Football NON-PSU RELATED: Potential No.1 overall pick Jalen Carter subject of arrest warrents for involvement in crash that killed Devin Willock
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Right--if you're not in prison I'll take a chance on you. This situation was a young adult doing something really stupid then panicking and making it worse. He's an elite talent--I'm taking a chance on him. Especially if he falls past 4.
See Mixon or Tunsil.
See Randy Moss if you want to go back further. Hell even Parsons had character concerns and I thought it was insane he fell past 5.
So a couple of players have been arrested for shootings or gun violations….and that’s ok. Or Lewis that knocked out his girlfriend in an elevator……just fine if he isn’t in jail or prison. How about a vehicular manslaughter for killing some while DUI?
My wife works for UPenn and her department has a vehicle that is for company business. There is a pretty strict format where it is signed out, purpose stated, mileage recorded, and job # or grant # for billing purposes.
I hear about this once in awhile when stuff goes awry...like the interior of the vehicle being caked in mud the day that the van was to pick up some foriegn dignitaries at the airport. Another similar issue occurred with the PA Secretary of Agriculure visiting needing a quick morning detailer to work some magic.
Unless the driver was in full time possession of the ride, there should be an internal paper trail that cannot likely be favorable for Georgia.
Marshall's point about policy and enforcement is a strong one too. Maybe there were other staffers out that night with players in company cars that didn't have issues? Is that any different in terms of deviation from policy? Did they get reprimanded or written up? Logic says that people probably try to use the company car (AND GAS) as much as possible.....or they can get away with.
We may never know the actual settlement amounts, but tens of millions seems to make sense. A real sad situation all around.
All fine...if you're not in prison and you help the team you're fine. See Vick after the dog fighting. And, yes, the guy that knocked out his girlfriend should have gotten a second chance. I thought it was Rice but maybe Lewis. Ray Lewis basically did kill someone and still played. See Kareem Hunt. Again, not talking about sainthood here. Talking about playing football.
Yes it was Ray Rice, not Ray Lewis. Lewis was involved in a double murder in a seriously screwed up investigation that left him scot free.
At least now we know more about you.
Yes, you know that if I was a GM or an owner by priority is winning. Horrible I know. Drop the holier than thou nonsense.
Don't know if anyone brought up this point but I'm curious as to how the beverages were purchased that fateful evening. Could they have been credited to a university expense card?
I copied a twitter post above that indicates one of the first actions Smart undertook as HC was to shield transparency concerning player legal missteps.
I had a conversation with someone who knew a Georgia Booster (this was long before the incident). The topic was essentially how Mark Richt would not allow certain activities and Kirby had no such objections.......
Not all companies are like that--maybe they should be but they aren't
Also, do we know if this was a vehicle that she had full-time possession of as part of her job? My company has many positions in which people have company cars that can also be used for personal use.
I saw your link and also thought of the possibility of company cards as a paper trail. A tangled web for sure. My grandmother sent me a sticker in college that said "He who hoots with the owls at night cannot soar with the eagles in the morning."
Most here have likely done their share of hooting, and by grace or blind luck, avoided the outcome that befell those in this incident. Whenever you examine too closely a car, a house or even your own life, there are blemishes.
The story has taken an unforseen twist, but it turns out that many had likely seen it coming. They just weren't talking about it. Yet.
We have had our own issues so there are no stones to throw at Georgia's glass house. Good work by the journalists to fact find. This tale is far from over.
I haven't seen any stories with details about that. I compared UGA to Penn because maybe colleges share similar usage systems. You are correct that many companies allow for personal use too.
When I worked for a sports team my choice was to have them pay the lease for a new car and then not get reimbursed for mileage, or to use my own car and get whatever the standard rate per mile was. Since most of my work was in the stadium with limited local driving, I chose the lease. Which while paid for as a perk, it was registered in my name. When I left the team the lease stayed with me personally.
If it was a Georgia paid lease that she had done the contract for that would favor the university. From their first statements about the unauthorized use in this case, it is more likely a fleet vehicle registered to UGA (like the Penn one).
Technically my wife should use the department vehicle when she drives new (often international) Post Doctoral researchers to get drivers licenses, help find apartments, go to immigration in Philly, or even to the grocery sttore. She is more comfortable driving her own vehicle and there has never been a hassle.
Since the driver/ staffer was likely doing meet and greets for recruits/families/ airport runs and sightseeing tours she may have parked the vehicle at her residence, with the understanding to only use for business. A big SUV fits big people and lots of luggage, while also giving the appearance of power/ strength/ presidential motorcade style.
All will eventually come out in the wash and/or court.. Tragic all around.
Keywords here are probably leases vs rentals to some extent. Even still, I find it hard to believe that low level staff have 247 access to nearly brand new high end vehicles.
Additionally, aren't these vehicles primarily for transporting recruits on OVs or taking the coaches to the airport, etc?
Finally, you aren't going to find ANYONE who will sign off on a company vehicle being used for visiting strip clubs and drinking. Usually people are told "find other transportation to do such" because this is the OOPS!~ type of misshap that screws things up for everyone else.
In this case, 2 died.
Additionally, aren't these vehicles primarily for transporting recruits on OVs or taking the coaches to the airport, etc?
Finally, you aren't going to find ANYONE who will sign off on a company vehicle being used for visiting strip clubs and drinking. Usually people are told "find other transportation to do such" because this is the OOPS!~ type of misshap that screws things up for everyone else.
In this case, 2 died.
I've got a PSU buddy who sells hazard insurance to car dealerships. He spends a lot of time at restaurants, bars, golf courses and the occasional strip club.
I'll ask him what their policies are- as I know he drove a company car most of the time when his territory was East of the Mississippi. On the one hand, they are in the actuarial industry, so they are all about probabilities. On the other hand, any salesman knows to meet the customer where they are, and do what you need to do to close the deal.
As a career changer who became a high school teacher, I'm glad that all of that stuff is not a part of my new industry!
To be fair, the expectation was probably she would remain sober and transport drunk people from an event. She went rouge which I'm sure is easy to do and this tragedy happened.
I'm sure they had a written policy on vehicle usage. Whether it was strictly enforced or adhered to is another matter. It would seem unlikely that this was the only occasion that protocol was breached. The time for "covering their ass" has long since passed. I can't imagine this case ever reaching court.
In addition, if there is a policy and it was routinely ignored, I doubt their insurance carrier is about to help with the settlements.
My assumption is there is an investigate reporter looking to earn some bones and we will find out a lot more about visits to watering holes, the use of university plastic and some interesting recruiting fables etc.
Agree that no college football team is a haven for prospective choir boys. Even though my small college football experience was 68-70, something just as tragic could have occurred on many evenings.
However, I will render an opinion that the Joe Paterno, Mark Richt, James Franklin style of management at least establishes boundaries and render consequences for over stepping them.
I have long thought of Smart as a bit "dirty." It is just my opinion.
