National Duals - Penn State to host OK State (Sun - 5 p.m.)
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Should be a great one. Smith is not fooling no one. I really think the attendance record will be broken in Rec Hall at 5 on Sunday. Going to be very intense.
**Release Courtesy of Pat Donghia of PSU Athletics**
UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa.; February 15, 2016 – The Penn State Nittany Lion wrestling team (15-0, 9-0 B1G) has been selected as the host site for the 2016 NWCA Dual Meet Championship Series title event. No. 1 Penn State will host No. 2 Oklahoma State (12-2) on Sunday, February 21; at 5 p.m. in Rec Hall (rankings listed are InterMat TPI as of 2/9/16). The event, which is already sold out, will air live on the Big Ten Network.
The Penn State/Oklahoma State match-up pits the nation’s top-ranked Big Ten team against the nation’s top-ranked non-Big Ten squad, and the winner of the dual meet will be declared the 2016 NWCA Dual Meet Champion. The Series, in its first season in this new iteration, features eight dual meets across the country. The full 2016 NWCA National Duals Championship Series is as follows: Oklahoma State at Penn State (for the 2016 NWCA National Dual Championship), Iowa State at Minnesota, Lehigh at Rutgers, Appalachian State at Indiana, Missouri at Nebraska, Virginia Tech at Michigan, Edinboro at Ohio State and North Carolina State at Iowa.
“We are excited to be a part of the first NWCA National Dual Championship series,” said Penn State head coach Cael Sanderson. “It is an honor and a great opportunity for us. We are looking forward to Sunday’s dual.”
Sunday’s title tilt will be the 21st meeting between the two national powers. The Cowboys own a 13-6-1 lead in the all-time series, including a close 21-18 win in Stillwater last February (2/15/15). Penn State won the last meeting in Rec Hall, a 23-12 win on 2/16/14. The Nittany Lions and Cowboys both competed in this year’s Southern Scuffle, with Penn State winning its sixth straight Scuffle crown with 183.0 points and OSU second with 158.0
UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa.; February 15, 2016 – The Penn State Nittany Lion wrestling team (15-0, 9-0 B1G) has been selected as the host site for the 2016 NWCA Dual Meet Championship Series title event. No. 1 Penn State will host No. 2 Oklahoma State (12-2) on Sunday, February 21; at 5 p.m. in Rec Hall (rankings listed are InterMat TPI as of 2/9/16). The event, which is already sold out, will air live on the Big Ten Network.
The Penn State/Oklahoma State match-up pits the nation’s top-ranked Big Ten team against the nation’s top-ranked non-Big Ten squad, and the winner of the dual meet will be declared the 2016 NWCA Dual Meet Champion. The Series, in its first season in this new iteration, features eight dual meets across the country. The full 2016 NWCA National Duals Championship Series is as follows: Oklahoma State at Penn State (for the 2016 NWCA National Dual Championship), Iowa State at Minnesota, Lehigh at Rutgers, Appalachian State at Indiana, Missouri at Nebraska, Virginia Tech at Michigan, Edinboro at Ohio State and North Carolina State at Iowa.
“We are excited to be a part of the first NWCA National Dual Championship series,” said Penn State head coach Cael Sanderson. “It is an honor and a great opportunity for us. We are looking forward to Sunday’s dual.”
Sunday’s title tilt will be the 21st meeting between the two national powers. The Cowboys own a 13-6-1 lead in the all-time series, including a close 21-18 win in Stillwater last February (2/15/15). Penn State won the last meeting in Rec Hall, a 23-12 win on 2/16/14. The Nittany Lions and Cowboys both competed in this year’s Southern Scuffle, with Penn State winning its sixth straight Scuffle crown with 183.0 points and OSU second with 158.0
Edinboro is a surprise...
...current record 8-9...
...lost to Ohio University 12-22...
...lost to Lehigh 6-36...
...lost to Pitt 9-24...
...lost to North Carolina 11-26...
...lost to Duke 15-30...
...lost to N C State 10-31...
...lost to Virginia Tech 7-29...
...lost to Kent State 15-18...
...lost to CMU 15-20...
but I guess they are the best of the EWL...
...current record 8-9...
...lost to Ohio University 12-22...
...lost to Lehigh 6-36...
...lost to Pitt 9-24...
...lost to North Carolina 11-26...
...lost to Duke 15-30...
...lost to N C State 10-31...
...lost to Virginia Tech 7-29...
...lost to Kent State 15-18...
...lost to CMU 15-20...
but I guess they are the best of the EWL...
No Missouri?
Didn't Virginia Tech just beat NC state? VT should be going to Iowa, that would be a much better, more intriguing match up than NC state who already saw Iowa at the Midlands.
Guess that's the best they could do. Looking forward to PSU vs OK state. If JoJo and Crutchmer don't go only 84 and maybe heavy are much in doubt.
