North Carolina just fired Mack Brown
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One of the many reasons to not freak out at recruiting early on is this. His firing will have an effect. Who they hire to replace him will have another effect. But many others are going to be fired or quit. That will set off a hailstorm in recruiting and transfers.
One benefit PSU has had is stability. We need to capitalize on that. When you look at our rivals (Michigan, Ohio State, Washington, USC, Oregon) we have had far greater stability in the last ten years.
You may have inadvertently stumbled across the problem.
Mack Brown's firing at UNC could open a door for Penn State with QB target
Mack Brown's departure from Chapel Hill could be big news for Penn State on the recruiting trail.
I'm not saying I want JF fired, but stability doesn't mean success. OSU has had greater success with the Urban drama and transition to Day. Meatchicken has been awful but wound up wth Natty. Washington played for the natty last year. Oregon has been up and down but is currently the unanimous #1 in Lanning's 3rd year.
Yep. Depends on who you want to be. I know that I sacrificed a lot of my career because I wanted to be able to look at myself in the mirror every morning while shaving. I am extremely happy with that, or those, decisions.
It's possible to have change ethically.
Cheating causes instability for sure, but sometimes, change, on your own terms is necessary to grow and improve.
True...but of the teams I mentioned, coaches either left for "better" programs or were fired for cheating.
Pretty good. Mack is 73. While I've always liked him, 73 is tough to compete with especially when recruiting. There are a lot of good coaches at the MAC and CUSA level who would jump at the chance to coach NC. NC is in a GREAT position for recruiting, BTW.
Doubt it. Brown deserves something better than the pitters -- no fan base, rented stadium, "campus" in a crime infested, soot covered slum, haven't had fewer than 3 losses in 42 years, etc. Brown will probably end up at a MAC level school.
It’s not the age that matters most it’s the person. I can think of two people older than that, one was a coach and one a politician who young people absolutely love/loved. I’m guessing Mack was popular with the players. Put me down for UNC is going nowhere fast. As in back to their historical record of suck.
Andy Kotelnicki is a name being floated around for NC head coach. Here is the early list I am seeing.
- Tulane's Sumeral
- Liberty's Chadwell
- UNLV's Odom
- Dan Mullen
Of course they could hire the World’s Greatest Coach away from Boston College if they want to make sure they stay at 6-5.
Have they ever? I don't remember, it seems they have always been mediocre. It's a basketball first and foremost but in this day and age they can do a lot better in football.
Of that lot I would go with Odom, maybe. I will be shocked if it's not PJ Fleck.
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Nobody cares about unanimous #1 including you unless it is at the end of the season. Using your metric of winning a "Natty" Joe was not successful his last 35 years or the first 20.
I guess only one coach a year is successful and ONE of the three was just fired. Only two successful coaches left in the league.
The same position he would play at UNC. Do you think the next OC will put up less points vs OSU?
How would you feel about hiring old veteran coordinators who are not going to go anywhere and then hiring young dynamic position coaches who are great recruiters?
As is, even if we get great coordinators they end up leaving before we get a chance to develop into a NC.
As is, even if we get great coordinators they end up leaving before we get a chance to develop into a NC.
It is not just about being better. It is also about being here long enough to develop into a team with a shot at a championship.
OK, let's do this....24 vs 23 offense so far
2023 Offense
2023 Offense
- 18.9 completions on 31.8 attempts per game for 60%
- 215 Yards per game passing
- 194.8 Yards per game rushing, an average of 4.7 ypc
- 43.3 Yards per Game in Penalties with 0.6 turnovers per game
- Total Yards per Game 399
- 19.4 completions on 26.8 attempts per game for 72.2%
- 253.2 Yards per game passing
- 192.5 Yards per game rushing, an average of 5.2 ypc
- 44.1 yards per game in penalties with .8 turnovers per game
- Total yards per game 445
You are a joebot. You spent years complaining because we did not make the playoffs. We are going to make the playoffs and you are now complaining we are not successful.
What is your definition of success? Championship? That rules out Day and 99% of the coaches who you want to hire. If your benchmark is making the playoffs then JF is in the mix.
What is your definition of success and can you name three successful coaches in college football?
"Joebot" - Noun - The slang term used by mentally ill PSU fans in an attempt to discredit anyone that criticizes the performance of a coach that came after Joe Paterno.
Please find any instance, let alone years, of me complaining about not making the 4 team playoff. You'll never see me complain about "not [being] successful" on the football field. In athletics, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. You will see me discuss the mental errors and strategic shortcomings of the coaches. An $8M coach should be better at preparing his team with a game plan and in-game management.
I have been very consistent in pointing out everything JF does well(recruiting, politician, culture, media) as well as his very obvious shortcomings in actual football coaching, which has led to an abysmal record against teams with similar to better talent, and has often led to losses/scares against teams with lesser talent where PSU gets outcoached. Matter of fact, JF very obviously is a CEO HC. PSU's on-field performance ebbs and flows almost exclusively based on who the OC/DC are. You can see it very obviously.
Conversely, look at Saban's tenure at ALA. They had perhaps more coaching turnover than PSU, but their performance didn't live and die year-to-year by the hires. Saban very clearly put his stamp on things and there was consistency. Again, you can ignore all of this if you want and call me names, (as if I didn't say many times that Joe should have retired during the dark years b/c his heart wasn't in it after George passed away), but that doesn't mean you are correct. Once again, enjoy your turkey.
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I don’t have the slightest interest in UNC and I expect a crap hire and return to mediocrity. To be honest they don’t deserve someone like Mack Brown.
I think Mac Brown will retire from coaching and go to work for TV.
