Domestc Violence Prevention.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...470bec-6448-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...470bec-6448-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html
Nfl Players Assn paying lip service to
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Now, THERE'S a reason not to watch the NFL.
The NFL has such a great game that I would think that coming down hard on players that do DV would be easy. People aren't going to stop watching the NFL and will actually admire the NFL for not tolerating DV.
That said, I'm wary of guys having their lives ruined by something they do at 19 or whatever. That article mentions Okla RB Joe Mixon that was drafted by the Bengals. Below is the video of the event. The author of that column seems to think he should not be draftable after this (and I think it happened in his first year at OU rather than his last). It's one punch to someone else that was the aggressor. He can never play in the NFL because of this? Really? Take a look.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/16/joe-mixon-punches-woman-video-released/
You make it sound like self defense. It was not. It was not one punch. She pushed him, and he pushed her. He then punched her.
He did that because he believed it was his right to knock her out. Period.
He has no such right. Wow.
I get what you are saying and I firmly believe that people have the ability to change over time. That said, I also believe firmly that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Thus, I believe Joe Mixon has the right pursue his NFL career but if I was running an NFL organization I wouldn’t even have considered him as a possibility.
But did he stand for the National Anthem? That's more important.
If I'm remembering correctly, that's not the whole story. She and her small homosexual friend walked up to the entrance of the bar, Mixon was standing outside. Mixon sexually propositioned her as they walked up. She and her friend went inside to get away from him. He followed her in. She asked other people at the bar if they knew Mixon, trying to get him to leave her alone. Mixon got mad and slurred her gay friend, she slurred Mixon and pushed him. Mixon pushed back then hit her.
The response to this is easy:
The powers that be don't hold women or even their primarily minority workforce in high regard.
The workforce is generally replaced in its entirety every five to eight years. Look at any NFL roster eight years ago and compare that to today and you may see one or two players on to the roster the are on both.
So if an individual player is a problem - he will be replaced eventually. It's the nature of the business.
Women have always been a secondary class in this country and their concerns are simply not important the powers that be.
The biggest concern for the powers that be is marketing to their primary fan base. And guess what the characteristics of that primary fan base are?
Of course. This is a business.
But I don’t agree with your implicitation that the nfl is inherently anti-women.
I didn't imply the NFL is inherently anti-women.
I made a statement that women are secondary citizens. The NFL, being an overwhelmingly male dominated field treats women as such. Women don't make up a strong part of the audience base.
The nfl respects women. Look at the cheerleaders and all the attractive sideline reporters.
So if a field is overwhelmingly men then that field considers women secondary citizens? So any of them who are married (likely most of them) don't think highly of their wives?
That argument is pretty weak.
I think you were onto something with their workforce being primarily minority, but not where you were going.
The NFL has and has had a major issue with domestic violence. Attempting to work on it is a start.
LdN
Don’t forget the pink towelsThe nfl respects women. Look at the cheerleaders and all the attractive sideline reporters.
Of course! Respect the tits!
If I remember correctly, breast cancer is no longer the official cause of the nfl. Each team selects their cause for which to raise awareness and money each October.
Of course! Respect the tits!
If I remember correctly, breast cancer is no longer the official cause of the nfl. Each team selects their cause for which to raise awareness and money each October.
If that is the case then that's a good thing. The breast cancer "awareness" mantra is kind of a joke.
LdN
Why would you blame the NFL itself for something the players' union did?
More viewers would turn off the games if the players were beating up their girlfriends on the 50-yard line before the kickoff.
If that is what you took from both my post and the article, then the weakness is not my argument, it's your ability to understand it. I cannot make this any simpler for you LdN.
"I made a statement that women are secondary citizens. The NFL, being an overwhelmingly male dominated field treats women as such. Women don't make up a strong part of the audience base."
This is what you wrote and I disagree.
The problems with the NFL and other sports with domestic violence have nothing to do with being male dominated. That's an insult to married men and their wives.
The idea that a business being male dominated means they are OK with wife beating is ridiculous.
LdN
Again, I cannot help you with your cognitive skills with respect to my post. I cannot make my statements any clearer. Perhaps some other poster can spell it out for you in a manner in which you can understand.
Reading that and looking at the video again it it does sound like he was being a provocative a-hole. There ought to be some way to punish someone for being a provocative a-hole. It's not a crime and you can't really make it a crime but OTOH it so often leads to bad stuff. That said though, I'm not sure that he touched her at all before he punched her. He did lurch at her and give the impression he was going to touch her and maybe that's what caused her to try to grab him or whatever he did.
