Not so fast, my friends! Ohio State fans claim Courtney Smith is "not credible," "crazy" & "a drunk"

[wbcincy]

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miguelissimo

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The more I read about Courtney's alcohol problems and numerous calls to the police, the more optimistic I become. It sounds to me like everyone, police included, were fully aware of Zack and Courteney's dysfunctional relationship. It sounds like it was common knowledge and something that no longer needed to be reported because authorities were well aware.

But Urban said last week he was not aware. And these idiots continue not to understand that the police investigation and whether police were aware is irrelevant, the Title IX requirements must be met regardless.

 

[PSUcup1]

I dare say the only that stopped our resident victim bashers was not yet knowing who the victims were.

I’m not saying it hasn’t happened. I’m saying it didn’t happen 24 hours after the story broke. It’s happened (the overwhelming majority of it) after more information has come out ...some info that has certainly called their credibility into question.

 

[step.eng69]

“You know everybody murders people, steals from each other, beats their wife......”

• "Not everybody's the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I think that people need a second chance."
  Terrelle Pryor

Classy move by President Spanier requesting that these shirts be removed from sale in State College.

 

[Chris92]

I’m not saying it hasn’t happened. I’m saying it didn’t happen 24 hours after the story broke. It’s happened (the overwhelming majority of it) after more information has come out ...some info that has certainly called their credibility into question.

I agree. When the presentment came out, I had no idea PA allowed creative liberties in those and believed it to be all true. The only bashing that was going on was by opposing fan bases against the entire PSU community.

No one cared about the victims when Ganim wrote her initial piece in March 2011. It was pretty much a local story that died quickly. People only feigned interest in November that year because it was an opportunity to take down Joe. If you saw the tweets I embedded earlier in this thread from 2012, the same people that were all about the victims in 2011/2012 are now supporting Zach Smith and Urban. Just remember, we have the culture problem.

 

[fastlax16]

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So he, and apparently all of columbus, knew this disturbed woman was being abused for years and did nothing but write about it? That’s what they’re going to go with? “They’ve been beating each other for years so we just go with it.” Link to the story from 6 years ago?

 

[Locolion]

Oh, how I would relish a 4 game suspension for Urban Meyer. #WhiteOut

At this year’s white out we can all wear white wife beaters (to support the victims of course)

 

[AWS1022]

Here comes the victim bashing...

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So apparently Urban should be fired for wrongful termination of an employee.

 

[tboyer]

There's knowing and there's KNOWING.

There's knowing that Sandusky was taking boys to the showers at Lasch. There's knowing that your grad assistant coach, someone you trust, thought he heard sounds of having sex. But does that add up to KNOWING?

So this case -- there's knowing that a guy has a drinking problem and gets into epic fights with his wife. There's knowing that you keep him on staff, even though he is a substandard coach, because of a promise made to Earle Bruce. Knowing that his wife talks to your wife about it. But does it add up to KNOWING this coach is beating his wife?

The circumstances sure didn't look good for Paterno/Curley/Schultz. It was hard for most of us to believe that these men would intentionally cover for a child molester. But public opinion, looking at the facts with the full benefit hindsight, was not going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

So it is with this case. The circumstances look really bad for Meyer -- the basic outlines of a troubled marriage, drinking problems and at least the strong likelihood of violence -- these things really were known to Meyer and his staff, that seems pretty clear. So whether he actually technically was informed of a specific case of spousal abuse -- it may not matter. Meyer may be buried by public opinion just as Paterno was.

Meyer is on the whole a principled guy with good values, like Paterno was. And yet we know Meyer is complicated and makes compromises (just like Paterno did). I think he tries to do the right thing, but sometimes he's going to make mistakes just like Paterno did.

I think the nature of the victims has to play into it. Sandusky was victimizing boys, and boys whose families were dependent on the Second Mile for money and material gifts and access to the Penn State football program.

Zach Smith was allegedly victimizing his wife who, if the story is true, put up with abuse for many years before she finally made a criminal complaint, got a divorce and got a restraining order.

What requirement did Urban and Shelley Meyer have to pro-actively find out the truth and try to help this woman when she wasn't able/willing to help herself get out of the violence -- or maybe for all we know she begged her friends to NOT take action to protect her? All we know for sure is that public opinion in 2017 is not going to give the Meyers the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Howie'81]

Here comes the victim bashing...