Didn't Virginia Tech just beat NC state? VT should be going to Iowa, that would be a much better, more intriguing match up than NC state who already saw Iowa at the Midlands.
Guess that's the best they could do. Looking forward to PSU vs OK state. If JoJo and Crutchmer don't go only 84 and maybe heavy are much in doubt.
They won the EWL so they qualified automatically. But I am surprised they're wrestling Ohio State while Mizzou and Lehigh are wrestling lower ranked Big 10 teams.
Geography. Edinboro wrestles on Saturday vs West Virgina. Made sense.Maybe Tom Ryan hand picked their opponent!
They should have matched VaTech against Iowa and NC State vs Michigan imho. VaTech lost to Iowa State when they had two of their best wrestlers hurt and just beat NC State for the ACC Dual Season Championship. This tournament is supposed to be about winning your Conference's Dual season (NC State was an "at large" selection team - VaTech got the ACC's automatic berth). I think Iowa will beat NC State, but I'm not so sure they would have beaten VaTech. I think the NWCA Organizers dropped the ball here.
It wasn't the NWCA Organizers...the coaches took a vote. The 12 coaches voted NC State 12 points ahead of Virginia Tech. That's what they based it on.
I shouldn't be plugging my competitors, but listen to Flo Radio Live this morning. The way Tom Ryan described things is, almost to a tee, and almost chronologically, the way the meeting went.
I shouldn't be plugging my competitors, but listen to Flo Radio Live this morning. The way Tom Ryan described things is, almost to a tee, and almost chronologically, the way the meeting went.
Why not just crown the obvious winner???
I'm sure Minnesota already has their T- shirts printed: '2016 Big 10 Participant'
Smith wants to win this trust me. He would love to beat Cael. He will have his full line up unless they are very injured which i think not.
You are right but Brands was complaining about it. They don't match up well with V.T. He don't want to take a loss in Iowa. He is already on the hot seat. I was listening to him on xm radio this morning. Big cry baby. I was e-mailing Cael this morning and he said the same thing i was thinking. Brands should embrace it.
If Brands is on the hot seat with an undefeated team ranked #2, the problem isn't Brands. He could have avoided Penn State last year, but agreed to come to the BJC to wrestle. I don't believe he would back down from any challenge. He is a competitor to his very core.
Ehh....reminds of college football bowl games (excluding the final 4 playoff)
Most of the bowls are games at season end that celebrates the team's achievements during the year, and have a financial benefit to the participating schools. Also an extra contest for fans. This seems somewhat similar, though the dollars are a different level.
Tom Ryan mentioned it on FRL at the start of the podcast. I remember one being Bloomsbug and thinking how does the coach who constantly has forfeits in his lineup get a say in all this?
Seriously, you guys are just as bad as the "Bael," "Cael can't coach" & "Two-faced, Moral/Immoral Cael" crews out there.
Love to make fun of some of Brand's antics, but to suggest he is a cry-baby or a guy that will duck a challenge is, well, borders on brain-dead.
EDIT - just now noticed who I was responding to. Chief will surely have a chuckle as I fell into the same trap I told him he knew better to fall into. Allow me to remove the "borders on" qualifier above.
According to the NWCA website the Poll Committee is made up of 1 coach representative from each conference, but there are only 8 Conferences (B1G, B12, ACC, MAC, EIWA, EWL, SoCon and Pac12), so there has to be 4 other voters. Anyone know who the 4 Voters are outside of the conference coach representatives? Anyone know who the voting coach is from the B1G and ACC? If you look at the latest poll linked above, VT was only 6 total points behind NC State (256 points to 262 points respectively OR an average of 4.20 versus 4.67 for NC State and VT respectively). The poll uses a simple 25 for 1st, 24 for 2nd, etc..., so one ballot could have made the difference if the ballot had NC State 6 positions higher than VT.
Just an opinion on my part and have no evidence of the theory, but I believe the coaches against having "National Duals" being a component in the NCAA Championships team scoring agreed to this format as a way to appease those that want to apply some scoring component to the team score at nationals. That's my hunch, FWIW.
Brands obviously is not on a seat that is truly hot, but Zalesky won quite a few championships after Gable retired and was canned for finishing 5th with no champs. There is a different sense of where Iowa should finish in Iowa City than everywhere else.
Brands did not agree to bring his Iowa Hawkeye team to the BJC last year. Last year's match was part of the Big10 schedule. Two years ago Cael did agree to take his team to Iowa City for a non Big10 match. This season when Brands could have recipicated and pretty much planted the beginning of a tradition he did not.
