Players only so excludes Joe Pa.
Lavar Arrington, Paul Posluszny, Jack Ham and Franco Harris. Thoughts?
Lavar Arrington, Paul Posluszny, Jack Ham and Franco Harris. Thoughts?
Mt Rushmore of Penn a State Football
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Must put Mike Reid right in the middle....solid rock!
er: 2006"]Must put Mike Reid right in the middle....solid rock![/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree on Reid. I'd take him ahead of Poz. It's hard to argue with Jack, and as much as I love Franco, we've had better running backs. Still, because of his courage in standing up for Joe, I'd put him up there. I'm still thinking about LaVar. We've had so many good ones and my mind is a big foggy from too much eggnog.
Absolutely agree on Reid. I'd take him ahead of Poz. It's hard to argue with Jack, and as much as I love Franco, we've had better running backs. Still, because of his courage in standing up for Joe, I'd put him up there. I'm still thinking about LaVar. We've had so many good ones and my mind is a big foggy from too much eggnog.
Reid, Ham, Warner, Cappy. Blackledge has to be a consideration with being the QB for the first national title team.
Right Norm. Curt contributed to the first PSU MNC, but Cappy continued the process of putting PSU on the map of big time football by winning the Heisman...
A discussion like this is best started with a list of say 20 to 25 candidates and then whittling it down.
- Cappy
- Reid
- Poz
- LA
- Franco
- Richie Lucas
- Rosie Grier
- Lenny Moore
- Ted Kwalick
- Dave Robinson
- Dennis Onkotz
- Lydell Mitchell
- Keith Dorney
- Jack Ham
- Bruce Clark
- Mike Hartenstine
- Curt Warner
- Mike Munchak
- Mark Robinson
- Kerry Collins
- Bobby Engram
- Jeff Hartings
- Courtney Brown
- Derrick Williams
- Sean Lee
I personnally could not nominate a player that left early for the NFL. I know that the game and economics of a football career are different today than what they were a while back, but a true rock of PSU football would play their whole career at PSU. That would eliminate ARob and LA from my final list.
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First, let me say that I hope you all had a great day with family and loved ones.
Second, selecting the top 4 Penn State players over a span of about 70 years is akin to choosing the best RHH or the best right fielder of all time.
The list basically becomes an age issue. "Oldies" like me might list guys like Lenny Moore, Mike Reid, Dennis Onkotz, and Curt Warner. Younger alums.fans are swayed to name LaVar Arrington, Paul Pozlusny, Ki-Jana Carter, and Mike Robinson,
Heck, those 8 guys alone require a 2nd mountain.
Finally, if I were to be on the imaginary committee to select the actual individuals for the honor, I would request specific criteria so that we know whether to include NFL performance in addition to PSU play. Without the NFL, Dennis Onklotz would trump all other linebackers, especially when you add in his amazing stats as a punt returner.
Franco was more a factor as a sophomore than as a senior at Penn State, but his NFL career was clearly better than Lydell's. Or should we also take into account off-the-field greatness?
Sorry for a long post. Christmas is a tough time of year for me, and I guess I'm in need of a little football discussion to help out.
Without apologies to Felli, may God's blessing be with you all in the coming year.asd
Second, selecting the top 4 Penn State players over a span of about 70 years is akin to choosing the best RHH or the best right fielder of all time.
The list basically becomes an age issue. "Oldies" like me might list guys like Lenny Moore, Mike Reid, Dennis Onkotz, and Curt Warner. Younger alums.fans are swayed to name LaVar Arrington, Paul Pozlusny, Ki-Jana Carter, and Mike Robinson,
Heck, those 8 guys alone require a 2nd mountain.
Finally, if I were to be on the imaginary committee to select the actual individuals for the honor, I would request specific criteria so that we know whether to include NFL performance in addition to PSU play. Without the NFL, Dennis Onklotz would trump all other linebackers, especially when you add in his amazing stats as a punt returner.
Franco was more a factor as a sophomore than as a senior at Penn State, but his NFL career was clearly better than Lydell's. Or should we also take into account off-the-field greatness?
Sorry for a long post. Christmas is a tough time of year for me, and I guess I'm in need of a little football discussion to help out.
Without apologies to Felli, may God's blessing be with you all in the coming year.asd
No Riverboat Richie? Guess there was no football in happy valley before Paterno.
Your first Maxwell Award winning player, Heisman runner up. Didn't play for Joe, so no consideration. He should at least be on your list of 25.
Lydell Mitchell was a better college player than Franco. So it's Mike Reid , Jack Ham , John Cappaletti, Lydell Mitchell.
Lavar isn't even in the top 4 linebackers at Penn State... Maybe in the top ten, I guess. He was spectacular physically, but no where near the disciplined team player that are the bedrock of Penn State's Linebacker U tradition.
Almost all who bought into Success with Honor. The list is too long. They are the true spirit of Penn State, all of them in unison is Mt Rushmore of Penn State Football.
Indeed, some of them like Franco should be lauded for their leadership.
Indeed, some of them like Franco should be lauded for their leadership.
Mike Mauti should be there IMO. It took a lot of courage for a kid to stand up in front of the national media and tell Mark Emmert to F off. That moment was a critical turning point in PSU football history.
I agree that you should include Mauti....He held the whole thing together or we may be in REAL trouble right now. He stood in the face of all the EVIL b@#$%ards that try to destroy the program.