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And all we heard from these twits during our crisis was that we don't care about the victims. Asshats.

 

[fastlax16]

There's knowing and there's KNOWING.

There's knowing that Sandusky was taking boys to the showers at Lasch. There's knowing that your grad assistant coach, someone you trust, thought he heard sounds of having sex. But does that add up to KNOWING?

So this case -- there's knowing that a guy has a drinking problem and gets into epic fights with his wife. There's knowing that you keep him on staff, even though he is a substandard coach, because of a promise made to Earle Bruce. Knowing that his wife talks to your wife about it. But does it add up to KNOWING this coach is beating his wife?

The circumstances sure didn't look good for Paterno/Curley/Schultz. It was hard for most of us to believe that these men would intentionally cover for a child molester. But public opinion, looking at the facts with the full benefit hindsight, was not going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

So it is with this case. The circumstances look really bad for Meyer -- the basic outlines of a troubled marriage, drinking problems and at least the strong likelihood of violence -- these things really were known to Meyer and his staff, that seems pretty clear. So whether he actually technically was informed of a specific case of spousal abuse -- it may not matter. Meyer may be buried by public opinion just as Paterno was.

Meyer is on the whole a principled guy with good values, like Paterno was. And yet we know Meyer is complicated and makes compromises (just like Paterno did). I think he tries to do the right thing, but sometimes he's going to make mistakes just like Paterno did.

I think the nature of the victims has to play into it. Sandusky was victimizing boys, and boys whose families were dependent on the Second Mile for money and material gifts and access to the Penn State football program.

Zach Smith was allegedly victimizing his wife who, if the story is true, put up with abuse for many years before she finally made a criminal complaint, got a divorce and got a restraining order.

What requirement did Urban and Shelley Meyer have to pro-actively find out the truth and try to help this woman when she wasn't able/willing to help herself get out of the violence -- or maybe for all we know she begged her friends to NOT take action to protect her? All we know for sure is that public opinion in 2017 is not going to give the Meyers the benefit of the doubt.

Just responding to your last line. Not sure what 2017 would have thought but right now 2018 is giving Urban far more benefit than Joe ever did. Every report I hear read is open to the idea that Urban can be redeemed if evidence shows he made a report.

 

[mean15]

One twit on the O-Zone says that the blood on her face "looks fake".

Another says that Urbie had no first hand knowledge, just "rumors and hearsay". And yet, rumors and hearsay were enough to crucify Paterno....

 

[NittanyLion15]

Oh, how I would relish a 4 game suspension for Urban Meyer. #WhiteOut

I'd rather have it be his first game back TBH

 

[demlion]

There's knowing and there's KNOWING. There's knowing you flatly denied on national TV that you ever had any knowledge of 2015, which if it is a lie, answers the question about you knowing.

There's knowing that Sandusky was taking boys to the showers at Lasch. There's knowing that your grad assistant coach, someone you trust, thought he heard sounds of having sex. But does that add up to KNOWING? There's knowing you sent Earle Bruce and your personal life coach or whatever he is down to Florida in 2009 to talk the victim out of pressing charges, and that you succeeded.

So this case -- there's knowing that a guy has a drinking problem and gets into epic fights with his wife. There's knowing that you keep him on staff, even though he is a substandard coach, because of a promise made to Earle Bruce. Knowing that his wife talks to your wife about it. But does it add up to KNOWING this coach is beating his wife? It does if you lie about it on National TV.

The circumstances sure didn't look good for Paterno/Curley/Schultz. It was hard for most of us to believe that these men would intentionally cover for a child molester. But public opinion, looking at the facts with the full benefit hindsight, was not going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

So it is with this case. The circumstances look really bad for Meyer -- the basic outlines of a troubled marriage, drinking problems and at least the strong likelihood of violence -- these things really were known to Meyer and his staff, that seems pretty clear. So whether he actually technically was informed of a specific case of spousal abuse -- it may not matter. Meyer may be buried by public opinion just as Paterno was.

Meyer is on the whole a principled guy with good values, like Paterno was. And yet we know Meyer is complicated and makes compromises (just like Paterno did). I think he tries to do the right thing, but sometimes he's going to make mistakes just like Paterno did. I KNOW Joe Paterno's character. Not sure Urby is his equal.

I think the nature of the victims has to play into it. Sandusky was victimizing boys, and boys whose families were dependent on the Second Mile for money and material gifts and access to the Penn State football program.

