WR from Wilson HS in West Lawn, PA
Here's his HUDL video:
Here's his HUDL video:
New walk-on commits Justin Weller, Crae McCracken, and Drew Hartlaub
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Crae McCracken commits to walk-on at PSU. OL/DL out of Williamsport, PA.
Does he play...................lacrosse?
I agree he is a sound FB player. As I said, my only question from watching hudl would be his speed.
Anyone else notice #21 in that first clip (i.e., Weller returns a KO for a TD)??? If Weller is pretty fast, #21 has absolutely astounding speed - watch the very end of the run and from how far back #21 comes to get in front of Weller and shield any potential tacklers out. Who is #21 and what year is he, etc....
Great size and numbers (30" vertical leap for a guy his size is insane). Seems like a pretty good pick-up for a PWO.
Saw that, thought exactly the same thing.
Does it matter?
The Goodyear blimp could get wide open against my Steeler secondary!!
like most 40 times that is probably somewhat exaggerated. recruiters call this trend "speed inflation". players that run track can usually validate times easier (i.e. Polk, Thompkins, Blacknall, Apke, etc). 11.0 100m will usually run
sorry cut off - 11.0 = 4.5 40 usually
nice to get quality walk-ons even if odds are small for them (Lugenbill stated data shows 2% odds for walk-on to make 2 deep roster and see field for most teams)
Yes, one of the reasons I questioned the 4.55. If valid 21 runs a 3.4!
Depends whether we're talking a running start or a true track 40. 40 is generally the slowest time per 10 meters due to a start delay plus the need to accelerate from a stop. 60m the next slowest on a per 10 meter basis and 100m the fastest because you are running at top speed for the longest time. An 11.0 time for 100m would directly convert to 4.4 for the 40m, but again a true 40 time is typically significantly slower on a per 10 meter basis than a 100m time (add something like 0.3 or 0.4 due to the start reaction being spread over a smaller interval and having to accelerate from a stop over a much shorter interval). High school record in 100m is 10.0 and that sprinter would likely record something like a 4.3 or 4.4 in a true 40m which they don't run. IOW, an 11.0 time in the 100m would convert to something like 4.75 in a true 40m.
A true 4.5 time in the 40m (i.e., from a stop and using a starting gun) is flying, that would likely translate to a ~10.5 time in the 100m.
First, it's 40 yards, not meters. To run what you define as a "true" 4.5? Think faster, considerably faster.
Okay, an 11.0 in the 100 yard dash would equate to about 4.5 in the 40 yard dash, but the front-end number being cited for these guys in this and the Journey Brown thread (including the PIAA track times for Journey Brown in the "100" are in the 100m, not the 100 yard Dash -- PA and every other state I know of runs the 100m Dash, not 100 yard. Here is a link for the PIAA meet times cited for Journey Brown in the "100" - HIT THE LINK).
So given that we are talking about and citing 100m times with virtually every recruit we are discussing in these threads (in fact, we just cited Journey Browns "60" track time that he just recorded, which was a 60m time), I would assume we are converting 100m times into 40m times, but now you're saying we're converting 100 yard times (especially recorded track times which we absolutely weren't talking about with any other recruit discussed recently) and converting to 40 yard times..... BTW, an 11.0 in the 100 meter sprint is relatively fast (would equate to just over a 10 seconds in 100 yard dash, 10 and change is outdoor 100m National High School Record), but is very slow for the 100 yard - I understand that quite well. But when the OP cites a "100 time" especially when we're talking recorded track times in every other thread, one would assume they mean 100m, not 100 Yard Dash, because no State that I know of still runs the 100 Yard Dash (understand that a 4.5 in 40m dash would equate to ~4.1 in 40 yard dash as a yard is just a hair over 90% of a meter).
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Not sure what your getting at. Nobody runs yards in competitive track anymore. And nobody runs 40m.
If you take a look a Journey Brown's 60m time and you know anything about sprinting, you can pretty much determine that he's not covering the first 36.576m in 4.5 seconds....and this is a kid who is speed is proven.
Well, that is kind of my point - the OP was talking about running an 11 second 100m (i.e., comparing it to the 100m times posted by many that run track such as Journey Brown's documented 10.62 and 10.73). An 11 second 100m is a fast time and would convert to about a 4.75 sec 40m time - an 11 second 100m time would convert to approximately a 4.4 sec 40 yard dash time though. A 4.5 sec 40 yard dash time would convert to an 11.1 sec 100m time or so. An 11.1 sec 100m time is pretty fast time for a high schooler especially if recorded in a track meet.....IOW, a "true" 4.5 sec 40 yard time is very fast. Again, here are Journey Brown's times - HIT THE LINK - his times range from 10.62 to 11.01 and he's the reigning PIAA 100m Champ. His best time in 100m, 10.62, would convert to something like a 4.25 or 4.3 sec "true" 40 yard dash. A true 4.2 or 4.3 in the 40 yard dash is absolutely flying (and Journey Brown ran close to 11 more often than 10.62).....a true 4.5 in the 40 yard dash is moving and there are not nearly as many college recruits as claimed who can really run a "true" 4.5 sec 40 yard dash because even a true 4.5 sec 40 yard dash is moving pretty good.
