Martin is certainly an AA candidate. I don't think the bracket will part for him quite as easily this year as it did last. Just by sheer depth, 184 is much deeper than 174 last year. But his matches with Zavatsky, Brooks and Dechow, all also AA contenders were tight affairs. He only needs 1 or 2 of those to break his way to be on the podium.
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Disagree, this year's history and resume (which is all that is relevant to 84) suggests that he will lose to one of the currently ranked Top 10 wrestlers prior to the Championship Bracket Quarters. The same resume suggests that he will lose in the blood-round in the Consi-Bracket to a currently ranked Top 10 wrestler. I think the probability that Martin makes the podium is less than 25% (i.e., < 1-in-4).
Right, but that was supposed to happen last season and didn't. We need to just pump our brakes with regard to whether Martin will AA or not. He's a former national champion and is certainly a contender to AA.
And discounting his matches against Bo and Dean, he's been very competitive with the others. It will all depend on seeding and whether he can turn these small margin losses into victories. But the 3 matches he's had against non-Bo and Dean top 10 wrestlers contain hardly a wide enough sample to make definitive conclusions.
Could Martin lose before the quarters? Maybe! We don't know yet, it will depend where he gets seeded. But again, you are putting superficial odds on it, which seems problematic.
Not "problematic" at all, wtf are you talking about??? He's 0-5 against the only Top 10 wrestler's he's faced this year - can you show me a legitimate AA threat that he has actually beaten? No, you can't....he has lost to every single wrestler of note @84 that he has faced and has beaten absolutely no one of note, but according to you this is not evidence of anything? His ACTUAL RECORD against currently Top 10 ranked wrestlers (0-5 as in an 0'fer) most definitely suggests that he will not make the quarters of the Champ Bracket (i.e., very LOW PROBABILITY that he will make the quarters of the Champ Bracket). It also suggests that he will be unlikely to make it through the "Blood Round" in the Consi Bracket. That's based purely on his 0-5 record against currently Top 10 ranked wrestlers!
All we've learned is he's not as good as Gabe Dean or Bo Nickal, and probably not even on the top half of the podium. Here are his other losses:
1/27/17 - No. 5 Sammy Brooks by 2 points
12/29/16 - No. 9 Jack Dechow by 3 points
12/2/16 - No. 4 Zack Zavatsky by 2 points
That's 7 points separating 3 matches. 3 matches is a small sample size (so I think making conclusions based on that is problematic), and these matches were all tight. I'm not counting his matches against Bo and Dean or thinking they indicate anything about how he'll perform in March (apart from he won't stand atop the podium). I'm looking at his performances against the others, and I can't conclusively say he's got a low probability of being an AA.
Would I bet my life on Martin AAing this year? No. But he's not getting blown out by guys we expect will AA. I wouldn't discredit wins against Gravina or Parker either. While I don't think they have a high probability to AA, they're both guys who I think could be in the Round of 12 on Friday night, so they have a chance in my eyes.
We need to wait and see what round he faces PD3.
No $hit.....PD3 talks a lot of smack for a guy that is only 7-2 with no wins against anyone of note and both losses coming to unranked wrestlers.
He's 0'fer against the 5 currently Top 10 wrestlers he's faced this year - again, he's faced 5 separate wrestlers who are currently ranked in the Top 10 (half the universe) and he's lost to every single on of them! 0 for 5......no wins against any of them.....still looking for a quality win......etc.. He'll be lucky to be the 5-seed in the B1G Tourney for Pete's sake! LMFAO! You suckeye homers are nearly as pathetic as your HC - let me guess, he'd be undefeated except for bus-rides and average officiating.....
Article said he lost to Dudley's backup at UNL (Taylor Venz) in the quarters of the Dr. Nichols Open. Also showed him losing to guy from Navy in Consi Bracket..... But I just looked him up on Intermat and it says both those matches were Medical Forfeits (MFs don't count as a loss). Don't know whether the first was an Injury Default or what (injury default counts as loss), but Intermat showing both to be MFs so according to that his record would be 7-0, but none against a ranked wrestler as far as I can tell.
I'm not disagreeing, I think he does run his mouth too much for someone that hasn't done much and rarely sees the mat this year. Having said that, if he can somehow see postseason tournament time and stay healthy, I think he's going to be a tough out. Hell, if he's healthy I can see him finishing in the top 5.