Zach Smith was allegedly victimizing his wife who, if the story is true, put up with abuse for many years before she finally made a criminal complaint, got a divorce and got a restraining order.

What requirement did Urban and Shelley Meyer have to pro-actively find out the truth and try to help this woman when she wasn't able/willing to help herself get out of the violence -- or maybe for all we know she begged her friends to NOT take action to protect her? All we know for sure is that public opinion in 2017 is not going to give the Meyers the benefit of the doubt.

 

[wbcincy]

There's knowing and there's KNOWING.

There's knowing that Sandusky was taking boys to the showers at Lasch. There's knowing that your grad assistant coach, someone you trust, thought he heard sounds of having sex. But does that add up to KNOWING?

So this case -- there's knowing that a guy has a drinking problem and gets into epic fights with his wife. There's knowing that you keep him on staff, even though he is a substandard coach, because of a promise made to Earle Bruce. Knowing that his wife talks to your wife about it. But does it add up to KNOWING this coach is beating his wife?

What requirement did Urban and Shelley Meyer have to pro-actively find out the truth and try to help this woman when she wasn't able/willing to help herself get out of the violence -- or maybe for all we know she begged her friends to NOT take action to protect her? All we know for sure is that public opinion in 2017 is not going to give the Meyers the benefit of the doubt.

Well, Courtney was sending pictures of the abuse to Shelley, Shelley said she has to show Urban, and Courtney said yes please do. There are also texts from another coach's wife stating that Urban asked Zach about it, and Courtney did not protest. So that kind of removes the possibility that she begged friends NOT to take action. It's also impossible to think Shelley would not reveal to her husband that one of his coaches is allegedly beating his wife, especially when Shelley herself said Zach scares her.

As to Urban and Shelley's requirement to act pro-actively to discover the truth? None. What Title IX and OSU's policy does require is for both of them to report the allegation to the university. They did not.

 

[fastlax16]

I'd rather have it be his first game back TBH

It would be with a 4 game. Psu/Osu is the 5th game of the season.

 

[NitneLiun]

As to Urban and Shelley's requirement to act pro-actively to discover the truth? None. What Title IX and OSU's policy does require is for both of them to report the allegation to the university. They did not.

Not entirely accurate. BTN went over this last night. Urban's contract specifically requires him to report such abuse not to the university, but directly to the Title IX coordinator.

 

[DandyDonII]

In Urban's defense, by the time this happened, Joe had died, so Urban was no longer sure who he was supposed to call to report all things criminal...

 

[AWS1022]

Here comes the victim bashing...

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My question is if she was so horrible, why did he stay with her? We know there were problems in 09, so for the last nine years he has put up with all this crap and didn’t leave her? Yeah, right.

 

[sluggo72]

My question is if she was so horrible, why did he stay with her? We know there were problems in 09, so for the last nine years he has put up with all this crap and didn’t leave her? Yeah, right.

Weren't they divorced in 2010?

 

[NittPicker]

In Urban's defense, by the time this happened, Joe had died, so Urban was no longer sure who he was supposed to call to report all things criminal...

Amen. Not only did Joe know about everything that happened in State College and personally receive reports of such activity, it was also his responsibility to do the same for every university in the Big Ten. Wife beater in Columbus? Call Joe. Cheese thief in Madison? Call Joe. Kids throwing corn on Halloween in Lincoln? Call Joe dammit!!!

 

[sdwcpa]

As an OSU fan I responded to an earlier thread.

Well as the saying goes:" in for a penny in for a pound" So here goes:

So what do we have here?

1 A BSC lush who as already admitted that she did not press charges because she was she was afraid of ZS losing his job. Translation: Putting her alimony check ahead of both her and her children's safety. As soon as ZS is fired she hooks up( not literally I don't think anyway) with a reporter who has a long term ax to grind with Urban with the idea of using him to set up a much bigger payday with a lawsuit against OSU.

2 A reporter who apparently has a long term ax to grind with Urban going back to the days when Urban was in Florida and he was a CFB writer for the Tampa Tribune. He spends 3 days in Columbus and ONLY talks to Courtney Smith. Does not even attempt to talk to:

Urban Meyer
Shelly Meyer
Any of the other coaches wives
Gene Smith
Anybody at OSU for that matter
Zack Smith
Zack Smith's attorney

3 A media that is in a constant contest to see who can pile on the most and the fastest. If nothing else this board should be in agreement on that.

