I never wrestled but I've learned to love watching Penn St. wrestling. That said, I don't really know wrestling beyond the eye test. In the recent past we have had bonus point monsters in Taylor, Ruth, Retherford, Nickal and Nolf. Does Penn St. have any of these type wrestlers on thier current roster or incoming recruiting class? I know we have very good wrestlers and national champions on our roster, but in those guys I previously mentioned, you pretty much knew who was winning the match. I don't feel like the gap is there with the guys in the current lineup even though many are exceptional wrestlers. I just don't see the freaky dominance amongst the group.
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Hall, Cenzo, Brooks, RBY, Nick Lee just on the current roster. We Are.... Spoiled
Carter Starocci will dominate next year in the tradition of PSU's greatest RS freshmen.
Just remember what a redshirt year did for some of those names on your list. Nick Lee is a dominant junior now without the benefit of a redshirt. RBY is looking much the same. Imagine if either had a year in the room first. I think Brooks will be in that 'monster' category. Likewise Kirk. From where I stand Starocci and Beard are looking really great as well.
I think your observations are colored by 125, 149 and 157. We have kids in the pipeline to address some of this. I think we don't yet know what we have yet with Berge. Last year was a very difficult cut and can't be used as a barometer. This year... probably a medical redshirt/6th year.
Sit back and watch Cael work his magic. We have more monsters in house, you'll see.
I think your observations are colored by 125, 149 and 157. We have kids in the pipeline to address some of this. I think we don't yet know what we have yet with Berge. Last year was a very difficult cut and can't be used as a barometer. This year... probably a medical redshirt/6th year.
Sit back and watch Cael work his magic. We have more monsters in house, you'll see.
DT's "freaky dominance" didn't shine through his true freshman year when Cyler Sanderson beat the crap out of him. PSU will be fine, the hammers are there, and coming.
As those stated above, plus you never know who is going to blossom in State College into a beast. There are guys committed not yet there such as Robbie Howard, Beau Bartlett, Austin Boone, Matt Lee and Aurelius Dunbar. And guys gray shirting and red-shirting such as Barraclough, Busiello, Joe Lee, Starocci, Beard, and Kerkvliet. Cassar did not have the buzz coming in and he became dominant. You just have to become addicted to the sport and go along for the ride. We are so lucky to be PSU Alumns/fans.
I love that @irncty is a fan that never wrestled. We need more to grow this sport to where it belongs. It can't do that with only those of us that have wrestled since the 1st grade.
I love that @irncty is a fan that never wrestled. We need more to grow this sport to where it belongs. It can't do that with only those of us that have wrestled since the 1st grade.
One thing to bear in mind is that the guys you cited are all-time greats in the sport, and not just at Penn State. These guys don't grow on trees, even if it seems that way.
That said, last year Cenzo finished 4th in the NCAA Most Dominant standings, which measures bonus point rate. (Bo and Jason were 1 and 2.)
This year's standings have not yet been released. I'd expect Lee, Cenzo, Hall, and maybe RBY in the top 20.
In time we'll likely see Brooks, Starocci, Beard in the Most Dominant standings. Maybe also RBY, Howard, Bartlett, Joe Lee, etc. (Kerk and Snacks both will score bonus but maybe not at the same rate because HWT.) Some guys might take more time than others. Be patient.
NCAA Award standings for Falls and Tech Falls are out, and I suspect the Most Dominant standings will be published later this week, next week at the latest. Cenzo won't show until he gets to 15 bouts, I believe. Tomorrow's exercise may be to compile the annual list, then track after each weekend's duals.
My math last week had Hall in front of S. Lee by .1 or so until his loss. Now Lee is #1, with Zahid and others chasing. Nick Lee is pretty high too, but I was only looking at four or five guys.
Bloodrazor (from HR)- "PSU board has Brooks, Beard, Starrocci, and Kerkvliet each winning at least 3 natty's. They believe all of them are Nolf level talents."
Not sure who I agree with...Bloodrazor or you fools from BWI. Might go with the people that had Zain ,Nolf,Joseph and Nickal as Taylor type talents.
Not sure who I agree with...Bloodrazor or you fools from BWI. Might go with the people that had Zain ,Nolf,Joseph and Nickal as Taylor type talents.
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No fear!
The room will be loaded next year with RBY, NLee, Verklereen, Gardner, Berge, Pipher, Manville, Brooks, and SNevills all returning joined by incoming freshmen like Howard, Bartlett, Boone, MLee and Dunbar. Throw in RS’s like Barraclough, Busiello, JLee, Starocci, Beard, and Kerkvliet and the depth might be better than ever. Almost two deep at every weight.
Is there a Taylor/Ruth, Retherford, Nolf/Nickal, Joseph/Hall generational talent? Only time will tell but incredible talent will be rolling around in Happy Valley next year.
The room will be loaded next year with RBY, NLee, Verklereen, Gardner, Berge, Pipher, Manville, Brooks, and SNevills all returning joined by incoming freshmen like Howard, Bartlett, Boone, MLee and Dunbar. Throw in RS’s like Barraclough, Busiello, JLee, Starocci, Beard, and Kerkvliet and the depth might be better than ever. Almost two deep at every weight.
