wanted to hear. Then I stepped up. And boy, did I let them have it... I was playing a role, right? I slaughtered em. Even got to use the term "candy-ass" in class.

I understand the ideology, but I have been in 5 schools between student teaching and teaching professionally and have yet to have a class not be in support of throwing balls at each other. It just needs context and my classic "Don't be a jerk" rule. Offenders get dealt with by Mr. Duster.
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I imagine this is Mr. Duster dealing with the jerks.

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One of my wrestling coaches (who will remain nameless so as not to subject him to retroactive social justice), used to yell at us during practice "c'mon, don't fag out!!". We weren't sure, but came to the consensus that his meaning was "suck it up, don't quit". Great coach though. Times change. If he did that today, we'd probably be delivering him contraband and files in prison inside of pita pockets or keto bread or whatever we eat these days.
 
tikk10 said:
I think the paper's author's point hinged on a distinction between mandatory dodgeball and consensual dodgeball, which point the National Post author seemed to intentionally lose in order to gin up outrage, as seen here. I loved dodgeball and was good at it, but putting myself in the shoes of other 12-yr old classmates it's easy to recall that it was probably pretty terrifying.
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I was terrible at dodgeball and still loved it.

In hindsight, it taught me how to read and anticipate multiple random concurrent activities from every direction. Which was the best possible training for crossing the street in SE Asia. (Though diving to the ground isn't the best solution in traffic.)
 
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Thread brings back memories.

The game played in the Dodgeball Movie is what we used to call "Rockets"
-2 teams, mid-line, play til 1 side eliminated.
-There were various sized red rubber dodgeballs. The smaller ones we called 'peanuts' and you could whip them like a softball. On up in sizes to the 'balloon' ball [which had a deep echoing 'pong' in the gym when striking someone just right;)].
-If you hit an opponent in the head, then the thrower was out. If the person hit didn't have a bloody nose [or something] then they stayed in. If not, someone else came off the bench [there was no "catch" rule to bring players back in, although that would've been cool].
-Played usually on a basketball court.

"Dodgeball" was a similar principle, but it was each person on their own. A chaotic mess of individuals scooping up balls and zipping anyone/everyone til last man standing. No boundaries to speak of, usually played in a field or on the street. #Freeforall

All voluntary. Rockets was Intramural time after school. Dodgeball was a during school recess activity. NO way in hell would this stuff fly in today's age. Blood and scrapes were common and we loved it. #70's.
 
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When I was in school (PE Degree) we actually had a lot of education on this. The ideology is that it does lead to the seeking out of weaker students by stronger students, which we don't really allow in any other academic realms. They claimed it was a great recreation, but not a great educational game (nor were other games that used human targets). I substitute it will "Ball Tag". Much more humane.

In one of our classes, we had to put on a mock trial about dodgeball being OK or not OK in schools, and of course, this felt a little juvenile and silly to us. I got the lucky role of being the lawyer/spokesperson FOR dodgeball. The other side already knew the outcome and what the teachers wanted to hear, so they calmly (boringly) regurgitated everything our publicly-funded, politically-leaning school and professors what they wanted to hear. Then I stepped up. And boy, did I let them have it... I was playing a role, right? I slaughtered em. Even got to use the term "candy-ass" in class.

I understand the ideology, but I have been in 5 schools between student teaching and teaching professionally and have yet to have a class not be in support of throwing balls at each other. It just needs context and my classic "Don't be a jerk" rule. Offenders get dealt with by Mr. Duster.
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hahahaha. so says the guy that spreads cancer through crop dusting.
 
PSUer1989 said:
As a PE teacher, I personally feel that the skills you are using in dodgeball (throwing, catching, dodging etc) can be taught in a way where more kids get opportunities to improve. It would be like trying to teach spelling with an elimination spelling bee. The kids who need the most practice actually get the least amount of practice....

However, I do think recreationally or for athletes it is great...
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You are certainly not wrong.
 
When we played dodgeball it was called medic. There were two medics on each team (2 teams). The medic would use a 1x1 dolly which we called scooters, to come and save the players who had been hit and were sitting on the ground. For the life of me I still can't figure out why the girls would either stand against the back wall so when they got hit in the face their head would smack the wall too, or they would want to be the medic, which is the person you wanted to get out first. They let us use volleyballs as the dodgeball for a few years, that probably wasn't the best idea but it was fun. If I was the last one left on my team I would do everything I could to stay in the game while all my teammates were yelling at me to "just get hit" so we could start another game.
 
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CropDuster507 said:
When I was in school (PE Degree) we actually had a lot of education on this. The ideology is that it does lead to the seeking out of weaker students by stronger students, which we don't really allow in any other academic realms. They claimed it was a great recreation, but not a great educational game (nor were other games that used human targets). I substitute it will "Ball Tag". Much more humane.

In one of our classes, we had to put on a mock trial about dodgeball being OK or not OK in schools, and of course, this felt a little juvenile and silly to us. I got the lucky role of being the lawyer/spokesperson FOR dodgeball. The other side already knew the outcome and what the teachers wanted to hear, so they calmly (boringly) regurgitated everything our publicly-funded, politically-leaning school and professors what they wanted to hear. Then I stepped up. And boy, did I let them have it... I was playing a role, right? I slaughtered em. Even got to use the term "candy-ass" in class.

I understand the ideology, but I have been in 5 schools between student teaching and teaching professionally and have yet to have a class not be in support of throwing balls at each other. It just needs context and my classic "Don't be a jerk" rule. Offenders get dealt with by Mr. Duster.
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Ha! Don't Be a Jerk, Be a Good Human is the only rule in my classroom. (Elementary).

Our PE teachers used to play a ton of dodgeball and I'd get in there as much as possible to brings kids down a peg. Miss those days. They retired and the new millennial (I am one too) PE teachers brought in the "if you had fun, you won!" mentality and no more dodgeball.
 
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When we played dodgeball it was called metic. There were two metics on each team (2 teams). The metic would use a 1x1 dolly which we called scooters, to come and save the players who had been hit and were sitting on the ground ...
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The scooters are cool metical devices! The metical profession keeps coming up with metical breakthroughs. We are lucky to have modern meticine! :)
 
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