4 Urban Meyer: And this is a BIG IF: IF he did report to his superiors back in 2015 and can prove it( I can not imagine him not having proof after coming out with that statement yesterday afternoon) then his only sin is lying to the media. Trump lies to the media every day, Obama lied to the media almost daily for a year with" If you like your current health Plan you can keep it"
I have no idea why he lied to the media. I do not buy for a second the" I was unprepared" story. He HAD to know given the timing of the ZS firing right in the middle of B10 media days that it was going to come up. Pure speculation on my part says that he did not feel that it was the right forum to bring his wife and the other coaches's wives into this mess.

5 Gene Smith

Ahh Gene Smith: The most incompetent person with his position of power outside of Washington DC. Another **** up on his part. If anything good comes out of this maybe he loses his job.

Lets see how all this plays out .

 

[AWS1022]

Weren't they divorced in 2010?

I think it was in 2016.

 

[palmettolion]

As an OSU fan I responded to an earlier thread.

Well as the saying goes:" in for a penny in for a pound" So here goes:

So what do we have here?

1 A BSC lush who as already admitted that she did not press charges because she was she was afraid of ZS losing his job. Translation: Putting her alimony check ahead of both her and her children's safety. As soon as ZS is fired she hooks up( not literally I don't think anyway) with a reporter who has a long term ax to grind with Urban with the idea of using him to set up a much bigger payday with a lawsuit against OSU.

2 A reporter who apparently has a long term ax to grind with Urban going back to the days when Urban was in Florida and he was a CFB writer for the Tampa Tribune. He spends 3 days in Columbus and ONLY talks to Courtney Smith. Does not even attempt to talk to:

Urban Meyer
Shelly Meyer
Any of the other coaches wives
Gene Smith
Anybody at OSU for that matter
Zack Smith
Zack Smith's attorney

3 A media that is in a constant contest to see who can pile on the most and the fastest. If nothing else this board should be in agreement on that.

4 Urban Meyer: And this is a BIG IF: IF he did report to his superiors back in 2015 and can prove it( I can not imagine him not having proof after coming out with that statement yesterday afternoon) then his only sin is lying to the media. Trump lies to the media every day, Obama lied to the media almost daily for a year with" If you like your current health Plan you can keep it"
I have no idea why he lied to the media. I do not buy for a second the" I was unprepared" story. He HAD to know given the timing of the ZS firing right in the middle of B10 media days that it was going to come up. Pure speculation on my part says that he did not feel that it was the right forum to bring his wife and the other coaches's wives into this mess.

5 Gene Smith

Ahh Gene Smith: The most incompetent person with his position of power outside of Washington DC. Another **** up on his part. If anything good comes out of this maybe he loses his job.

Lets see how all this plays out .

1. Blame the victim, barely even bring up her abuser and don't talk about what he admitted to.

2. Discredit the reporter with vague claims of an axe to grind .

3. State something true, so your post isn't complete horses**t.

4. Absolve Urban and make excuses for his lies.

5. Try to tie the whole albatross to someone's neck that doesn't matter and won't hurt your football program and coach.

10/10 great PR work.

 

[BobPSU92]

One twit on the O-Zone says that the blood on her face "looks fake".

Another says that Urbie had no first hand knowledge, just "rumors and hearsay". And yet, rumors and hearsay were enough to crucify Paterno....

The only conclusion one can draw is that the following shirt must be produced in mass quantities:

URBAN KNEW​

 

[Chris92]

1 A BSC lush who as already admitted that she did not press charges because she was she was afraid of ZS losing his job.

Not pressing charges doesn't even matter, according to school policy 1.15. The Smiths are the text book example:

"Domestic Violence – Conduct that would meet the definition of a felony or misdemeanor crime of violence committed by the complainant’s current or former spouse or intimate partner, a person with whom the complainant shares a child in common, a person who is or has cohabitated with the complainant as a spouse or intimate partner, an individual similarly situated to a spouse under domestic or family violence law, or anyone else protected under the domestic or family violence law of the jurisdiction in which the offense occurred. An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy."

https://dps.osu.edu/sites/default/files/annual_security_fire_safety_report.pdf

 

[sdwcpa]

1. Blame the victim, barely even bring up her abuser and don't talk about what he admitted to.

2. Discredit the reporter with vague claims of an axe to grind .

3. State something true, so your post isn't complete horses**t.

4. Absolve Urban and make excuses for his lies.

5. Try to tie the whole albatross to someone's neck that doesn't matter and won't hurt your football program and coach.

10/10 great PR work.