Maybe they do with cops on duty they ought to make football players wear body cams. (I'm joking.)
I think that's a bit much. The NFL wants to make money and that means expanding their market and one way to do that is to increase the appeal to groups that don't watch it as much, such as women. Thus all the pink in October. If they can appeal to women in a way that doesn't lessen the appeal to men then I think they'd want to do that. And the NFL cracking down on DV doesn't turn men off football.
Also, I think implying that women have it so tough in 2018 is off the mark. I think a case could be made that women actually have it better nowadays than men. They have a lot more options in life, they get to determine how many children the have and who with and if they voice displeasure about something society takes them seriously. I think young, attractive, white women in western nations in 2018 are the single most privileged group in all of human history.
They are not attempting to work on lt. They are paying it lip service.
It does give the appearance that the NFL isn't doing anything but I don't understand the NFL's motive for doing such. This seems to me to be a no brainer. It's not like if they suspend some guys there will be nobody left to play in their games.
Just start coming down hard on DVers. The NFL will then look caring. The players will try harder to be good citizens. A few will be bad and get harsh punishments and be an object lesson as well as living monuments to the fact that the NFL cares. And the games will go on and still be popular. This seems so obvious to me. What am I missing?
my guess- and it's only that- is that very few owners want to risk losing a game changing player because what they really care about is winning (and the revenue that comes with it)
The NFL and the NFLPA are often at odds, to say the least. Maybe the sponsors of this important cause would be better served going directly to the NFL. The NFLPA may be getting internal pressure from their members (active and retired players) to be more moderate in their support of the cause than they should be from a moral standpoint. These are NFLPA members who will be suspended or tossed out of the league, and maybe the PA feels they should not get wholly behind that effort. Just spitballin' here, boss.
Another avenue is the NFL Alumni Assn or network, which is separate from the NFLPA. From what I hear, those two organizations are sometimes at odds, too.
I hope these women don't give up entirely. There are these other avenues, and there are other leagues to seek out for maximum awareness for their cause. Of course, this bad pub may be enough to spur the NFLPA to take another look at their role in this.
Another avenue is the NFL Alumni Assn or network, which is separate from the NFLPA. From what I hear, those two organizations are sometimes at odds, too.
I hope these women don't give up entirely. There are these other avenues, and there are other leagues to seek out for maximum awareness for their cause. Of course, this bad pub may be enough to spur the NFLPA to take another look at their role in this.
I hope all that happens, but it has been FOUR YEARS. Two years since they made their recommendations.
These are top pros in the gender violence movement. Doubt they are wrong in their analysis. Its a marker. When an NFL player injures or murders his girlfriend or wife, then we will hear how hard the NFLPA has been trying.
I'm nowhere near as smart as you (being part of the hopeless idiocracy and all), so I'm not sure I understand your point. I was talking about other avenues for raising awareness and increasing prevention. I'm sure I'm too dumb to understand the larger point, of course!
So, to open my mouth and erase all doubt....
The women are trying to raise awareness for the issue of domestic violence, in an effort to help prevent it, and to help the victims have the courage to come forward to report it. Of course the victims of violence should report it to the police. Not all do.
The idea then is that if convicted, the players should expect some retribution from their employers, as well as what the legal system gives. (That's not necessarily unique to professional sports.) All of that helps to make people think about it and hopefully reconsider before striking out in anger.
I saw something about the Minnesota ex-players bringing a lawsuit against the University. Hope they win that. And yes, there should be strong advocacy for the "reverse" victims... those who are falsely accused. Unfortunately, the knee-jerk reaction of most people equates to convictions based on accusations, making due process unpopular enough to drive the average person who would advocate for it back into the shadows.
Let me have it, Stormer! (How long has it been since anyone said that to you?! Ha!)
Prison? You do not know very much about DV in this country. So, what percentage of DV perps go to prison? How many go to jail? Does jail or prison make them less likely to reoffend?
There is a chance that people who have spent their careers studying this issue know slightly more about it than you.
I know that is shocking. Jail does not work for this anymore than it does for addiction. Addressing it in a way which threatens what is important to him works a lot better though not perfectly by any means.
Dont let not knowing WTH you're talking about slow you down, though.
I'd say you're about as knowledgeable as NFL management. That is the problem.
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