So nobody has any additional info on the make-up of the NWCA "Poll Committee" other than the vague information given in the preamble to the NWCA Weekly Poll? I assume Ryan is one of the 12 voters based on his statements that another poster linked regarding the voting - is he the B1G representative or one of 4 voters in addition to a coach from each of the 8 conferences? The way VT and NC State are voted in the NWCA Poll is an outlier to every other recognized national wrestling poll regarding Dual Match strength - specifically VT is ranked well in front of NC State in every other poll as they should be given that they beat NC State for the ACC regular-season Dual Meet Championship and are the undefeated ACC Champions. The voting in the NWCA strikes me as very fishy especially given that the differential between the two could result from a single ballot.
Cael retweeted me once, does that count for insider connections? So did howard stern, but thats the limits of my connections
I did - the only thing I could find is the preamble to the NWCA's Weekly Poll Release which I already provided a link to earlier. It is somewhat misleading in that it says the Poll Committee is made up of a coach from each conference, but there are only 8 Conferences and 12 voters. Given the lack of transparency on their own website regarding the constitution of the Committee, I doubt they publish the members of the "Poll Committee", let alone the voting of each member (if they want their rankings to have any credibility, they should publish this information so it is transparent how each member voted....e.g., why each team finished where it did).
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Cael retreated you about Jimmy adding a duck under when down 1 pt?Cael retweeted me once, does that count for insider connections? So did howard stern, but thats the limits of my connections
Wait, that wasn't you, never mind.
The NWCA duals were going to die on the vine. What we have now was the lemon aid made from various buckets of lemons. I think they got it right in this first iteration or as best as they could with the parameters set by the coaches/interested parties. Im happy to be traveling to State College on Sunday to support this effort and our team and will be watching most of the other matches to support the concept with my 'clicks'
This is the best format taking into account all the issues the various sides had i truly believe that. If PSU was #2 and Iowa #1, I would feel the same way. Getting a T-shirt and hat that says NWCA dual champion does nothing for our program other than allow the marketing people one more thing to write about. Beating OSU, getting on TV is huge for recruiting and our brand. Take what you can get.
As a fan of college wrestling your going to see
- a combined gate that will be very impressive and would be better than anything that the NWCA has seen in many years. The gate is spread out to supporting various programs and people who support our sport.
- You have all the top teams participating minus the Pac-10, which is not what we had in the past.
- we got regional match ups that are exciting and could set future schedules. Rutgers vs Lehigh is a must watch for me as is Nebby v Mizzou.
- we got great individual match ups that will impact the true post season
- we got a big match on BTN
- next year the B1$ will return serve and travel, but by hosting this year will allow the B1$ to pay it forward next year
- its one dual meet with one weigh in which is beneficial to our wrestlers health this close to the true post season
Sure it could be tweaked, and most likely will be, but in this case Ill take 10% of something instead of a 100% of nothing......
This is the best format taking into account all the issues the various sides had i truly believe that. If PSU was #2 and Iowa #1, I would feel the same way. Getting a T-shirt and hat that says NWCA dual champion does nothing for our program other than allow the marketing people one more thing to write about. Beating OSU, getting on TV is huge for recruiting and our brand. Take what you can get.
As a fan of college wrestling your going to see
- a combined gate that will be very impressive and would be better than anything that the NWCA has seen in many years. The gate is spread out to supporting various programs and people who support our sport.
- You have all the top teams participating minus the Pac-10, which is not what we had in the past.
- we got regional match ups that are exciting and could set future schedules. Rutgers vs Lehigh is a must watch for me as is Nebby v Mizzou.
- we got great individual match ups that will impact the true post season
- we got a big match on BTN
- next year the B1$ will return serve and travel, but by hosting this year will allow the B1$ to pay it forward next year
- its one dual meet with one weigh in which is beneficial to our wrestlers health this close to the true post season
Sure it could be tweaked, and most likely will be, but in this case Ill take 10% of something instead of a 100% of nothing......
Strangely enough, This Release at USA Wrestling for NWCA grants your wish regarding juxtaposing PSU's and Iowa's ranking:
"Edinboro, the EWL champion, heads to Ohio State for a 7 p.m. EST match at St. John Arena on Monday, Feb. 22, and No. 4 North Carolina State visits No. 1 Iowa at Carver-Hawkeye Arena 7 p.m., CST the same evening."
Yes, likely just a Freudian-slip typo, but speaks volumes about the quality of professionalism at the NWCA that such an error could make it into publication. The lack of transparency at the NWCA is rather telling about the parties running it.... BTW, how do you know Dresser is on the "Poll Committee" - I have done web search after web search on this topic and come up with nothing regarding a disclosure of current Poll Committee Members. The only thing the NWCA publishes says that the 12-man voting "Poll Committee" is made up of a "coach from each conference", but there are 12 voters and only 8 conferences - B1G, Pac12, ACC, B12, MAC, EIWA, EWL and SoCon - these are the only D1 conferences NWCA lists, what am I missing?