Partially right on first comment. Zack Smith is a total POS. Oh and BTW he was a terrible WR coach to boot. Omission on my part. I stand by my comments of CS

Any comment on the fact that he didn't even attempt to get another side of the story from anybody else despite spending 3 days in Columbus before reporting it? That he had to post his scoop on Facebook because most editors would not print something like that without at least a "no comment" from anybody else involved? I do not know the details but there is apparently some legs to the bad blood between the 2 going back to the Florida days.

Third part ; We agree

Not absolving Urban; I said let see how this thing plays out. I was not making excuses. I clearly said that it was pure speculation on my part.

After what you guys went through with your own BOT for which even as an OSU fan I have total sympathy for I would think that you would at least have some sympathy for OSU fans having to deal with Gene Smith

 

[fastlax16]

As an OSU fan I responded to an earlier thread

4 Urban Meyer: And this is a BIG IF: IF he did report to his superiors back in 2015 and can prove it( I can not imagine him not having proof after coming out with that statement yesterday afternoon) then his only sin is lying to the media. Trump lies to the media every day, Obama lied to the media almost daily for a year with" If you like your current health Plan you can keep it"
I have no idea why he lied to the media. I do not buy for a second the" I was unprepared" story. He HAD to know given the timing of the ZS firing right in the middle of B10 media days that it was going to come up. Pure speculation on my part says that he did not feel that it was the right forum to bring his wife and the other coaches's wives into this mess.

Sorry no. It’s Urban’s damn football team and he’s the highest paid employee in the state. You’re telling me that if he told Gene Smith (or whoever) some variation of “Zach beats his wife” and he needed them to make it obvious/tell him he should have fired him? Give me a break. Paterno reported what he heard (which was far less than Urban apparently knew) to Tim Curley as required and was pilloried for not living up to his moral obligations. Zach Smith wasn’t fired in 2015 (or 2016/2016/half of 2018) and Urban failed miserably regardless of if he called/texted/whispered in Gene Smith’s ear about it.

Employing someone you know beats his wife (for nearly a decade) isn’t a sin for Ohio State football but lying to the media is. Just give it up dude.

 

[Judge Smails]

 

[palmettolion]

Partially right on first comment. Zack Smith is a total POS. Oh and BTW he was a terrible WR coach to boot. Omission on my part. I stand by my comments of CS

Any comment on the fact that he didn't even attempt to get another side of the story from anybody else despite spending 3 days in Columbus before reporting it? That he had to post his scoop on Facebook because most editors would not print something like that without at least a "no comment" from anybody else involved? I do not know the details but there is apparently some legs to the bad blood between the 2 going back to the Florida days.

Third part ; We agree

Not absolving Urban; I said let see how this thing plays out. I was not making excuses. I clearly said that it was pure speculation on my part.

After what you guys went through with your own BOT for which even as an OSU fan I have total sympathy for I would think that you would at least have some sympathy for OSU fans having to deal with Gene Smith

1 and 2.

If the reporter has verified texts between them, he has comments from Zach Smith and Mrs. Meyer. Why would he attempt to get anything more from anyone at OSU when he knows they're going to lie, like Urban already did? That's like saying Freeh didn't bother to interview Sandusky. What does him being a terrible WR coach have to do with anything? His grandfather is Urbs kingmaker, perhaps that's why he was kept around?

4. You may not be completely absolving him, but you're attempting to minimize the importance of his lies. Trying to make it ok.

5. Our AD took Paterno's report and went to the head of TSM for them to investigate. I think it wasn't enough. It also still resulted in JVP getting crucified for not doing more. Why should Urban get a free pass for the same exact actions? How do you explain away Urban sending his guys to talk her out of 2009?

 

[Lion Lineage]

As an OSU fan I responded to an earlier thread.

Well as the saying goes:" in for a penny in for a pound" So here goes:

So what do we have here?

1 A BSC lush who as already admitted that she did not press charges because she was she was afraid of ZS losing his job. Translation: Putting her alimony check ahead of both her and her children's safety. As soon as ZS is fired she hooks up( not literally I don't think anyway) with a reporter who has a long term ax to grind with Urban with the idea of using him to set up a much bigger payday with a lawsuit against OSU.