I graduated from Penn State in 2010 and write about PSU wrestling. My "suckeye" homerism has shown up about as often as PD3 at a dual.
I expect Martin to AA this year. If you watched his matches this year, he was right there with Brooks, Dechow, and Zavitsky. Bo and Dean are on another level so don't expect them to have any trouble with Martin in March.
Your facts, although interesting, are irrelevant to Franklin.
You are correct. Franklin, while very knowledgeable about wrestling, who's knowledge seems to only be rivaled by his passion, is not one to admit somebody with an opposing view might have a point, even if you present him the facts.
He'll grow on you...maybe.
I like Franklin! Lmao...no,not really. Seriously though, I really like Franklin.
No I don't... umm... yes I...
Martin has looked better of late and I would expect him to AA. That said, Dean and Bo are on their own level and, barring injury, their meeting in the finals is all but inevitable.
I'm sensing something might be up with PD3. Nothing concrete just getting a different vibe from his latest tweets. That and PD2 has been eerily silent lately.
What like PD3's references that he's on the market for a new team he can lead to the promised land? Yea, those are some pretty odd tweets...
Not so much those. I attributed those to his just going off after the coach he likes so much was pushed out the door. His latest tweets to me suggest that something else is up and it's affecting him this year not next. Also, his pops has been very silent on things. That's not like him. PD3 just now tweeted he's surrounded by fakes and snakes. I'm thinking shit is hitting the fan over something he's done... Time will tell.
If he doesn't face Dean or Bo in quarters, he will be in semis, and will AA.
Martin is capable of beating just about anyone. Although very unlikely he beats Dean or Bo, he could end up next in line. Even then, he figured it out against Bo last March so taking him lightly (not saying Bo will) would be a mistake. Martin does seem to be hitting his stride a bit.
Martin did nothing in the match last March that "figured out" Bo - Bo threw him to his back (just like he did during the PSU-daO$U dual and the B1G Tourney last year) and would have pinned him just like he did at B1Gs except he got slightly past center on finish and failed to spread-eagle his legs to maintain his base. The notion that Martin "figured it out" in regards to Bo is laughable as this year's match demonstrated where Bo dominated him 8-2 and won quite easily.
Who is 1-4 against Nickal and was Bo's b!tch as per usual again this year in the B1G dual and will be his b!tch again at the upcoming B1G Tourney? I doubt they'll even meet at NCAAs (or probably B1Gs) as Martin will likely be in Consi Bracket long before the Championship Bracket semis.....LOL
Don't get in his way. He was at Pearl Harbor when the Germans bombed it, and his mind still suffers.
Shouldn't you be using your time explaining to us how The Mullet really didn't duck Jackson for seeding purposes....or how Q and Gilman's dual meet behavior is similar? LMFAO that lame-o squawkeye fan is now going to pollute another thread on this, a PSU, board.
Not Bo, so I can't answer...though can add my thoughts after listening to him and Cael often enough. History is still being written, and the "one-loss" is part of Bo (he calls it "God's Plan"), and is a driving force in his preparation. So my thought on his answer would be "I wouldn't change a thing".
Really? How do you know that suckeye troll? Now you're going to speak for Bo? What a douche and a laughable little suckeye turd u r, especially laughable to be declaring others a troll on a PSU Board.
BTW, I'm quite sure Bo would prefer to be UNDEFEATED this year @84 and looking at a 2-seed at NCAAs like he is rather than have 5-losses and will probably be out of the Championship Bracket at both the NCAA and B1G Tourneys before even remotely sniffing the Championship Round.....LOL that Bo would rather have Martin's craptastic record....
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Martin does appear to be wrestling much better of late just in time for Bigs and Nationals. He should not be taken lightly.
That said, the notion that he has "figured it out" vs Bo is simply absurd. Bo dominated him just a week ago and is by far the superior wrestler.
Any objective, knowledgeable wrestling fan without a dog in this race knows that to be true.
That said, the notion that he has "figured it out" vs Bo is simply absurd. Bo dominated him just a week ago and is by far the superior wrestler.
Any objective, knowledgeable wrestling fan without a dog in this race knows that to be true.
To be fair, in my post I even said it was "very unlikely" Martin could get past Bo. I'm not predicting a victory, I'm just saying the guy has done it before. To say he isn't in the conversation to AA or even to pull an upset is disingenuous.
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