Is there a Taylor/Ruth, Retherford, Nolf/Nickal, Joseph/Hall generational talent? Only time will tell but incredible talent will be rolling around in Happy Valley next year.
Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
I'm going with CStar and J Lee as the next wrestlers that pour on the points. CStar is quick as a cat and if gets some pinning combinations down he is going to be down right scary. If Joe had a motor like Nick he's going to push kids to the limit. Add Brooks who is quickly becoming my favorite. You can just see he has another gear he can turn to if he needs too. Beard sheesh we have some big stars coming in and that's just the middle and upper weights. We may have the best team top to bottom ever in a couple of years.
I'm going with Brooks and Starocci. Those two would be some great entertainment watching them "play wrestle" in the room together on new pinning combos
I’d like to see RBY, N.Lee, Brooks, Howard, and Bartlett all shirt next year . That’d set us up for another huge run
Van Ness and Crookham 
Hey maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but how great would those 2 studs look in blue and white.
Hey maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but how great would those 2 studs look in blue and white.
I can see why people would want to insert Howard and Bartlett into next year's lineup, but personally, I don't see RBY and Nick Lee as being big at 133 or 141 and don't really see a compelling reason to bump them unless they're struggling to hold their weight or they ask to move up. I'm not connected enough to the team or wrestlers to say, but I think I've read here that Nick Lee is pretty comfortable at 141, so again, no compelling reason to bump them as I don't see RBY beating him for the spot even if RBY struggled to hold 133 (and I doubt that he does). You could also RS one or both to get Bartlett into the lineup, but it's less likely for Cael to redshirt a guy later in their careers than as a freshman or sophomore (although there is a precedent and I could definitely see RBY redshirting if he does struggle to make 133). Nice to have options like this though and it's very nice to have an incoming 125 that could turn out to be a real stud.
Howard will be next year's 125 unless injured or Cael shirts everyone a la 2015.
If Bartlett goes, more likely at 141 than 133. Not seeing RBY going up.
I would think Howard will be in lineup next year.
I'm cautiously optimistic about how he will perform. I believe he's battling shoulder injury which can be a career issue.
He also lost to High school sophomore Crookman who is as strong as an ox. Crookman is benching over 200 pounds.
Howard had trouble with his strength.
He will run into a lot of strong college kids next year.
I'm cautiously optimistic about how he will perform. I believe he's battling shoulder injury which can be a career issue.
He also lost to High school sophomore Crookman who is as strong as an ox. Crookman is benching over 200 pounds.
Howard had trouble with his strength.
He will run into a lot of strong college kids next year.
I wouldn't count Manville out of the mix.
Any word on how younger Manville is? Last I heard was he had surgery for compression syndrome...
"I just don't see the freaky dominance amongst the group."
Okay so our next class will be more in the Q, Nico, Matt Brown, Molinaro, Cenzo, Mark, Cassar mold of National Champions. That absolutely works for me.
Okay so our next class will be more in the Q, Nico, Matt Brown, Molinaro, Cenzo, Mark, Cassar mold of National Champions. That absolutely works for me.
The first question is whether you saw the future freaky dominance of Ruth, Retherford, Nickal, and Nolf while they were still in high school. I’m hoping you did not. Because only if you foresaw greatness before would it now be a bad sign that you do not foresee greatness now.
I get the question … it's about the guys that get the glory. Don't forget the rest of the roster, at the very least they were invited as preferred walk-ons. All are instrumental in the rate of improvement for the top guys, giving them different looks, styles, etc. All important, since Cael can't coach.
I posted before, He's a great student 4+ GPA
I would think Lehigh is in play. I believe he's been at a few of their duals. He did comment that he had interest in Penn State.
I think where ever he wants to go.
Robbie has had some trouble with the taller, lanky guys in the past (Alvarez, Schwartz) who are 133 pounders in college. Crookham is long limbed, strong and highly skilled. He has NCAA Champion potential from what I have seen. I don’t think Howard losing to him in a match where he also hurt his shoulder is much to worry about going forward. Call me selfish but I hope they are teammates in a few years!
And if you have seen pictures of it and the treatment, they are really nasty - horror movie type stuff. I have no idea the long term impact strength in that muscle but from what I have seen, he is not the same wrestler since his recovery and return to competition.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/carson-manville-surgery-for-compartment-syndrome.232650/
https://www.google.com/search?q=com...biw=412&bih=718&dpr=2.63#imgrc=vMWaKN0GIqnYQM
By "younger" I assume you mean Carson. He's 14-1 this year for Shakopee MN, started at 182 and is now down to 160. The loss was in his 4th match, an injury default, was leading 9-2 at the time. Looks like he missed the first month of the season (including a couple tourneys).
Youngest brother Pierson is 42-3 at 126-138 for Shakopee.
I will feel better about his shoulder situation if he goes through States without issue.
It would be great if Aaron punishes Zahid for beating Mark and for ducking Nickal, just as Cenzo punished IMar for beating Nolf. People gotta learn their lessons!
Not sure where the Assad is bigger & stronger than Brooks came from Bc I heard the flo guys mention it too. Brooks looked much more cut up, and physically dominated the match, I thought.
Something possessed Venz that match, not saying it was a fluke, he thoroughly dominated but I have not seen him wrestle like that any other time.
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