2 A reporter who apparently has a long term ax to grind with Urban going back to the days when Urban was in Florida and he was a CFB writer for the Tampa Tribune. He spends 3 days in Columbus and ONLY talks to Courtney Smith. Does not even attempt to talk to:

Urban Meyer
Shelly Meyer
Any of the other coaches wives
Gene Smith
Anybody at OSU for that matter
Zack Smith
Zack Smith's attorney

3 A media that is in a constant contest to see who can pile on the most and the fastest. If nothing else this board should be in agreement on that.

4 Urban Meyer: And this is a BIG IF: IF he did report to his superiors back in 2015 and can prove it( I can not imagine him not having proof after coming out with that statement yesterday afternoon) then his only sin is lying to the media. Trump lies to the media every day, Obama lied to the media almost daily for a year with" If you like your current health Plan you can keep it"
I have no idea why he lied to the media. I do not buy for a second the" I was unprepared" story. He HAD to know given the timing of the ZS firing right in the middle of B10 media days that it was going to come up. Pure speculation on my part says that he did not feel that it was the right forum to bring his wife and the other coaches's wives into this mess.

5 Gene Smith

Ahh Gene Smith: The most incompetent person with his position of power outside of Washington DC. Another **** up on his part. If anything good comes out of this maybe he loses his job.

Lets see how all this plays out .

1. A lot of abused women do not press charges. The psychology of abuse is complicated and I don’t claim to be an expert. Regardless of her reasons for not pressing charges on Zach, if she was abused she was abused. Her motivations for speaking to the media are immaterial.

2. I don’t understand this line of logic. The reporter may have an axe to grind with Meyer, so what? If what he is reporting is true, it’s true irrespective of his opinions on Meyer. People constantly think that if they can find a less that pure motive by an accuser then the accusations must be false or trumped up. Never understood that logic.

3. That’s how the media works. Again it has nothing to do with whether the accusations are true, when Meyer knew, and whether he did enough knowing that an employee of his was a serial domestic abuser.

4. He reported to his superiors and stepped back - allowing people who were better equipped to handle such things make the decisions. Sounds eerily familiar. This line of thinking didn’t help Joe in the eyes of the media and it’s not going to help Meyer.

5. Don’t see the relevance to what’s going on. Did Gene Smith veto Zach’s firing after Meyer recommended he be fired? What people are saying is that Meyer should have moved to fire Zach knowing he was beating his wife and that his reporting it and stepping away from the situation is a moral failing on his part. Sound familiar? Get used to it. The narrative has been written. It’s over.

 

[junior1]

all the debates fall into the category "what you see depends upon where you sit". Sitting in Columbus made it easy to see that Paterno should have done more....but Meyer did what he was supposed to.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

 

[AWS1022]

1. A lot of abused women do not press charges. The psychology of abuse is complicated and I don’t claim to be an expert. Regardless of her reasons for not pressing charges on Zach, if she was abused she was abused. Her motivations for speaking to the media are immaterial.

2. I don’t understand this line of logic. The reporter may have an axe to grind with Meyer, so what? If what he is reporting is true, it’s true irrespective of his opinions on Meyer. People constantly think that if they can find a less that pure motive by an accuser then the accusations must be false or trumped up. Never understood that logic.

3. That’s how the media works. Again it has nothing to do with whether the accusations are true, when Meyer knew, and whether he did enough knowing that an employee of his was a serial domestic abuser.

4. He reported to his superiors and stepped back - allowing people who were better equipped to handle such things make the decisions. Sounds eerily familiar. This line of thinking didn’t help Joe in the eyes of the media and it’s not going to help Meyer.

5. Don’t see the relevance to what’s going on. Did Gene Smith veto Zach’s firing after Meyer recommended he be fired? What people are saying is that Meyer should have moved to fire Zach knowing he was beating his wife and that his reporting it and stepping away from the situation is a moral failing on his part. Sound familiar? Get used to it. The narrative has been written. It’s over.

And Paterno couldn’t fire Sandusky because he didn’t work there anymore. Smith still worked for Urban even after he supposedly reported it. Imagine how bad it would have been for Joe if Sandusky was still on the staff in 01 and Joe let him stay.