Or was not informed of the nature of the '98 issue (which was ultimately deemed "unfounded").
Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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Absolutely the defense will bring up the guilty pleas. Maybe I am reading too much into this but Curley's comment that he plead guilty because "we should have done more" is an interesting choice of words. Failing to do more is not a crime in and of itself. It strikes me as a statement made by someone who weighed the risks and made a calculated decision to plead more so than a person who believes they committed a criminal act. And, in turn, it makes me wonder how vigorous he desires to be in testifying against Spanier. I believe Shultz was quoted somewhere as making a very similar comment.
Could you imagine if Tim did keep that from Joe and he found out...he would have been pissed and rightfully so. Tim had to let him know to be honest as it would have been idiotic not to.
Two questions. Wasn't it common knowledge that joe didn't read email? Why is TC calling Joe "coach". No one in Athletics called him coach. Even players called him Joe and not coach.
Pretty good article...
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Curley did confirm that an original plan -- after a 2001 shower incident involving Sandusky and a boy, witnessed by assistant coach Mike McQueary -- had included notifying the Department of Public Welfare, but that plan was changed later at Curley's suggestion.<<
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime/article140091753.html
Doesn't matter any more. You have Curley testifying under oath that he told Joe in 1998.
That's game, set, and match for almost all non-PSU folks--and many PSU folks. Like it or not--even true or not. Game's over folks. Because you cannot prove a negative.
I still tend to believe Joe. But few will.
I don't think it was addressed to Joe IIRC, could be wrong there? TC is now on the record saying Joe did know and along with the email chain kind of puts the whole he didn't know anything at all to bed.
I don't think it is fair for this trial to bring Joe into it when he can't defend himself. I don't see them calling his secretary to the stand like with the others. Of course, why would they be going down that road anyway? Will Spanier revert to the "Joe was the most powerful person at PSU" defense?
Don't want to nit pick here but perhaps JVP was one of the dwindling number of people in America who actually believe in our system of justice. So, he knew of the 98 investigation, he knew no charges were brought, so when asked if he was aware of or heard rumors of possible abuse his answer was no. Why would he say no? Because he knew the investigation did not lead to charges and under our system of justice that means there was no crime and no abuse. Why would he say otherwise?
Only thing I will add is no cover up occurred m, however, it should have been handled better. It's a tragedy, joe will be skewered again and now it is time to move on!!!
McQueary referred to Joe as "coach" on multiple occasions just yesterday.
Because it was about 9 years later and I think he knew something bad had occurred by the time he was set to testify. Just a guess there, but he wasn't a dumb man at all. I don't think he had an open look into the investigation at all...it was more of one is ongoing and we'll let you know the outcome. That seems most likely, but the witch hunt occurred because of the previous knowledge. The problem comes with the denial and the emails refuting that and now the person who wrote those emails confirming it was more. I have a feeling soon you will be reading how TC is a lying POS from a few. JZ will be leading that charge and Reynolds Wrap will get another boost in the market.
Of course he does... now. Gotta complete the illusion.
We already knew the plan changed due to Curley's suggestion. The original plan was between Schultz, Curley and Spanier, but it changed AFTER Curley's discussion with Paterno. I haven't seen the precise testimony; however, based on that quote, that is not new information.
At this point it seems like a fair question to ask, has there been any evidence presented at all that implicates Spanier? If there has been, I have missed it. I understand Shultz is coming up and he is potentially the star witness. But right now the state's case appears to be "Curley and Shultz admitted they should have done more and they plead guilty. This means Spanier too should have done more and since he won't plead we need a jury to punish him." Has anyone else heard anything that a jury could point to as evidence against Spanier?
So 6 years ago they (BOT) lynched Joe, 5 years ago they (Freeh) found him guilty, and today they (OAG) are trying him in a court of law where he cannot defend any of the few of statements that are being twisted/interpreted. Pa executive/legislative/judicial/media systems at work!
I'll not say that. But if what he's now saying is true, TC should get the maximum sentence. This appears to be more than a mistake.
It is what it is now. The nightmare is real. I don't need to hear any more virtues about two admins. They're still going after the dead guy. Today is all about Joe. The fact is, at least 2 people passed the buck, and didn't do their job. Others are getting off free which isn't right, but Joe and the victims are the ones that paid the price.
More "Curley and Shultz admitted they should have done more and they plead guilty. That means Penn State is guilty. They told the most powerful man in the state (Joe) so he is guilty. Thus Spanier as president of the university must be guilty."
Guilty by association. That's what they are going for.
Well, one way or the other that has been proven. Just when he was lying is the question. Some will say to the GJ, others will say now. I can see both sides of that. Either way, I'm pretty tired of the whole thing and glad it's coming to an end. You and I haven't always agreed, but you've added some cogent and largely unbiased points throughout.
I'll repeat again. I don't think the plan changed at all. It's clear from Schultz's notes that the plan that he and Curley concocted after talking to Paterno always had reporting to Child Welfare Services as an OPTION. It was never a definitive. What they did was choose to exercise that option - that's not the same thing as changing the plan.
The only folks "making it about JVP" are the folks who make EVERYTHING about JVP.
I get that, but they basically choked IMO and had a sh!tburger thrown at them because of one nut job's craziness. Mistakes were made all over the place and at every level. The witch hunt against PSU was wrong just as not looking at TSM was wrong. There was MORE than enough blame to go around, but at the end of the day you had a master serial pedophile who had basically groomed an entire state or at least a region. He fooled state employees, co-workers, cops, DOC's...and this list goes on and on. It then turned into a snowball running down hill and people freaked out. The media freaked out as did the BoT due to the media and it was a perfect storm of how things should not be handled at pretty much every level. I'm done thinking they were unaware,,,,they were and were fine with it when it went away initially. When it came back, they freaked out and made it much worse. Like I've said all along...one man is really responsible for this and he is in prison...but he ruined so many lives along the way.
Which is most everyone in America, unfortunately.The only folks "making it about JVP" are the folks who make EVERYTHING about JVP.
Exactly. Remember that when you vote.
Betting Spanier's attorneys do the same--go after the dead guy.
There is NOTHING of substance different on TC's testimony today vs testimony to the GJ
Much the same as the 5 year C-J of parsing every word from MM........
Good Lord, let's hope we don't "go there" again w TC's words
The only folks "making it about JVP" are the folks who make EVERYTHING about JVP.
There is A LOT of truth to that statement (inside and outside the PSU community).
Except that it's never going to come to an end. Any Penn Stater will be tarred with this for the rest of their lives. Ask any German.
Joe and his heirs are the true victims along with our alumni, profs, football team, fans, townies and whatnot
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