Nice article about Justin Weller.
http://www.readingeagle.com/sports/article/mike-drago-things-turn-out-perfectly-for-wilson-receiver
http://www.readingeagle.com/sports/article/mike-drago-things-turn-out-perfectly-for-wilson-receiver
IIRC, for comparison, Lavar ran a 4.55 and Courtney a 4.59 at the NFL combine. Are those laser timed or whatever the strictest timing device is?Yes, one of the reasons I questioned the 4.55. If valid 21 runs a 3.4!
FAT or fully automated timing, has a laser on movement at start and finish. So it does not measure reaction time but speed. That's my understanding. I think the NFL has been using some form of this method for awhile.
Would argue starting block electronic timing where timer starts on gun and laser finish line is most accurate. "Reaction time" is a component of speed - eliminating it makes these times appear faster than what track sprinters run, but that is not reality.
No argument from me....I don't care. I just tried to relay the description of how they do times in the combines.
Wrong. FAT does the following:
1. starts running t at the gun;
2. has sensor connected to the starting blocks so that if a runner is out of the blocks less than 0.1 from the gun, a false start indicator is triggered; and
3. has a laser sensor across the finish line, stopping the clock.
The only component the NFL utilizes is 3. There is no gun. The clock starts when the runner is detected to have crossed the starting line, not a first motion. He could be rolling in the blocks and the clock would not start.
The NFL is laser timed, which is not as strict as FAT (see my post above). NFL methodology is no better than hand timing.
I have no idea where you are coming up with that garbage. Look at Journey Brown's 60m times. If he's at 4.5 at the 40 yard (or 36.576m) mark in his fastest race, then something is dreadfully wrong, either with his running or your calculations. I'm betting the latter, which makes your 4.25-4.3 totally absurd.
that is a very good point, and i always thought that the NFL used the starter horn to start the clock and then laser at finish. thanks for the info, and NFL time is missing reaction at the start, which track time of 60m or 100m catch. Deon Butler and Justin King were both around 4.38 in the NFL combine if memory serves correctly. i think Deon had run something like a 10.65 100M in high school. i don't know if King ever ran track.
Walk Ons real value lay in the numbers available in practice. 1st and 2nd strings get a lot of reps.
Said a 4.25 - 4.30 true 40-Yard Dash Time (track timed) would equate to Journey Brown's worst efforts in the 100m (i.e., 11 sec). 3.70 to 3.75 would equate to his 40-Yard time within his best effort in the 100m 10.62 sec. If we're talking the absolute fastest true 40-Yard Dash times Journey Brown is capable of it's probably down in the low-to-mid 3.7 times. Again, Journey Brown is the reigning PIAA 100m sprint champion and even his times range by upwards of a half-a-second - IOW, anybody truly capable of recording a "true" 40-Yard Dash number 4.5 or better is moving pretty darn well (i.e., Journey Brown's times - a PIAA Sprint Champion - would range in the 3.75 to 4.25 range in a "true timed" 40-Yard Dash.).
Art,
You are actually wrong about the last part of you statement re the NFL combine laser timing. A participant must achieve a full stop at the line which is indicated by an "all clear" tone to start the 40 (this is laser gate one or zero dependent on which system is used). To achieve this "all clear" you must set up in your stance and achieve a laser tone lock. Once this is complete a tone will sound that signifies you can start at will, upon first movement of any body part the clock will start. This method is much stricter than a hand or partial Laser time such as starting the timer with a plunger or toe peddle release and a laser gate stopping the time. In other words it takes all human bias of the times registered and is often different that what the preliminary reported combine times are at the time of viewing on ESPN.
You are actually wrong about the last part of you statement re the NFL combine laser timing. A participant must achieve a full stop at the line which is indicated by an "all clear" tone to start the 40 (this is laser gate one or zero dependent on which system is used). To achieve this "all clear" you must set up in your stance and achieve a laser tone lock. Once this is complete a tone will sound that signifies you can start at will, upon first movement of any body part the clock will start. This method is much stricter than a hand or partial Laser time such as starting the timer with a plunger or toe peddle release and a laser gate stopping the time. In other words it takes all human bias of the times registered and is often different that what the preliminary reported combine times are at the time of viewing on ESPN.
